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Published: Friday, Sept. 7 2012 5:57 p.m. MDT

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Gildas
LOGAN, UT

I can see why some of the unemployed who have become cynical, or perhaps more realistic, about their chances for work MIGHT in some instances have "stopped looking". What is not clear to me is how the Utah Department of Work Services are so omniscient in this. How exactly does the Department know how many people have stopped looking for work. I did not see this explained in this or similar articles that I have read on the subject.

Surely we have not reached such an Orwellian state of government control and surveillance that such complete and certain knowledge is available to anyone. It seems to me that the most the government could know is how many individuals are seeking work through a government department. When I was out of work I could find nothing through "Job Services" but did find work through other, non-governmental, channels.

DVD
Taylorsville, 00

The comment about businesses needing to focus on more sustainable job creation is kind of missing what the CEO and senior levels of business are thinking about day-to-day. You're not going to convince each drop of water that they bear any responsibility for the flood. Each business is mostly focused on its own business.

We have, in the past, charged government with helping to regulate business practices. We've also had the rise (and fall) of labor unions that helped change the regulation landscape so that we could have things like minimum wage, overtime, and other civilizing regulations so that life as a 99%-er isn't so brutal and dependant on the whims of 'the bosses'. We don't want total restriction by government, but a total lack of control does not serve the general welfare either.

SLars
Provo, UT

And we have at least that many here illegally. It's time to stop playing around. America's poor need those jobs more than foreign citizens.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Some of the no-job seekers are undoubtedly basking in the relaxation of 99 weeks of unemployment pay for doing nothing. (Good work if you can get it!)

Others are undoubtedly living in their parents' basement staring at their fading Obama posters sulking that their degree in gender studies or African literature has not landed a suitably high paying job for their inflated sense of self worth. Job or education skills are only valuable if someone wants to pay for them.

The goal of business is NOT to create jobs, but to create PROFITS. The Deseret News cut much of the reporting staff, so they obviously reject job creation as their mission, especially when you cannot hand out pay checks unless you make a profit..or at least cover expenses. Only the government can ignore this basic business law with impunity.

The key to job growth in Utah is a continued pro-business climate, reduction of excessive regulations, low taxes, and reining lawsuit abuses. Jobs would also be better if we enforced our immigration laws and ended the underground economy that illegal immigration creates.

SLars
Provo, UT

There is no 99 weeks anymore. Utah is 40 weeks max. Other states receive extended benefits determined by unemployment rates. Above 9% is 47. That's 73 max in just a few states, like California.

One problem we have is business who want to use "guest workers" in fields like IT. Where many late 40-50 year old get paid more that cheap labor from India. It may help business, but it's not helping the country now and in the future.

Business needs to fill it's needs with American citizens, and stop putting them on welfare by hiring cheap labor. In-sourcing hurts more than outsourcing. Many times the American taxpayer is on the hook for schooling, welfare, and medical care.

BoomerJeff
Saint George, UT

The state requires businesses to turn in quarterly reports with each employed persons name, social security number, and gross amount earned that quarter. So dws has the info they need to make claims like this. I believe them. I agree with SLars, if we stopped illegal immigration, the 130,000 people out of work could be employed immediately. . Most of us older folks started out in such jobs as teenagers: service stations, grocery stores, hamburger stands, janitors, farmhands, etc. I remember in the 70s a lot of people who lost their jobs during the recession paid their mortgages by doing such jobs until the economy improved.

SLC gal
Salt Lake City, UT

To me the fact that people have STOPPED looking is scarier then not the unemployment rate. To stop looking indicates lack of hope. That's when things start to get bad.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I see some guess what happened to these people... but I have yet really seen a good solid report of where these people went. I get the 99 week vacation some make it out to be, but this issues has been going on since 2008 - far longer than 99 weeks.

So these people haven't just disappeared. Their need to pay bills hasn't gone away. They haven't stopped eating or needing shelter. So where did they go.

Are these two income households that have become one.

Are these retirees that were working and now are not.

They simply didn't just stop needing money... so a study on what options these people really took beyond the sometime oversimplified sound bites would be really interesting. There are not over 100,000 Utah families basking in the windfall of 99 weeks of living on $300 a week. People don't just stop looking... there is more to this.

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