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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 12 2012 4:03 p.m. MDT

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Chris from Rose Park
Hartford, CT

Thank you Utah schools (college and high school) for giving me the opportunity to fulfill my dreams.

ManInTheMiddle
SANDY, UT

It still amazes me that we Utahans continue to have a HUGE misperception about the bad quality of our schools. From K through grad school one must look outside UT if they seek an education that is even average among industrialized countries. This means that the average education offered in the state is WAY below average globally.

It's a complete shame that our "leaders" continue to neglect our schools. Our schools aren't good enough - period. This report once again proves it (but again we'll consider ourselves "good enough nationally" so why should we bother)

First step? Fire the worst 10% of teachers and 20% of administrators across the board. Then let's worry about step 2.

very concerned
Sandy, UT

@ ManInTheMiddle

"HUGE misperception . . . . complete shame. . . . (we) neglect our schools . . . fire 10% or teachers . . . ????"

Wow. harsh words. Among other factors, given the demographics of Utah, I would propose that our teachers do a heroic job. They are paid less than in many other states. They get miniscule raises, are subject to ever-more unreasonable goals/expectations (i.e. No Child Left Behind), and spend countless hours of their own time (and money) preparing for classes. One only needs to spend significant time with them to see the dedication most teachers have.

Given the extreme nature of most of your comments, I would question who has the skewed view. What about the parents? Where is their responsibility? We find it convenient to blame the teachers, but with the breakdown of the family, students and their education are invariably – and increasingly - affected by factors outside the teachers' control.

ManInTheMiddle
SANDY, UT

very concerned - I fail to see how you come to your conclusions about my post.

UT certainly has some of the best teachers in the world. They are certainly underpaid (especially the top 50% of teachers).

But you can't possibly believe that the bottom 10% of teachers are worth keeping. Ask teachers in the top 25% of their trade and they will quickly point out that many of their peers simply are not good at their jobs and that these teachers should be fired.

Good teachers know who the bad teachers are. Good teachers have to work harder because of these bad teachers. And most importantly, kids suffer because of bad teachers. We should fire 10% of them tomorrow, then regroup and figure out how may more we need to fire.

Too many of our kids fail because we've hired the wrong people to teach them.

FastKB
Bountiful, UT

Besides BYU, none of the Utah schools even ranked in the top 100 nationally. That doesn't seem very good.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

It was something of a jolt to see $14,000 dollars as being in the rock bottom category for debt. I don't know how anyone makes it through school these days.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

The BOE is the most mismanaged company in the state..... There is plenty of money.........the UEA is the problem......they lobby to keep the lousy teachers!

nwcoug
White Salmon, WA

But Utah is tied at 125 with the academic powerhouse of Washington State in Pullman. The Pac-12 puts academics first...yeah right.

MissouriCoug
West Jordan, UT

*gasp!* Has the Pac-12 seen this?!?

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@MissouriCoug

I would suggest that BYU call the PAC-12 and let them know, but the PAC-12 doesn't answer phone calls from non-accredited universities.

I love the hubris from BYU fans every September when the US News college rankings are released since it's the only major ranking publication (out of about 25) that ranks BYU higher than the U.

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