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News analysis: Oba-meh: Observers left and right underwhelmed in Charlotte by President Obama's speech


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  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    "My Elderly parents are getting $200 less per month each in social security then they did just 1 year ago and their cost for medicare has risen,"

    county mom, you really might want to recheck what you are claiming here. There has been no decrease in social security payments, if there had been you better believe it would have been news. Of course just to be sure I called my mother. She assures me that there has not been any decrease in her SS check. I also asked about my grandmothers check, that my mother helps her with, and, nope, no decrease there either. There is a reason people are telling you that your claim is inaccurate. 

    I also have heard nothing about Medicare costs increasing. Care to expand on exactly what costs? 

    As far as your business costs increasing due to new regulations: what would those regulations be? Also what taxes increased on your business? I don't think it was federal. I would imagine it must be a local tax increase. You do know the difference don't you? 

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 6:04 p.m.

    I have over the past few months been told that what is actually happening in my family with our business and the care of my Elderly parents, is false by liberal DN readers and those posting on several different articles.
    I will again tell you. This is the worst President that we have had in my lifetime.
    Our cost of living has risen, from $1.89 to $3.98 a gallon for milk just in the past year. Our income has dropped to one third what it was 4 years ago.
    In our business we are currently paying 30% of our gross income in taxes. Our taxes have risen, our cost to do business has risen thanks to greater regulation.
    My Elderly parents are getting $200 less per month each in social security then they did just 1 year ago and their cost for medicare has risen, along with a drop in coverage. These are the very personal effects of this administrations actions on my family.
    It is 4 years since Bush has left office, and the only changes we have seen are things are getting worse.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 11:19 a.m.


    and still more

    n Kenya, D'Souza interviews Philip Ochieng, a lifelong friend of the president's father, who claims the elder Obama was "totally anti-colonial." Ochieng also discloses some of his own political views, complaining about U.S. policy in Afghanistan and Iraq and saying the U.S. refuses to "tame" Israel, which he calls a "Trojan horse in the Middle East." D'Souza seems to suggest that if a onetime friend of Obama's late father holds those opinions, so, too, must the president himself.

    The assertion that Obama's presidency is an expression of his father's political beliefs, which D'Souza first made in 2010 in his book "The Roots of Obama's Rage," is almost entirely subjective and a logical stretch at best.

    D'Souza interviews a NYU psychologist who Postulates about Obama’s motivations without having ever actually meeting Obama yet alone assessing him.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 11:17 a.m.



    D'Souza says Obama removed a bust of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill from the Oval Office because Churchill represented British colonialism. White House curator William Allman said the bust, which had been on loan, was already scheduled to be returned before Obama took office. Another bust of Churchill is on display in the president's private residence, the White House says.

    In Hawaii, D'Souza asserts with no evidence that Obama sympathized with native Hawaiians who felt they had been marginalized by the American government when Hawaii was becoming a state. D'Souza also asserts – again with no evidence – that Obama had been coached to hold those views at Punahou, the prestigious prep school he attended.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 11:15 a.m.


    D'suza film is nothing more then pure political propaganda/ My "non-emotional support for such a claim you ask?

    'D'Souza says Obama is "weirdly sympathetic to Muslim jihadists" in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He does not mention that Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden and the drone strikes that have killed dozens of other terrorists in the region.
    D'Souza wrongly claims that Obama wants to return control of the Falkland Islands from Britain to Argentina. The U.S. refused in April to endorse a final declaration on Argentina's claim to the islands at the Summit of the Americas, provoking criticism from other Latin American nations.
    D'Souza says Obama has "done nothing" to impede Iran's nuclear ambitions, despite the severe trade and economic sanctions his administration has imposed on that country to halt its suspected nuclear program. Obama opposes a near-term military strike on Iran, either by the U.S. or Israel, although he says the U.S. will never tolerate a nuclear-armed Iran.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 10:08 a.m.

    Einstein said you can't fix a problem with the same mind that created it. Big government perpetrated America's problems, and Bush, clinton, obama, congress, and the ignorant voting class have only exasperated the problems by growing an ever-increasing parasitic federal government. Romney will eliminate a lot of the current wasteful, federal fat, including the departments of education, EPA, the ACA, and place more of the decision making back to the States, where it rightfully belongs. Romney may not be perfect, but he will help solve some of America's problems by downsizing the fed.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 9, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    Everything is George Bushes fault and Obama has turned things around. Voting for Romney would bring back those old Bush policies which got us into this mess. Voting for Obama is a move forward.

    A fool is someone who believes a lie. Kick me once and shame on you. Kick me twice and shame on me.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    The movie referenced in an earlier post by patriot is a complete waste of time and money. A staunch Republican friend of mine fell asleep in it because it was so boring and was laughing to me about its ridiculous far-fetched fear mongering premise. If you are curious about the movie, I encourage you to find and watch Bill Maher's discussion of it with its author Dinesh D'Souza, who by the way doesn't know, and has never even met, President Obama.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 12:01 a.m.

    After seeing the documentary 2016 - Obama's American I have a different take on things. I would highly encourage everyone - conservative and liberal to see it. It is excellent. As far as Obama's speech - I'm not surprised at all. Obama doesn't feel the need to repeat 2008 because he thinks American's are too gullible - too uninformed - and too lazy intellectually to NOT elect him in 2012. He may be right. Sadly he may be right. There are many great people in this country but there are also many people who are ripe for someone like Obama to overwhelm them. Sad but true.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 8, 2012 11:48 p.m.

    I would just say this - perhaps as a challenge to liberals. Go see "2016 Obama's America". It is playing at Cenemark theaters. The director is Dinesh D'Souza. If you people truly are "open minded" then go see the documentary. If you have seen it I would like to hear an "objective" opinion - not an emotional response. Tell me what you thought about the points brought forward in the film - especially the last 20 minutes when it talks about what 2016 will look like under 4 more years of Obama. Again - save your emotional response because I don't want to hear it. I do want to hear however your thoughts or your "objective and fact based" rebuttal or your agreement. I want to hear your thoughts about the national debt graphic especially. Set aside your partisan hats and just try to be open minded if you can. If you can't then don't bother.

    This film is something EVERYONE should see!!!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 8, 2012 9:12 p.m.

    Too bad Obama can't use the same determination in his speech, to fix the economy, lower taxes, bring down unemployment, or reduce the deficit.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 8, 2012 7:26 p.m.

    If Obama needs more time, and he's really trying to help our economy, then why:

    * give billions to the Muslim Brotherhood, and use the stimulus money to give billions to China, Japan, Australia, Finland, Mexico. And why hundreds of millions to Solyndra?
    * take millions of our money for vacations.
    * not deal with Canada for an oil pipeline?

    It's not what he says in a speech, but what he does.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 8, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    4 years ago the Republicans managed to have the economy in a free fall, the stock market crashing from 14,000 to 6,600, home prices in free fall, 800,000 plus jobs lost per month, 2 wars, a manufacturing industry on the verge of total collapse, and a banking system on its knees needing a global bailout... and a full blow global recession....

    Based on these credentials, they are proud to announce that really, this time they do have the answer. Not going to tell us other than it will be to lower the top marginal rate, get rid of all capital gains taxes (which represents 100% of Romney's income and will lower his personal marginal income tax rate to 0%), and reduce the the deduction we have on homes by 30% to pay for the capital gains cut.

    Romney's taxes go to 0. The average household looses 30% of the mortgage deduction.

    I wish there was a real honest plan out there. I do think Obama's plan has had marginal successs - success none-the-less but marginally so. We need a better plan, just not Romney's.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 8, 2012 4:51 p.m.

    It fits the MO. When backed into a corner, Obama votes "Present."

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 8, 2012 4:16 p.m.

    At least President Obama's speech was memorable and you are actually talking about his speech. All that came out of the RNC convention was an 80 year old man talking to a chair.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 8, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    It's just like the old metaphor about you and your fellow camper being chased by a bear. You don't need to be faster than the bear, only faster than your friend. Obama did not need to be perfect, or even great. He just needed to be better than Romney. And he was by all accounts.

    Obama got a significant bounce from his convention, Romney got zero bounce. The numbers don't lie. End of story.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 8, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    So people that you do not politically agree with don't deserve to live in a free society? do you see anything wrong with that logic?

  • peter Alpine, UT
    Sept. 8, 2012 10:13 a.m.

    I've never heard this guy speak with any kind of substance. He doesn't understand the fibers that make a free country and a free people. At the DNC, even his own are divided on basic issues that make America free and unique among world powers. The loony left who want to live off the labors of others don't belong in a free society. And they should never be given leadership roles in a free society.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    I still think if was interesting to see Mrs. President Obama sitting there ready to give VP Biden the cut it off sign almost in his lap. Again, Biden only said there were 2 tough decisions the President made, the auto industry bailout and Bin Laden. The President can't win without the unions such as the UAW and SEIU behind him.

    This administration twists everything, worse than Bill Clinton's timeframe. At least President Obama okayed the kill, not firing a couple of drones and then dropping the real hunt. President Clinto made it sound as if he did everything perfectly and is the only one that can and did. That was one way to say that this President isn't really doing it, without doing it.

    Less than two months will bring wrangling to the highest peak and pinnacle.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 9:40 p.m.

    its is a compilation of statements out of context to try to make a point not to report the news, I stick by my previous statement but thanks.

  • justme001 Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 8:46 p.m.


    You would think Mitt would have learned that on his first loss wouldn't you

  • firstamendment Lehi, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 6:06 p.m.

    I felt like most of the DNC was sort of a B rate movie, with some really good acting, but mostly poor acting and a lot of screaming, facts or no.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 5:18 p.m.

    Obama is in big trouble. Romney had an okay speech and that's all he really needed. Obama had an okay speech and he REALLY need something big. He has no plan. This country can't wait for him to have another try at it.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    The stock market has been going up like crazy. Why? Because investors have realized that everything is getting better and that Obama will be reelected (so we will be continuing in the right direction).

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 7, 2012 4:16 p.m.

    Obama’s approval rating climbed to 52 percent, his highest rating in many months, according to Gallup’s latest poll. The last three days of the Democratic National Convention gave him a 7 percent bump in approval over three days, with a 3 percent hike in just the past 24 hours. Mitt Romney received no bump in the polls from the RNC, dropping from 47 percent before the convention to 46 percent.

    Politico is fairly centrist, not obviously left or right.

  • Palintram Holladay, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 4:10 p.m.

    Once again the Des News fails the laugh test. Every article is a one-sided editorial. I guess it's good business to "run to the base" when your state is 70% republican.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    @Wildcat Spring Street

    If you actually read the article you would find it was a compilation of statements from other news sources: most of whom (such as Politico) are partisan leftists

    @Utah centrist
    From some seats in the ballpark everything appears to be in right field: its kinda obvious you are not really seated near home plate?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 7, 2012 3:16 p.m.


    What of Bush's "Ownership Society?"

    From the "Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission" Report:

    Widespread failures in financial regulation and supervision proved devastating to the stability of the nation’s financial markets.

    Dramatic failures of corporate governance and risk management at many systemically important financial institutions were a key cause of this crisis.

    A combination of excessive borrowing, risky investments, and lack of transparency put the financial system on a collision course with crisis.

    The government was ill prepared for the crisis, and its inconsistent response added to the uncertainty and panic in the financial markets.

    There was a systemic breakdown in accountability and ethics.
    Lenders made loans that they knew borrowers could not afford and that could cause massive losses to investors in mortgage securities....They knew a significant percentage of the sampled loans did not meet their own underwriting standards or those of the originators. Nonetheless, they sold those securities to investors.

    Collapsing mortgage-lending standards and the mortgage securitization pipeline lit and spread the flame of contagion and crisis.

    Over-the-counter derivatives contributed significantly to this crisis.

    The failures of credit rating agencies were essential cogs in the wheel of financial destruction.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    "Sure there's work to be done, but I prefer my economy heading slowly in the right direction rather than returning to the policies that drove it into the ditch."

    What left wingers fail to recognize is the crisis under Clintons presidency, yet you blame Bush. Clinton is the one who brought in Sub Prime Lending, allowing everyone to own a home with adjustable rate mortgages. This all started in Clinton's last term when it was all enacted and the beginning of Bush's first. The housing market fell through the floor, thanks to Clinton and his 8 years of allowances on the mortgage community. People lost house's, banks struggle, banks struggle, economy struggles, economy struggles, jobs are lost, jobs lost means Americans struggle. You want to point fingers, lets start there. We were not struggling under Reagan, We were not struggling under Bush Sr., and who followed Bush Sr. Oh yeah wait, it was Clinton. And who was the last president we struggled under, Carter, before Reagan. Looks like 16 years of Repub. Pres served well and 16 years of Dem pres was not so good. And this is the direction you prefer?

  • codger Southwest Utah, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    The terrible economy he inherited will look like a walk in the park compared to the economy he will inherit if he is re-elected.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    "Besides, Obama noted accomplishments in his own speech while acknowledging that we still have a ways to go."

    He noted his creation of 4.5 Million jobs. He forgot to mention the 5 Million lost. Negative 500k for jobs for Obama. What accomplishment?

    He noted his save GM with the bailout, creation of better vehicles that can travel twice as far on a gallon of gas. He forgot to mention the bailout was started by Bush, he just followed it through. Gasoline is now twice what it was when he took office. If a car goes twice as far on a gallon of gas and gas is twice as expensive, you did nothing. What accomplishment?

    He took credit for killing Osama Bin Laden. Thanks to intel that came from GITMO and the Bush administration that began this hunt. What accomplishment?

    I almost fell out of my chair laughing when Clinton appeared on the video saying he hopes we would have made the same decision. Mr. Clinton you had Bin Laden in the cross hairs twice during your presidency and failed to give the order.

    His accomplishment adding $5 Trillion to our National Debt.

    You want this guy again?

  • SoCalTrueBlue2 San Diego, CA
    Sept. 7, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    Funny to hear the liberals posting comments assailing this article as biased and a pure editorial hit piece, when it largely quoted from respected Democrats who were themselves disappointed upon realizing that the high cadence and smooth delivery of Obama's speech were the only highlights and that there was no substance to it.

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    Sept. 7, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    Style over substance and really not very much style.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    @Liberal Ted
    "Allowed N Korea and Iran to get the bomb. "

    Iran doesn't have the bomb, at least not yet. N. Korea got the bomb while Bush was president.

    "Except you can't allow God, Jerusalem, gun owners, and anyone who won't be molded 100% into their ideologue."

    I'm sorry, which party is the one that purges anyone who is very conservative but willing to actually work with Democrats on bipartisan legislation? Besides, most convention-goers are Christian, even at the Democratic convention. It's not an anti-Christian thing, it's a pro-treating-all-religions-equally thing.

    "failed to plug the bp oil spill"

    That's BPs fault, and the fault of loose regulations that let deep drilling like that occur without companies showing they can contain their mistakes. That's conservative policy that led to that mess.

    "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"

    August 2008 -274k jobs
    August 2012 +96k jobs.

    Sure there's work to be done, but I prefer my economy heading slowly in the right direction rather than returning to the policies that drove it into the ditch.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    "Think of it this way - IF Obama did have a record to run on he would have been bragging up a storm and rightly so!!!!"

    There were plenty of convention speeches that did that. Not my fault you listened to only... actually I can't say for surety that you listened to any. Besides, Obama noted accomplishments in his own speech while acknowledging that we still have a ways to go. That's just giving an accurate assessment of the situation.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    Barack has learned a few things.

    Four years ago he said if he couldn't get it done in 3 1/2 years he shouldn't be re-elected.

    Last night he said it will take several years to fix the problems everyone else has created over the past decades. Barack is lowering the bar for a second term since the first term hasn't brought too much positive hope or positive change.

    GONE 1-20-13

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    the democrats claim to be the big tent party. Except you can't allow God, Jerusalem, gun owners, and anyone who won't be molded 100% into their ideologue. They talk about their hate of wealthy people, yet have no problem being sponsored by the wealthy, powerful and elite and making deals with them.

    They claim to care, but, have not created a net job. They had control of every branch of government and even have the supreme court on their side. They still couldn't create a net job.

    They failed to respond to Isaac, failed to plug the bp oil spill and refused help from nations with the expertise, killed dictators in oil rich countries, while allowing citizens to be slaughtered in non-oil countries. Allowed N Korea and Iran to get the bomb.

    Are you better off than you were 4 years ago? Are we better off? Will 4 more years be all that he needs to fix the problems? I don't think so. What happens after he removes our nuclear weapons? Will he need 4 more years after that to protect us?

    I can't believe he still has a following.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    I think it is great that the DN is allowing their staff to write editorials but why does the DN continue to publish them in the "world news." this piece is very clearly an editorial piece not a news piece. please keep the editorial pieces on he editorial pages

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 12:02 p.m.

    The whole line up leading up to this was disgusting. We were graced by bill clinton who cheated on his wife over and over and over again, then lied to the American people about it. Then he told us that only barack out of everyone in the world could make the gutsy call to kill osama. I'm pretty sure I could find at least 3+ billion people who would have made that call. I know bill clinton wouldn't make that call because he was too busy defending his adultery and impeachment process to kill osama when we had him years ago.

    Next kerry that threw away his purple hearts, that he had to submit the request to get them. Awards for self inflicted and superficial wounds. Luckily he married into someone elses wealth otherwise he would be a nobody...

    Next michelle telling us how grounded they are as a family. Really? with all of her trips, shopping trips, taking her kids around the world, golfing....really grounded just like all of us. Another lie.

    I did feel bad for Gifford. But the shooter was a registered democrat that murdered and shot her. Yet the tea party was blamed.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    why does this not surprise me? all talk.....and nothing but debt and unemployment to show for it. Time to get a professional in the oval office, Romney and not the amateur, obama.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    The only people that were overwhelmed by obama are the ones that drink his kool aid and will follow him into any hole that he leads them into.

    After the tingling in the leg disappeared and people are waking up from the hangover and realizing that voting based on race alone, instead of the real abilities of the person, and havng to stand in an unemployment line and watching pay drop and hours drop and good jobs disappear while we invest billions and trillions overseas of borrowed money.

    How in the world can that ever be good and having us head in the right direction?

    So much for having the republicans sit in the back while the demos drive us out of the ditch. Instead they drove through the ditch into the muck, set the car on fire, throwing gas on it to put it out, blaming everyone else for the problem and at the same time telling us it's getting better.

    I couldn't force myself to watch our idiot in chief spew his lies through his chain smoking nicotine whitewashed teeth. He is disgusting.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    hey but look at the upside ....he did say.... well he said... I guess he pretty much performed as expected when he has no record to run on. It is really hard to pitch your great business plan to the board of directors ... when you don't have one. You can only fool people for so long. Think of it this way - IF Obama did have a record to run on he would have been bragging up a storm and rightly so!!!! If he did have a clear and confident plan for 2013 he would have certainly laid it out there ..... but we got the "underwhelmed" blues instead. Remind you of anyone?? How about 1980 and Jimmy Carter. Actually Paul Ryan got it right when he said that "Obama makes the Jimmy Carter years look like the good ole days". But hey guys - I just need a little more time ya know! Never mind things have gotten worse with unemployment and our debt and poverty and foodstamps ... yes pay no attention to that man behind the curtain because the great and powerful BO has spoken...along with alot of smoke and mirrors!!!

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 7, 2012 11:33 a.m.

    It was a rousing speech for Dems hungry for that old time religion but the substance I was hoping for was not there. Both Romney and Obama have passed on golden opportunities to be the sole candidate of substance. Apparently, both have decided that their best hope for victory is in assailing each other.

    Trench warfare from now through November 6.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    One and Done!

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    Wow, the Romney Reader a.k.a Deseret News (known for it's pseudo-journalism) is sure getting desperate. This title is comparable to criticizing a pitcher for throwing a one-hitter instead of a no-hitter or perfect game.

    Meanwhile, they are all excited because Mitt got a get-me-over fastball over the plate for the first time this campaign--and it was marginal in most everyone's view--not thanking the soldiers while wanting to send them to six more battle fronts.

    This article isn't even fit to put on the bottom of the bird cage, but keep trying, you're bound to hit something soon.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    As if Republicans are looking for consensus building...

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 7, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    A real leader has the ability to obtain a consensus from both from both sides of the aisle, and they don't tell the opposition they "are welcome to ride but have to sit in back".

    What part of "It's the economy, stupid" doesn't Obama understand?

  • UtahCentrist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    And yet it still managed to be more engaging than Mitt's...