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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 12 2012 5:17 p.m. MDT

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Phred
Ogden, UT

Electric utilities are required to keep 10 percent of the total generating capacity be kept in reserve, called “spinning capacity”. A fossil fuel generator to coming up from a cold start can take a couple of days to get up to the speed necessary to begin feeding power. Idling generators can instantly be brought on line to fill the demand when there is a failure at the power plant. It is similar to leaving your car running in the driveway just in case you need to go somewhere. It’s expensive but necessary.

As we convert from using very reliable hydro or thermal fuel sources for generation to wind and solar, it is important to recognize that they only produce periodically. We will have to keep a much larger portion of thermal and hydro generators “idling in the driveway” for those times when the wind don’t blow and the sun don’t shine.

When you do the math to determine if there is any profit left over from nationalizing utilities, be sure to include the cost of idling generators that serve as the backup to these green sources.

Remery
El Centro, CA

Not as many when people are told the truth. For example commercial size solar photo voltaic is marketed as creating hundreds of jobs and to the homeowner as little or no maintenance.

There isn't a need for this high price electricity. The California Energy Commission reported to the California Public Utility Commission last Jan. the sate has 30% excess electricity.

Solar and wind produce electricity and less than 1% of the electricity in the Us is produced from oil and doesn't do anything to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

The average individual carbon footprint in the world is 4 tons/year (US is 20 tons). we can't build enough renewable energy facilities or have the electrical demand to keep up with population growth.

Spoc
Ogden, UT

Typical life expectancy for a photo voltaic panel is 30 years.
Even large scale installations of silicon panel collectors have payback periods of 120 to 170 years.

There will never be any profit generated, especially if backup generation capacity is included in the cost / benefit analysis.

chilly
Salt Lake City, UT

I would like to see the questions and methodology used in this poll. I would also be interested to know why the Wilderness Society is pushing forms of energy that use and alter large tracts of natural habitat in addition to erecting windmills which are known to kill large numbers of birds and bats.

1Observer
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Curious the poll doesn't mention the cost of developing the renewable energy and the impact it would have on utility bills. Absent the economic data of the renewable energy projects noted in the poll, any opinions would be largely sentimental and not based on hard facts. Any honest discussion of renewable energy should include the fiscal dynamics absent any government subsidies that artificially deflate costs.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Interesting to read the nay-sayers comments about renewable energy...

None of them offered even ONE alternative.

FYI - Coal is a finite reource. ie.e, there will be even LESS of it tomorrow than there is today...do the math.

Curt Conklin
Provo, UT

Phred, other oil lovers who have posted:

Is your comment a half truth, or half lie? Placed in the right location, U.S. SouthWest . . . efficient solar energy plants, like the salt column plant in Spain can produce steam 24-7, and the technology will only get better. I used to live in Utah, still do 2 months out of the year. I now live in Australia, and in NSW, they've been able to close several extremely dirty brown-coal fired generation plants because of the tens of thousands of solar arrays purchased by homeowners. These consumer owned generation systems feed excess energy up the grid, reducing base-load demands, and during peak times, . . . summer afternoons . . . they are reducing peak load demands by being able to run air conditioners on-site. Australia and Europe are far, far ahead of the U.S. in alternative energy generation. Sure, there has been significant government involvement, in the way of incentives, up-grid payments, subsidies, etc., but what do you thing we are doing for the oil companies who get subsidies and pay no taxes, like Exxon-Mobil and Texaco? Alernative energy is the BEST homeland security!

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