Oh look, another BYU homer article. I didn't even need to read the article
to know what false conclusions it would contain after I saw what publication it
came from. DOH! Might as well read a Dick Harmon article. Same benefit. None.
CounterI get so tired of hearing how Utah fans are so much worse
than BYU fansI graduated from both BYU and Utah. I've seen the
debauchery on both sides. it is all inexcusable. But the theory that Utah fans
are worse than BYU fans complete false. I have been to games at
Oregon State, Airforce, Arizona, TCU, and at the Sugar Bowl sitting in the midst
of Alabama fans, and I have never been maligned as much as I was at BYU, despite
that fact that I never cheered against BYU, and only cheered for Utah.I have also had BYU fans sitting near me by at Rice-Eccles stadium and seen
fans harassed, but also fans treated with respect. But BYU fans posting here
would have us believe that the Utah fans as a whole espouse the vile and
demeaning, while the BYU fans are above reproach except for a few bad apples.
This perception is just flat out wrong. As you said, there is a very
vocal subgroup that is terrible at Utah, but it is the same size at BYU and is
just as bad.
worfPerfect response that desrves repeating: "Here's a way
to answer the question.Go to SLC and watch a ute game, wearing a
cougar shirt, then go to Provo for a cougar game in a ute shirt. Compare and
contrast fan reactions."pocyUteOk some BYU fans are jerks
and it is football, not church. But have you ever done what worf suggests and
wear a BYU shirt to the U. There is a section of Utah fans who view the game as
an extension of religious warfare; they are completely out of control and take
abuse to new heights (way beyond typical football fan stupidity)I
attended the U, but I avoid their football precisely because of the venom from a
very vocal subgroup. As long as the U refrains from rejecting that sub-set,
they will be tainted by itI felt abused at my last Utah game - and I
was actually wearing a U t-shirt
"Most of BYU's games will be on ESPN"5 of 12 games is
most?You are right, sir. BYU has a sixth game on a little network
Isn't BYU TV part of the basic package for both DirectTV and DishNetwork?
That's quite a few people who have access to it. And for those who
don't have satellite...you can watch BYU TV on the internet.So
wouldn't that mean it is available to everybody everywhere?
WorfCareful with your comparisons. The spit on my Utah car magnet
after the 2009 game, as well has the constant harassment I had to endure at that
game might indicate that BYU fans are also capable of debauchery.
@scenic viewBaltimore, MD"Definitely:Utah's arrogance has made the Utes a pariah."That's
a good one. About as good as the Democratic party saying they are the party of
tolerance and acceptance!!Love it!!Go Utes!! The
University of the prophets!!
Night Foul"Had you actually read what has been posted here,
people are talking about BYU TV access for a fee outside of Utah as part of
cable or other packages."No one has ever disputed that there are
'fees' in every cable package or satellite tier service.... no one.Go Aggies!
Wac Paddled"Not everyone has access to it as claimed. "Yes they do. A fan has the choice to get this channel if
they pay for it. PAC 12 Net does not provide that universal access. You're the one fabricating the misinformation on this.In the
event a cable operator does not provide the channel, then a switch to satellite
provides the access. If you have internet access the channel is available thru a
ROKU box.These two options make BYUtv available throughout the
world... if the end-user pays for the pipeline and any subscription or equipment
fees. If you live in Utah, in most places, BYUtv is free over the HD
airwaves. Unless you want to use the argument 'you didn't build'
or 'it takes a village' and everyone 'shares' and
'pays' something. Geesh...So dang simple I'd thought
a Ute could figure this out but obviously not.Say 'uncle'?
Utah IS hated more than BYU - but only in Utah County!!Go Utes!! Go
U 90I said comparatively. It does not make any difference. Again, to repeat the truth, if you have satellite or internet you have the
availability to get BYUtv. That would be millions of people and millions more
than your half baked PAC Net. Theoretically everyone could have access to BYUtv
at a reasonable cost. Does that make you feel better?And
for those that are putting forth the pathetic excuse that the PAC network is in
only its infancy, dream on. It might improve but its not going to happen soon
and it will always pale to what exists now for BYU fans. Like the
age old story of McDonald's Hamburgers... Wendy's and Burger King will
always be #2 and #3Find another hill to plant a flag on
'girlse'. BYU OWNS this one.Consider yourselves kicked to
the curb for your own safety, BYU HD truck coming thru.
I get BYUTv or free without any problem. I love the fact that I get to see
virtually every BYU game and tons of BBall games. I Really like independance for
upinthenightSorry, you've misread the tea leaves.What BYU fans want is the ability to watch EVERY BYU game. Via over-the-air
broadcasts, through cable, satellite, internet, and smartphone apps, that's
a reality for almost every BYU fan.Not so for the majority of Utah
fans, despite all of the Utah fan hyperbole. I know many Utah fans living in
Utah who couldn't watch the Utah - Northern Colorado game from the comfort
of their living room simply because it wasn't available.
SportsFan said:"paddlingapologistCan you get the PAC
Net in Utah with anything other than a premium tier cable subscription?Any fan in Utah can get BYUtv FOR FREE over the air.For the vast
majority of BYU and Utah fans:BYUtv > PAC NetBYU
reality = Utah fantasy"Sigh.Another BYU fan that thinks
the world revolves around Provo. Had you actually read what has been posted
here, people are talking about BYU TV access for a fee outside of Utah as part
of cable or other packages.
"Most of BYU's games will be on ESPN"5 of 12 games is
most?You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you
think it means. -- Inigo Montoya, Princess Bride
sammy, I made nothing up, see your post below. You did say it, just own up to
it....Compared to this fiasco BYUtv is in each American's
home.8:40 p.m. Sept. 6, 2012
paddlingapologistCan you get the PAC Net in Utah with anything other
than a premium tier cable subscription?Any fan in Utah can get BYUtv
FOR FREE over the air.For the vast majority of BYU and Utah fans:BYUtv > PAC NetBYU reality = Utah fantasy
no conference championships for UWhat's laughable is Utah fans
whining about BYUtv's coverage of a couple of BYU football games a year,
versus the PAC Net's coverage of half of Utah's games.Most
of BYU's games will be on ESPN, with only the replays shown on BYUtv.Washington State - ESPNWeber State - BYUtv (which unlike the PAC
Net, can actually be seen in Utah)Utah - ESPN2Boise State - ESPNHawaii - ESPNUtah State - ESPNNotre Dame - NBCThe ONLY
Utah games currently scheduled for ESPN, come courtesy of Utah State and BYU and
sammygSpringville, UTU 90Your example of TWC not
covering BYUtv works the same way as your anemic PAC 12 Network... no
interestBut the infinite wisdom and vision of BYU made sure that
every household that wanted BYUtv could get it.So viewership vs
households available, I don't care, BYU wins this argument hands down.Pretty funny eh?>>>I think
Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network win your argument hands down. People want to pay
for that.That's not funny at all.
This is soooooooooooooooo dishonest.Please stop the masquerade of saying
everyone has access to BYU TV. It failed in its promise to provide! Just like
you say about the Pac 12 Network. In many places people don't even have
access, its not available by the cable or other provider, and you have to pay
extra to see it.You don't know what people all over the place have
access to in the first place.Move on and stretch & spin another
topic BYU fans.
Y Grad / Y DadRichland, WAWACPaddingOurScheduleI
don't have to pay extra for it... And I get it on tv, laptop, smartphone
and tablet. Hope that doesn't count me as four people.______________You live in mini Utah state there. Not surprised you
can get it on TV.
BlueCougOrem, UTWACPaddledUtah fans have been beating
their chests for over a year about how great the PAC Net was going to be, yet
straight out of the gate, Utah fans in SLC couldn't even watch Utah's
first game on the PAC Net unless they had Comcast.You can spin it
however helps you sleep at night, but the PAC Net failed miserably to deliver
what the PAC promised and Utah fans expected._______________The Pac 12 network is in its first season. Can't wait to see the
spin from cougs when it becomes more available.Please tell all your
BYU buddies to stop spreading false information about the straw man formally
known as BYU TV. Not everyone has access to it as claimed. You can
spin it however helps you sleep at night.
WACPaddledUtah fans have been beating their chests for over a year
about how great the PAC Net was going to be, yet straight out of the gate, Utah
fans in SLC couldn't even watch Utah's first game on the PAC Net
unless they had Comcast.You can spin it however helps you sleep at
night, but the PAC Net failed miserably to deliver what the PAC promised and
Utah fans expected.
U 90My favorite follower..." To say BYUtv is in
every home in America is just a little, teeny, tiny stretch."And
there you go making up stuff again. Never said that.But since you
mentioned it... Theoretically a BYU fan can easily have his BYUtv anytime he/she
wants to by simply having satellite or internet. (ROKU)Your example
of TWC not covering BYUtv works the same way as your anemic PAC 12 Network... no
interestBut the infinite wisdom and vision of BYU made sure that
every household that wanted BYUtv could get it.So viewership vs
households available, I don't care, BYU wins this argument hands down.Pretty funny eh?
Outside the state, BYU is the most hated. The Cougar fans who troll the Utah
stories do the same to all their opponents. Who has the time to join a
Mississippi State fan board to talk trash? Cougar fans. They're probably
already talking trash on Notre Dame fan boards.There was a great
story on Nebraska having the most friendly and polite fans in college football.
I thought "what school is the polar opposite of that? BYU."
WACPaddingOurScheduleI don't have to pay extra for it... And I
get it on tv, laptop, smartphone and tablet. Hope that doesn't count me
as four people.
Unrealistic expectation syndrome at its finest. Look no further than sammyg.The Pac 12 network just started. Interesting how BYU fans like yourself now
say that it did not live up to expectations.Yet BYU TV is doing the exact
same thing you accuse the Pac 12 network of doing!BYU TV is not
available to everyone as claimed! And you have to pay extra for it where
this article and most of the comments are really, really silly. Honestly, Utah
fans, it is quite clear that Dirk included this in the roundup simply because it
is so ridiculous. I am sure he though we would get a good laugh at it, and I
did! I love how BYU's home "news paper" is working so hard at
turning Utah into this villain; not playing USU in a home and home! how dare
those Utes! Treating BYU like it is equal to other regional universities?!?
Unspeakable! I personally do not care if the Pac 12 network is carried all
over the world, that is Larry Scotts problem, i just care that i get to see Utah
beat the teams they play.
Here's a way to answer the question.Go to SLC and watch a ute
game, wearing a cougar shirt, then go to Provo for a cougar game in a ute shirt.
Compare and contrast fan reactions.
Night Owl"Yet again sammyg does not understand that just because
BYU TV allegedly is in everyones home, not everyone is watching."At least BYU fans have a choice and so do the opponents, PAC 12 fans not so
much.Take off the crimson glasses. Your bitterness over being
shunned by satellite and most cable providers for this fictional network is
unhealthy.Just accept the truth that BYU has on its own managed to
pull together something you and the PAC 12 will never have... a national network
that exists.No matter how many times you deny it the truth remains
the same. BYUtv is out there in more places than your puny little experiment of
a network that has orphaned fans coast to coast. That's a national joke.Seeing you whine about it is quite entertaining.
sammy,I have Time Warner in SoCal and BYUtv is not offered. I
called T.W. to request that they offer BYUtv and they said to be quite frank
they don't get a lot of requests for that channel here otherwise they would
have picked it up already.SoCal is the #2 TV market in the U.S.
Time Warner is a huge cable provider. To say BYUtv is in every home in America
is just a little, teeny, tiny stretch.
Orem Parent said:"BYU on the other hand is on ESPN more often
than not. When they aren't they are on BYUtv which is carried to millions
of homes.Until Utah gets some decent coverage, they will remain in
obscurity for the most part."I wish that BYU posters would stop
spreading false information. BYU is not carried to millions of homes. I have
Comcast and BYU TV is not part of my channel plan. Because I would have to pay
extra to watch it. Most everywhere outside of the state of Utah, BYU TV is part
of cable & satellite packages that people have to pay extra for. And when
they do pay extra, 999,000 times out of a million they are paying for premium
channels like Showtime, HBO etc. Not BYU TV, that's thrown in.Again, BYU can be on ESPN blah blah blah. That does not mean the entire world
is tuned in to watch. There is this thing called ratings that wishful thinking
BYU fans selectively don't bring up. The world does not revolve around
Yet again sammyg does not understand that just because BYU TV allegedly is in
everyones home, not everyone is watching.Care to guess what the major news
is tonight? The new Big 12 TV deal with Fox & ESPN. Interesting, this
forum is really the only place where I see people talk about BYU TV. Why do you
think that is BYU supporters? Oh sure, some of you will come on here and say
your friends talk about it. But that's it! Big boy football is about big
boy networks. Even your ESPN contract pales in comparison to conference deals.
And now its going to get even more space competition with the Big 12 deal!Get real your indie contract is an experiment. You are not and never
will have the star power of Notre Dame. Yeah that's pretty
funny to point out alright.
BYU TV may not be something a lot of people watch all the time. But there
absolutely were fans of BYU opponents turning it on last season so they could
watch their team play.Not to mention the multiple games BYU had
broadcast on ESPN last season. Or the multiple games they have scheduled on
ESPN this season.Fact is, if you want to watch BYU games on TV, you
can find them every time.
StGtoSLCYeah it is pretty funny and pathetic at the same time
isn't it? How a big BCS conference promises the world, working up it's
fanbase in promising the biggest network ever in college sports history and
it's a grand flop.The insult is not so much that a satellite
deal hasn't happened, it's the founding cable partners have reneged on
the original concept. So you have locals on cable networks with no
coverage, you have Comcast, Cox, and other non-local networks not broadcasting
THEN you have the local and non-local satellite subscribers orphaned as well.It appears that no one wants to provide PAC 12 Network like it was
planned, so what's up with that?Compared to this fiasco BYUtv
is in each American's home.Yeah, that's pretty funny to
I would say that Utah is more hated right now because they have had the most
recent success. that how it goes
Pretty funny Orem Parent talks about "obscure channels," then brings up
BYUtv as if it's on each American home's "favorite channels"
"In the current BCS-run world of college football, which in spite of the
recent announcement about the play-off system, necessitates that Utah play teams
that get them more exposure. Granted, teams like Northern Colorado don't
exactly make for ESPN's game-of-the-week, but if the program is ever going
to evolve, they have to play teams that they haven't played every for the
past 100+ years."If Utah wants exposure, why would they dump
BYU? The Utah-BYU rivalry has come to be considered one of the best rivalries
in the country. It even pulled in the ESPN Gameday crew a couple of years ago.
Yes, scheduling teams around the country that they haven't played much
would increase their exposure. But dumping BYU does not do that. Face it,
playing full Pac-12 schedule doesn't mean a lot to teams east of the
Mississippi. In order for Utah to really draw their attention, they need to
schedule teams like Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Florida St, etc. But don't
dump the big rival that helps get you attention.
I saw that Franchuck character on Talkin' SportsIt was pretty
funny when he say the BYU players were tired of talking about how great they
were.Classic take coming out of Utah County. As for his
premise in the article, meh.
No they are not more hated. Mostly for the fact that people around the nation
don't know much about the Utes. They can't see them on t.v. except
for the occasional bowl game. Other than that they aren't on unless you
are a search master and can find the obscure channel they might be on. Oh yeah
you can also use the internet to find sketchy broadcasts of the game.BYU on the other hand is on ESPN more often than not. When they aren't
they are on BYUtv which is carried to millions of homes.Until Utah
gets some decent coverage, they will remain in obscurity for the most part.
Due to being the church school BYU is the most polarizing school in this state.
As such they are the most liked, and the most disliked. It's a distinction
that is unique to BYU compared to Utah and Utah State.
Isn't whoever wins the most the most hated? For example who hates Utah
State? Who hates Southern Utah? Who is the most hated in the sports team in the
nation? The Yankees? The Crimson Tide? The Lakers? The Heat? It is the odd
program that has a lot of success and is still beloved by anyone but their fans.
I don't think hate is the right word - polarizing maybe. Of course BYU and
Utah fans love to hate eachother, but that is a rivalry. I think you'd find
on a national scale that BYU and Utah (outside of old mountain west rivalries)
aren't really hated - in fact, both are pretty admired. It is a silly
question. Even sillier, why the Des News would give the Daily Herald
free advertising space in its own articles.
I don't recall BYU ever being the most hated in-state program, except by us
die-hard Utes fans... While I too am displeased that the in-state rivalries are
changing, I also understand that Utah has to be mindful of their own goals for
the football program. In the current BCS-run world of college football, which in
spite of the recent announcement about the play-off system, necessitates that
Utah play teams that get them more exposure. Granted, teams like Northern
Colorado don't exactly make for ESPN's game-of-the-week, but if the
program is ever going to evolve, they have to play teams that they haven't
played every for the past 100+ years. Until the system changes, Utah
is stuck either playing the game like everyone else, or just contenting
themselves with mediocrity and crying, "well, the system is against us, so
we're choosing not to participate." Collegiate athletics
are all about exposure for the school (with the exception of Ivy League
schools.) Utah is just trying to promote themselves the best way they can.
Timid SparrowUtah fans have done way too much chest beating about
being invited to the PAC 12, especially for an overall athletic program that
isn't even close to competitive in the PAC in any sports besides football
and women's gymnastics.Utah's "we're too good for
the rest of you" attitude will eventually come back to bite the Utes
hard.The saddest thing to see happening on the hill is Utah walking
away from century-old rivalries with BYU and Utah State in favor of playing
teams like Northern Colorado.When the inevitable losing seasons and
no bowl games empty RES, the Utes won't even have fans from BYU and Utah
State to help the Utes fill their half-empty stadium.As a Utah Alum,
it's disgusting to watch the Utes abandoning core values like friendship
"If Utah is arguing that its Pac-12 journey is automatically harder, just
based on the prestigious names of opponents, it's wrong. The Utes
haven't yet had to face two of the best teams, Oregon or Stanford."Stanford is NOT one of the two best teams. They had a few good years
with Luck, but those are over now. Also Utah's journey is considerably
harder. Check the SOS rankings from last year."Utah isn't
exactly viewed a threat quite yet."Than why have several media
outlets identified Utah as the dark horse to win the South?"It's a stark contrast to BYU, which has virtually no enemies these
days."Except of course for the Big 12 and Big East
Does the DNews even WANT to be taken seriously anymore? Why do they have a daily
link to a biased site pumping up BYU? I've left this comment a few times,
but it becomes more and more pathetic every time it happens.
Hmmm...a BYU fan writing for the Provo Daily Herald...I wonder what conclusion
he's going to come to? Blue goggles much?
Definitely:Utah's arrogance has made the Utes a pariah.