Comments about ‘Allowing clubs to change alcohol prices daily is 'subterfuge,' senator says’

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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 5 2012 4:36 p.m. MDT

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Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

It's time to allow Utah Adults to be grown-ups, over consumption at buffets around the state is a bigger problem.

Why are you Anti-Business John?

Noodlekaboodle
Salt Lake City, UT

What Mr. Valentine fails to understand is that there is a place to get a drink that is much cheaper than a bar overall. It's called the STATE LIQUOR STORE! For the price of 3-4 cocktails at the bar I can buy a whole bottle of the cheap booze used to make those same cocktails. That's not even considering the fact that for a man who claims that the government need to get out of business he is supporting a law that doesn't allow an independent business owner to set the prices on their own products. Which might be considered a government intrusion by some people......

yuvgot2bkidding
Salt Lake, Utah

Mr. Valentine needs to quit trying to legislate his version of 'morality.' I believe the "intent" of 'free agency' is to let people choose for themselves and "we really mean it."

Jeromeo
Salt Lake City, UT

Hey Noolekaboodle! Cheers. I didn't learn how to NOT be an over compensating drinker until I moved out of State. If the Control Monsters would simply stop making it such a big deal, it wouldn't be!

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Hold on here..... in a state that prides itself on being the free enterprise hub no the universe, it wants to get into the business of setting prices for legally operated businesses. Is the senator saying that Target should not be allowed to discount its products at will to pull customers from the Walmart down the street.

This is the antipathy of free market. I thought Utah didn't believe government should interfere with peoples rights to choose. I am not a drinker, have seen the damage it has done to peoples lives... but this in my book is yet another over reach of government.

Richard Votaw
Sandy, UT

If there is anybody that can credibly BEAT Valentine in the next race, I will contribute $5000 do their campaign. This man is a total embarassment to the state of Utah and its people that he feels are children that need to be managed. I sincerely believe that if he had his way, drinking anything other than water in this state would be illegal.

dave
Park City, UT

"That seems like a subterfuge to me," Yes it is. You pass foolish anti-freedom, anti-business laws and that is what you get. We will do everything we can to usurp, subvert, go around and fight your lunacy.

In fact, a good portion of your legislation could be considered subterfuge. The sleight of hand with the truth. The righteous zeal that you pass ridiculous alcohol policy. The disregard for the rights of people that do not believe as you. These are just a few examples of your legislation.

Dektol
Powell, OH

Does the Utah Government tell convenience stores and restaurants what they can charge for soft drinks? Why is Government involved in any way in what a business charges its customers? Sounds like Soviet Bloc thinking.

PGVikingDad
Pleasant Grove, UT

I am LDS, and I am embarrassed and shamed by Valentine's actions. His premise that this legislation is a public safety issue is clearly a sham. If he weren't Mormon, he wouldn't be doing this, plain and simple. time for him to be honest with himself. He repeatedly and consistently refuses to acknowledge that our religious beliefs should NOT be forcibly imposed on others. And, as others have stated, this flies directly in the face of his (and my) otherwise-capitalistic ideals. If my vote counted more than once, he'd be out of a job.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

John Valentine is a rally smart guy, and very thoughtful on issues, and I generally support him. However, he is just wrong on this one.

Attempts to legislate good behavior always fail. About all that can be done, realistically, it to criminalize and punish bad behavior. Instead of micromanaging the free market for a legal product, just pass a law (as if it does not already exist) to prohibit drunk driving and punish it with a hefty fine and long jail time. Frankly, I don't care if Bubba wants of get falling down drunk and takes a cab or has a friend drive him home. Nor is it any of the state's business, including any responsibility to fix Bubba's medical issues caused by his own free will choices.

Utah really needs to get out of the liquor rationing business, both at the wholesale (state store) and retail (Zion curtain and bar price) levels. Lots of more important issues need greater attention.

isrred
Logan, UT

Hurray for the free market! Oh wait...

Me, Myself and I
The Promised Land, UT

Changing drink prices isn't offering discounts or specials. It's changing the price. If a business decides to change a price on a product one day and then again the next all it is, is a price change. As long as they change the price on their menus it's no different than gas prices fluctuating up and down, a lot of times daily or over night. If the government wants to protect the people by regulating price changes then force gas stations to lower the price of fuel to where they should be around $1.50 to $2.00 per gallon. Not tell bars they can't change their prices on a daily basis.

Shawnm750
West Jordan, UT

There's an easy way around this for any of these places...it's called a "market price." Seafood restaurants do it all the time. Sure, they tell you the the price for King Crab is $25/lb, but you know that's not what they paid for it. Why not do the same with alcoholic drinks? Especially beer which, if it's on tap, gets purchased and replenished regularly. Just a thought...

From Ted's Head
Orem, UT

Hmmm...over-eaters at Chuckarama haven't been known to kill others whilst driving home. Just why is there a 1-2 second lag between a light going red one direction and turning green the other? Responsible government tries to protect the general populace from those irresponsible people who would do others harm. Does the delayed light change mean fewer people run red lights? No...just fewer accidents. It might even result in more people running red lights as they know there is a 2 second "grace period". Do Utah's restrictive liquor laws result in fewer alcohol-related injuries and fatalities? Probably. The fat guy at Chuckarama is just asking for a heart attack (which potentially could happen behind the wheel) but he isn't likely risking anyone else by his poor choice. The knucklehead in a club or restaurant downing "cheap drinks" in his inebriated stupor determines that he is one of the special few who can drive safely in said condition and puts everyone on the road he travels at risk. There are reasons that every state has liquor laws. Utah is not the only state that sees a potential problem with public consumption of alcohol.

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