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Published: Thursday, Sept. 6 2012 12:13 p.m. MDT

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scenic view
Baltimore, MD

Definitely:

Utah's arrogance has made the Utes a pariah.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

Hmmm...a BYU fan writing for the Provo Daily Herald...I wonder what conclusion he's going to come to? Blue goggles much?

Ragnar Danneskjold
Bountiful, UT

Does the DNews even WANT to be taken seriously anymore? Why do they have a daily link to a biased site pumping up BYU? I've left this comment a few times, but it becomes more and more pathetic every time it happens.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

"If Utah is arguing that its Pac-12 journey is automatically harder, just based on the prestigious names of opponents, it's wrong. The Utes haven't yet had to face two of the best teams, Oregon or Stanford."

Stanford is NOT one of the two best teams. They had a few good years with Luck, but those are over now. Also Utah's journey is considerably harder. Check the SOS rankings from last year.

"Utah isn't exactly viewed a threat quite yet."

Than why have several media outlets identified Utah as the dark horse to win the South?

"It's a stark contrast to BYU, which has virtually no enemies these days."

Except of course for the Big 12 and Big East conferences...

Utah Alum
Orem, UT

Timid Sparrow

Utah fans have done way too much chest beating about being invited to the PAC 12, especially for an overall athletic program that isn't even close to competitive in the PAC in any sports besides football and women's gymnastics.

Utah's "we're too good for the rest of you" attitude will eventually come back to bite the Utes hard.

The saddest thing to see happening on the hill is Utah walking away from century-old rivalries with BYU and Utah State in favor of playing teams like Northern Colorado.

When the inevitable losing seasons and no bowl games empty RES, the Utes won't even have fans from BYU and Utah State to help the Utes fill their half-empty stadium.

As a Utah Alum, it's disgusting to watch the Utes abandoning core values like friendship and respect.

Shawnm750
West Jordan, UT

I don't recall BYU ever being the most hated in-state program, except by us die-hard Utes fans... While I too am displeased that the in-state rivalries are changing, I also understand that Utah has to be mindful of their own goals for the football program. In the current BCS-run world of college football, which in spite of the recent announcement about the play-off system, necessitates that Utah play teams that get them more exposure. Granted, teams like Northern Colorado don't exactly make for ESPN's game-of-the-week, but if the program is ever going to evolve, they have to play teams that they haven't played every for the past 100+ years.

Until the system changes, Utah is stuck either playing the game like everyone else, or just contenting themselves with mediocrity and crying, "well, the system is against us, so we're choosing not to participate."

Collegiate athletics are all about exposure for the school (with the exception of Ivy League schools.) Utah is just trying to promote themselves the best way they can.

UU32
Bountiful, UT

Isn't whoever wins the most the most hated? For example who hates Utah State? Who hates Southern Utah? Who is the most hated in the sports team in the nation? The Yankees? The Crimson Tide? The Lakers? The Heat? It is the odd program that has a lot of success and is still beloved by anyone but their fans. I don't think hate is the right word - polarizing maybe. Of course BYU and Utah fans love to hate eachother, but that is a rivalry. I think you'd find on a national scale that BYU and Utah (outside of old mountain west rivalries) aren't really hated - in fact, both are pretty admired. It is a silly question.

Even sillier, why the Des News would give the Daily Herald free advertising space in its own articles.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Due to being the church school BYU is the most polarizing school in this state. As such they are the most liked, and the most disliked. It's a distinction that is unique to BYU compared to Utah and Utah State.

Orem Parent
Orem, UT

No they are not more hated. Mostly for the fact that people around the nation don't know much about the Utes. They can't see them on t.v. except for the occasional bowl game. Other than that they aren't on unless you are a search master and can find the obscure channel they might be on. Oh yeah you can also use the internet to find sketchy broadcasts of the game.

BYU on the other hand is on ESPN more often than not. When they aren't they are on BYUtv which is carried to millions of homes.

Until Utah gets some decent coverage, they will remain in obscurity for the most part.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

I saw that Franchuck character on Talkin' Sports

It was pretty funny when he say the BYU players were tired of talking about how great they were.

Classic take coming out of Utah County.

As for his premise in the article, meh.

NevadaCoug
Overton, NV

"In the current BCS-run world of college football, which in spite of the recent announcement about the play-off system, necessitates that Utah play teams that get them more exposure. Granted, teams like Northern Colorado don't exactly make for ESPN's game-of-the-week, but if the program is ever going to evolve, they have to play teams that they haven't played every for the past 100+ years."

If Utah wants exposure, why would they dump BYU? The Utah-BYU rivalry has come to be considered one of the best rivalries in the country. It even pulled in the ESPN Gameday crew a couple of years ago. Yes, scheduling teams around the country that they haven't played much would increase their exposure. But dumping BYU does not do that. Face it, playing full Pac-12 schedule doesn't mean a lot to teams east of the Mississippi. In order for Utah to really draw their attention, they need to schedule teams like Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Florida St, etc. But don't dump the big rival that helps get you attention.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Pretty funny Orem Parent talks about "obscure channels," then brings up BYUtv as if it's on each American home's "favorite channels" list.

dallas realist
rockwall, texas

I would say that Utah is more hated right now because they have had the most recent success. that how it goes

sammyg
Springville, UT

StGtoSLC

Yeah it is pretty funny and pathetic at the same time isn't it? How a big BCS conference promises the world, working up it's fanbase in promising the biggest network ever in college sports history and it's a grand flop.

The insult is not so much that a satellite deal hasn't happened, it's the founding cable partners have reneged on the original concept.

So you have locals on cable networks with no coverage, you have Comcast, Cox, and other non-local networks not broadcasting THEN you have the local and non-local satellite subscribers orphaned as well.

It appears that no one wants to provide PAC 12 Network like it was planned, so what's up with that?

Compared to this fiasco BYUtv is in each American's home.

Yeah, that's pretty funny to point out.

NevadaCoug
Overton, NV

BYU TV may not be something a lot of people watch all the time. But there absolutely were fans of BYU opponents turning it on last season so they could watch their team play.

Not to mention the multiple games BYU had broadcast on ESPN last season. Or the multiple games they have scheduled on ESPN this season.

Fact is, if you want to watch BYU games on TV, you can find them every time.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Yet again sammyg does not understand that just because BYU TV allegedly is in everyones home, not everyone is watching.
Care to guess what the major news is tonight? The new Big 12 TV deal with Fox & ESPN.
Interesting, this forum is really the only place where I see people talk about BYU TV. Why do you think that is BYU supporters? Oh sure, some of you will come on here and say your friends talk about it. But that's it! Big boy football is about big boy networks. Even your ESPN contract pales in comparison to conference deals. And now its going to get even more space competition with the Big 12 deal!

Get real your indie contract is an experiment. You are not and never will have the star power of Notre Dame.

Yeah that's pretty funny to point out alright.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Orem Parent said:

"BYU on the other hand is on ESPN more often than not. When they aren't they are on BYUtv which is carried to millions of homes.

Until Utah gets some decent coverage, they will remain in obscurity for the most part."

I wish that BYU posters would stop spreading false information. BYU is not carried to millions of homes. I have Comcast and BYU TV is not part of my channel plan. Because I would have to pay extra to watch it. Most everywhere outside of the state of Utah, BYU TV is part of cable & satellite packages that people have to pay extra for. And when they do pay extra, 999,000 times out of a million they are paying for premium channels like Showtime, HBO etc. Not BYU TV, that's thrown in.

Again, BYU can be on ESPN blah blah blah. That does not mean the entire world is tuned in to watch. There is this thing called ratings that wishful thinking BYU fans selectively don't bring up. The world does not revolve around Provo.

U 90
Corona, CA

sammy,

I have Time Warner in SoCal and BYUtv is not offered. I called T.W. to request that they offer BYUtv and they said to be quite frank they don't get a lot of requests for that channel here otherwise they would have picked it up already.

SoCal is the #2 TV market in the U.S. Time Warner is a huge cable provider. To say BYUtv is in every home in America is just a little, teeny, tiny stretch.

sammyg
Springville, UT

Night Owl

"Yet again sammyg does not understand that just because BYU TV allegedly is in everyones home, not everyone is watching."

At least BYU fans have a choice and so do the opponents, PAC 12 fans not so much.

Take off the crimson glasses. Your bitterness over being shunned by satellite and most cable providers for this fictional network is unhealthy.

Just accept the truth that BYU has on its own managed to pull together something you and the PAC 12 will never have... a national network that exists.

No matter how many times you deny it the truth remains the same. BYUtv is out there in more places than your puny little experiment of a network that has orphaned fans coast to coast. That's a national joke.

Seeing you whine about it is quite entertaining.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Here's a way to answer the question.

Go to SLC and watch a ute game, wearing a cougar shirt, then go to Provo for a cougar game in a ute shirt. Compare and contrast fan reactions.

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