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Published: Friday, Sept. 14 2012 9:51 a.m. MDT

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eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

I'm just not sure what is the point of independence. Did we get out of the MWC just to be free of their ridiculous TV network, or are we thinking strategically about what markets we want to play and recruit in? With more conferences going to a 9 game schedule, it will get even harder to schedule interesting games outside of September and early October. Do we really want to be playing every team in Utah, Idaho and Nevada for half of our schedule every year?

You fans in California, tell us what it was like watching BYU's basketball team in a gymnasium this past season?

If we're waiting until the dust settles on conference re-alignment, that's silly...it could be years before it is finished. If you want to recruit the best players and make money off of BCS bowls, you have to be in a BCS conference. I don't get all this talk about being comfortable with the current arrangement.

Oh, yes, and BEAT UTAH!!!

caleb in new york
Glen Cove, NY

if Notre Dame is playing ACC teams in October or November each year, that means there is going to be a different "off" ACC team during those weeks because there will be an even amount (14) of teams in the ACC conference. Adding Notre Dame to that makes 15. It won't always be easy for BYU but I don't think Notre Dame's change this week makes a big difference for BYU's independence. It will be tough to get great teams to come to LES but there will be ways and the 2013 schedule is equal to or superior than any schedule BYU had whenever it was part of the MWC or the WAC.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

@ eastcoastcoug

Why hit the panic button? The BCS is folding and what good is it to be a bottom-feeder in a BCS conference? Look at the Big East and tell me that's a conference that matters. Why would one want to be in the BIG 12 or BIG 10 or PAC 12 if they were relegated to the bottom of the pile every year just becuase it's a "BCS" Conference? The SEC is the only league that can crow about their conference schools year-in-and-year out and it's all based on performance. Notre Dame has sadly been deficienct in football victories for some time now. Every good program will ebb and flow (remember Crowton?) but an independent can do all right for themselves should they continue to win. And ND is still independent in football.....

TJ
Eagle Mountain, UT

BYU wants exposure for their entire school, athletics and the LDS church. They get this by playing teams from all around the country and by having all their games on National Television.

They want to keep the television rights as much as possible and they won't play on Sunday. They could have given in on the first one and had a good chance of getting into the BIG 12 last year but decided to wait and see for a year or 2 or even 3 before sacrificing all or most of their tv rights.
I like that they are holding their ground. I would like BYU to end up in a good conference in the next few years but don't want them to give up the exposure and tv rights.

Maybe they can align with a conference similar to what ND did and have several football games contracted each year, maybe not. I am not too anxious to jump to a conference unless BYU gets to keep some of what it has earned.

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

eastcoastcoug

This is what you'd have to look forward to if BYU had stayed in the MWC:

"The Mountain West moves into a new era and television structure in 2012, with a new agreement with CBS Sports Network, to increase national exposure for the conference's football programs. CBS Sports Network, the Conference's rights holder, will sub-license games to NBC Sports Network and ESPN.

CBS Sports Network is scheduled to air eight games from the MW package and the CBS Television Network will broadcast the Navy at Air Force game on Saturday, Oct. 6 beginning at 9:30 a.m. MT. NBC Sports Network will televise 10 contests. ESPN or ESPN2 will telecast four games.

The MWC’s television deal will pay the league $8 million this season, which is $1 million per team."

It's not all about the money, but the money is a factor, and BYU makes more money from ONE GAME, than MWC schools are getting for the ENTIRE YEAR!

Plus no replays on ESPN/BYUtv, and no guarantee that EVERY BYU home game will be televised.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Just a reminder of what the MTN was like.

Early in the basketball season in BYU's final year in the MWC, Fresno State visited BYU. It was an intriguing matchup with Dave Rose's mentor, Steve Cleveland, returning to coach against his former team.

Did the MTN televise the game? NO
Did the MTN allow BYUtv to televise the game? NO
Did anybody televise the game? NO

Instead of televising a live basketball game, the clueless managers of the MTN chose to broadcast RE-RUNS of a sport statistics show and a roundtable discussion of the upcoming basketball season.

During the height of Jimmermania, BYU played ONE nationally televised game during the entire regular conference season.

Playing nationally televised games in small gyms is infinitely better than playing untelevised games in any size gym.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

Amen to the comments about the Mtn. A couple years ago when the MWC BBall finals were being played the Mtn didn't secure broadcast rights so the games were not shown. What was? An AFA intra-squad boxing match!

Just last week Texas was allowed to keep the Longhorn Network in the Big 12 TV deal. One of these days teams will figure out that if they play BYU they get coverage globally, not just in a region of the USA.

Gymns vs. arenas makes zero difference who gets invited to the big dance in March; it's who wins and plays quality BBall.

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

I never said I wanted BYU to stay in the obscure MWC. But playing Idaho State, Nevada Reno and Weber State is not going to get us anywhere either. News flash to some of you in Utah Valley: The BCS may be morphing but these powerful big money schools are not going away either. If our mission is to play a few big names every year but never go to a BCS bowl, just let me know. I suppose there will always be a bunch of fans just happy for BYU to field a team and sell fan gear. Shame on those of you who think our guys cannot compete with the best out there. I think we can do a lot better.

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

@PhantomBlade,

I never said I wanted BYU to stay in the MWC. Here's what you'd have to look forward to if BYU played in the BIG 12 or BIG East:

Our team would play in front of crowds every game over 50k. 100k in the case of Texas. We would be in the paper and on evening sports in places like New York City or Austin. We would build up rivalries and recruit more from places where they play real football (as opposed to Ogden or Reno). Dream a little bigger, my friends. Why do you not think our boys could play in the big leagues (or is that only for the U of U)?

We haven't played in the NYC market since 1985. I know they love the Giants here but they do talk about Rutgers, Army, and a few other teams. It's better to be in the paper than ignored out in the Mtn. time zone.

The bigger problem anyway is not our schedule. It's winning games and earning our way to the top. LIke TCU, Boise St. and Utah have done each two times.

utahcountyute
Cedar Hills, UT

Toosmart

So what you are saying is it is better to stay independent, play the idahos, webers and nmsus of the world, get your 8 or 9 wins, play in a no name bowl and call it good? Sounds about right.

There and I thought you were saying that byU would dominate the Big 12 or 10 from the get go and never be a "bottom feeder"?

Oh well, leave the big boy football to the Utes I guess.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

How many times do Idaho State, Nevada Reno and Weber State appear on any BYU schedule after this year?

Those who see Independence a locking BYU into playing Idaho State, Nevada Reno and Weber State every year are either throwing out hyperbole, or haven't been paying any attention to BYU's schedule after 2012.

Kenster72
Fresno, CA

yup Texas, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Utah, Georgia Tech, Wash. St, Boise St, Hawaii, Houston, Utah St, look a lot like NMSU, Idaho st and Weber st.

RSLJAZZBYUUTAH
Syracuse, UT

@eastcoastcoug
Actually BYU played Syracuse University in 2000, then played Boston College 2006, so they have been in the east coast in the last 12 years in football, and they have been up there a lot in basketball.

utahcountyute
Cedar Hills, UT

teanymous and kenster

Interesting, I still see 6 slots (the Utah game has not been added either) in byu's schedule for next year. Plenty of room to fit Idaho, Idaho state and maybe SUU for home coming.

Of course, you can count on ND pulling out after next year as well with the new demands from the ACC coming in 2014.

Keep the dream alive.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

utahcountyute

"Interesting, I still see 6 slots (the Utah game has not been added either) in byu's schedule for next year."

Only a jealous, BYU-hating Utah fan would be so blind as to look at the following schedule and see "6 slots" available - Texas, Boise State, Georgia Tech, @Houston, @Wisconsin, @Notre Dame, @Hawaii, @Utah State, and Utah. The only thing "not scheduled" about Utah is the date. Regardless of which opponents fill the last 3 slots, that's as formidable a schedule as ANYTHING Utah will ever face in the PAC 12.

It's laughable how envious our friends to north are of the success BYU is already having as an Independent. The fact that you have to resort to hyperbole to downplay a schedule like that, proves just how desperate you've become.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Uteanymous

Only a jealous, BYU-hating Utah fan would be so blind as to look at the following schedule and see "6 slots" available - Texas, Boise State, Georgia Tech, @Houston, @Wisconsin, @Notre Dame, @Hawaii, @Utah State, and Utah. The only thing "not scheduled" about Utah is the date. Regardless of which opponents fill the last 3 slots, that's as formidable a schedule as ANYTHING Utah will ever face in the PAC 12.

It's laughable how envious our friends to north are of the success BYU is already having as an Independent. The fact that you have to resort to hyperbole to downplay a schedule like that, proves just how desperate you've become.

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It's laughable how residents of planet Provo think they are having success as an independent.
Another delusional BYU fan.Yeah being independent is so great that Idaho and New Mexico St decided to join!
If independence is so great why is Notre Dame making a move away from it?
If independence is so great, why did BYU entertain the thought of a Big East or big 12 invitation?

We keep hearing about the great scheduling in upcoming years for BYU. Got new for you. Contracts can be broken

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Give it up BYU fans. You are not Texas. They run the Big 12 and can do whatever they want. Just because they kept their TV deal does not mean they will let you if asked to join their conference.

Mount Olympus
Salt Lake, UT

If it is exposure BYU wants, why is the athletic director turning down interviews with a national newspaper?

Is Tom Holmoe embarrassed of being independent?
Not sure why turn down interview, wouldn't that give you more exposure?

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