Comments about ‘Democrats in Charlotte flummoxed on God, Jerusalem’

Return to article »

Published: Thursday, Sept. 6 2012 9:33 a.m. MDT

Comments
  • Oldest first
  • Newest first
  • Most recommended
Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

A Scientist

"Then you prove my point: belief makes NO DIFFERENCE"

Actually my point was: you can not credibly slam Mormons for wanting a "theocracy" (your words) while claiming to be oppressed when others do not want an atheocracy.

But yes: There is no difference in that people are people and the "atheist good, religion bad" mentality is as bad as "atheist bad, relgion good" knee-jerk assumption. However having a formally defined value system does help guide most people and in the absence of other factors, I tend to trust a believer more than a non-believer

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Hutterite American Fork, UT
"This is a shame. The democratic party got sucked into this quagmire. "

With the Democrats it isn't the principle that counts. Obviously they're willing to take whatever position will harvest the most votes.

TOO
Sanpete, UT

I find it funny that "In the opinion of he chair, two thirds vote in the affirmative..." was in the teleprompter. He READ it. It wasn't a real vote with the words already in the teleprompter. Were they planning on switching it if it wasn't 2/3? I doubt it.
No matter what happened, they were going to change it. They were terrified of the reprocussions if they didn't. Debbie Wasseran Schultz says it was an "oversight". How do you oversee a principle that has been part of the base of this country since the founding fathers? It's common sense.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

So I take it that omitting the word God from a platform and then reinserting it is much more offensive than a presidential candidate who finished second in the 2008 primary and spoke at this years Republican convention who referred to the LDS religion as a cult, and never retracted that statement?

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT
"God is added back to the Democratic platform and the arena erupts in a united chorus of BOO's?? Really?"

Have you ever considered they were boo'ing the process, not the result? I am sure you didn't give it even the slightest consideration. And lets go ahead and ignore that both issues were things the Republicans claim the want... but now once agin, when they get what they want, rather then being gracious and acknowledge that the "country" has a united platform here, they resort back to acting like 8 year olds.

... the "in God we Trust" was introduced WAY after the founding fathers - just a point of fact.

" will take it a step further and suggest that the Democratic party has been hi-jacked by radical Marxist atheists " says patriot..

In reality, what happened was a step away from the radical fringe of the party having control, a fact that group didn't like. On the other side of the isle, the pandering to the Tea Party and extremist seems to be full throttle forward.

The good news is some peoples comments are so regularly hate filled, they are easy to ignore.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

re:Moderate and A Scientist

Please stop the spin. Have EITHER of you done any reading at all on George Washington or John Adams. I don't know what hoohaw you are trying to spin here but BOTH men were deeply religious men. That is factual history!!!

Now on to the DNC - let's stop all the excuse making and talk like intelligent mature adults for a moment. It is a FACT that the platform language is gone over with a fine tooth comb. Every word and every sentence is examined and agreed upon by party leaders ESPECIALLY the head of the party - the sitting president of the United States. It was NO accident or oversight that GOD was left out of the party platform for the FIRST time in US history. This act was on purpose and what it DOES say is that this party is so far detached from the main stream of America but they have to continually lie and attempt to falsely project themselves as Michelle Obama did - "just like you". No Michelle neither your husband nor your party is just like us. That is the LIE. This party is AWOL!!

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

What is truly sad is rather than looking at the two meetings and being able to identify where the two groups can work together to build a stronger and better country, we still have this huge divisive gap where people on either side truly hate the other side.... all the while claiming to exhibit Christ like traits.

If these people just spent a fraction of the time they spent hating the other, image the good that could come from it. We don't have to agree on everything. We have plenty of issues we can agree on. But rather, these people choose to turn life into one giant Gerry Springer episode trying to define themselves a being superior to another. This pride is preventing truly great things from happening.

Just like at work, you don't have to like everyone, you just need to learn to work with one another. This idea that being loyal to a party means you must hate the other side is absurd. When it comes to Utah versus Y football, this gamesmanship is mostly harmless. But when it comes to actually hating your neighbor, we as a society have gone to far.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

So Obama can fix platform positions that he doesn't agree with... does that mean Romney could've insisted the abortion language in his platform include rape, incest, and life of mother exceptions? Oh who am I kidding... that would require Mitt to have a spine.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT
"God is added back to the Democratic platform and the arena erupts in a united chorus of BOO's?? Really?"

You don't get it, a lot of those boos came from Christians. Christians who believe that it is not proper to indicate a preference for a particular god (don't play dumb, we all know that it's one specific god that's being referred to... the Judeo-Christian God) in our government based on the principle of separation of church and state.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

I'm glad to see the democratic party take their cues from the Republicans. Still half the dems don't like what happened. Funny, if they all said "Nay" it would have still passed. This convention has been a joke.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

I demand to force my religion on all! Ye shall pray to my God and my God only!

Don't let equality and impartiality requirements of the constitution stop me. I look forward to the new dark ages.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

The democratic party is just as it should be : completly divided in religious views.

The democratic party doesn't have a religious test. That's called RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

I disagre with the Republicans stance on Israel. Unfortunately, the Democrats now have the same stance. The Dems were not booing God. I think they were booing how the party leadership has sold their soul for political expediency. The Republicans (and now the Democrats) position hurts Isreal. They should make peace with their brothers while they are still ahead. Romney's visit to Israel highlighted something significant. The West Bank is living in an apartheid state. They desl with blockades and massive restrictions on free movement in their own country and they still have a GNP which is half of Israel's. They must be full lof enterpreneurs. If Israel ended the occupation and permited a Palestinian state their (and the Palestinians) economy would boom. The occupation is bad for business.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

To atl134 12:52 p.m. Sept. 6, 2012

So Obama can fix platform positions that he doesn't agree with... does that mean Romney could've insisted the abortion language in his platform include rape, incest, and life of mother exceptions? Oh who am I kidding... that would require Mitt to have a spine.

-------------------

Exactly my thought. Like you said, though, that would require Mitt to have a spine and to actually take an unequivocal position on something (and enforce it against those who would not agree with him). That's something he has proved himself unable to do. Business as usual for Mitt -- go along with ANYONE, even if it means taking different diametrically different positions which each person to whom he speaks, if that's what it takes to get elected.

Sigfried
Payson, UT

@ UtahblueDevil "What is truly sad is rather than looking at the two meetings and being able to identify where the two groups can work together to build a stronger and better country, we still have this huge divisive gap where people on either side truly hate the other side...."

I agree with this statment. And this current president is the most divisive we have had in a long time. In what way has he EVER tried to unite this country? He speaks to his own and that's it.

Didn't Michelle say she was never proud of America till her husband was president? WHAT? This is the first lady? sheesh.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:Patriot
And the framers of the Constitution left out "God" too.

The Democratic platform included a paragraph discussing the importance of the role of faith in American society.

This is all just nonsense.

VST
Bountiful, UT

For the leadership of the Party of the Democrats, "...the hits just keep on coming."

It is my understanding that even the President asked the question, "Who authorized removal of the words from the platform?" I think he may be looking to roll some heads.

The Party leadership just stepped into this "cow pie" big time (especially Party Chairperson Wasserman Schulz) and their responses just continue to make it worse.

joe5
South Jordan, UT

This "vote" should put absolute fear into the heart of every thinking American. This is only another, but much more public, display of Obama's modus operandi. If you don't like the law, change it by fiat. Issue an executive order. Ignore your constitutional duty to enforce the law. And now, hear only the voices you want to hear.

Don't any of you Obama-defenders worry about the day that your voice will be ignored? Doesn't it concern you that Obama acts more like a despot than a President? Doesn't it bother you that he does exactly what he wants to do without regard to his constitutional duty or his role as a public servant?

The thing that concerns me is the apparent lack of thinking Americans who continue to apologize for this man and his heavy-handed, bullying methods of getting things done.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Furry1993 Ogden, UT

The Democrats should be happy that God was invited back into their platform. Based on what the pollsters are noticing the Democrats may want to consider asking Him for some divine help. They are going to need it.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Rifleman
"Based on what the pollsters are noticing "

You mean Nate Silver's model that has Obama as a 75% favorite to win right now? (That might fall to the 60s in a few days though since the model accounts for conventions and Romney had a smaller than usual convention bounce, if Obama does the same then it'll drop back to around the 65-70% range that it was at before the conventions).

@Furry1993
Funny thing is that I actually generally trust Romney. I really liked him as a Governor, as far as Republicans go. Of course he's flipped most of his positions since then and I just don't see him bucking a Republican Congress that has made their interests and priorities well known, especially with the Ryan VP pick. I could trust Romney a lot more if he had a Democratic Congress to work with.

to comment

DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.
About comments