I think Mia Love is being used as a political ploy. We as Utahns and Americans
are being used as well. And we will continue to be used all the more if Mia
gains more political steam and popularity because of her gender, race, religion,
and party. There is something there for everyone to gravitate to except solid
political balance. I see Mia Love as one who has been worked on and
manufactured by the hard right as something she might not otherwise be. Is Mia
extreme right in her thinking? I am not sure. I do think she has been strongly
influenced to be such while being sold as unique and special. I think she is by
the way. But I don't like the feeling I get in regards to my impression I
get about her having a diverse profile with non-diverse politics. By giving Mia
a voice and relevance, The right has enticed her to conform to their agenda.
That's politics for all. But Mia is a unique case for some to embrace,
others exploit, and many to misinterpret.
Before you call me a racist in regard to Mia Love, let us be equal with
republicans. We would have to have several nasty racists emails sent around by
high level democrats and question her birth certificate for 4 years even after
she's produced it and had it verified by a democrat govenor. The democrats
would need to sue her some 170 times in different courts that she isn't a
citizen and lose every time. Then we'd need a sub-democrat party to
occasionaly have outright racist posters, carry guns and chant, "take our
country back". Throw in white face "joker" posters you love so much
for good measure. And you would need at least half your crazy
democrat uncles flat out tell you that Love is not capable due to her race. Is
this really happening?
@RedshirtRush calling Sandra Fluke a slut, I would deem as hate
speech. Glenn Beck saying Obama has a hatred against white people, I would deem
hate speech. Other than that, Fox is horrendous when it comes to accuracy.
They are shoddy even for opinion journalism. Many of the good Tea Party people
watch Fox as their news source.I watch all the major networks (even
Fox now and then for laughs), read papers, check non-partisan reports for my
news. Everyone should be informed and look and consider all viewpoints. It is
fun to read the Romney Reader a.k.a the Deseret News. I just wonder what they
will do when it's all over.
@Redshirt"if you read my original post I was clear that many Obama
voters voted for him because of his skin color or else because of the freebies.
Not because they themselves were black and wanting freebies"Then
why in your current post..."If you wonder why black people were
voting for Obama, watch "Obamamessiah - full gas tanks for everyone!" on
YouTube. Or watch any other clip where you have people praising the
"free" stuff that is going to be given away."did you
explicitly say black people are voting for Obama because people are looking for
freebies? Fact is Obama only scored a couple percentage points higher among
black voters than Kerry did and seeing as Obama did a few points better against
McCain than Kerry did against Bush, that's what most of it is. So for the
most part it's something about the two parties. Same goes for the LDS
vote."How can the average person relate to Obama, if they
actually knew about his history."A lot more relatable than Mitt
Romney, that's for sure...
To "atl134" you are changing what was originally said. How can the
average person relate to Obama, if they actually knew about his history. Yes he
sounds and acts like somebody who grew up poor, but he didn't.If you wonder why black people were voting for Obama, watch "Obamamessiah
- full gas tanks for everyone!" on YouTube. Or watch any other clip where
you have people praising the "free" stuff that is going to be given
away. It isn't a racial thing, just a liberal mentality among the poor.
(if you read my original post I was clear that many Obama voters voted for him
because of his skin color or else because of the freebies. Not because they
themselves were black and wanting freebies). Don't try and twist my words
because that only shows how you have absolutely nothing to stand on.To "Wildcat" Rush, Hannity, and O'Reilly have never claimed to be
delivering the news. They are paid for the commentary and opinions. What you
deem hate speech is often just an opinion. If I say your haircut is ugly, is
that hate speech or just my opinion?
@Patriot,I'm glad you'll stop there, and go back listening
to such respectful people like Rush Limbaugh. MSNBC is progressive-slanted, no
doubts there, but it is to counter the corporate fascists of Fox News. I would
say they are far from hate speech. Leave that to Bill O'Reilly, Rush
Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and the ilk over there.
@RedshirtI would think that inner-city dwellers would have a fairly high
likelihood of thinking that an inner-city community organizer would deeply
understand the issues they face. Now what is the obsession you all
have with associating blacks with wanting freebies? You, patriot, and DN
Subscriber have all made this racist association. Last I checked, you
conservatives can't come up with a single thing you're willing to
sacrifice in order to help close the budget deficit at the same time you want
more tax cuts.
TO "UtahBlueDevil" but Obama didn't grow up like most Blacks in the
US. He spent much of his childhood outside the US. Is that common? He went to
an exclusive prep school in Hawaii, then went on to some Ivy league schools for
college. He has admitted that he spent much of his teen years stoned. I
don't know about you, but I doubt most blacks (or even whites) grew up like
Obama. The only people that have life experiences like Obama's are wealthy
kids with incompetent parents. Do you honestly think that people can relate to
how Obama grew up?Since he grew up in a way totally different then
they did, what does that leave to relate to? All that is left to relate to is
the color of his skin or the promises of "free" government programs.
@patriot"Praise Mia for WANTING to cut taxes and reduce the size of
government - this is the kind of thinking that will help ALL Americans!"What do we gain by giving the rich massive tax cuts (where's their
sacrifice?) while the poor and elderly have to shoulder the deficit reduction?
That's not balanced, that's not fair, and that's not any sort of
system that would help America's situation right now, especially when
cutting gov't spending eliminates jobs (we've lost over half a million
jobs because of gov't cuts during the Obama administration, mostly at the
state and local level). If we're going to engage in deficit reduction,
fine, let's just be fair about it and make everyone actually sacrifice
something. No shiny new tax cuts for the rich, no increases to defense spending.
That's why I oppose Mia Love, because she's just another vote for the
Paul Ryan budget. @UtahBlueDevilNot to mention people thinking
you needed affirmative action to get into college, nevermind that the guy ended
up as head of the Harvard Law Review.
re:WildcatHA!! Your description of MSNBC would make one think this
is a balanced and legit network News program. Good grief - please stop with the
nonsense. MSNBC Ed Shultz , Chris Mathews and other insane "hate speech"
bomb throwers have said some of THE most disgusting things imaginable about
conservative women and conservative blacks. This network is a literal sewer of
liberal hate ,propaganda and complete hypocrisy. I think I'll stop there.
re:UtahBlueDevilBarack Obama has absolutely nothing - and I mean
nothing - that African Americans can really look to and identify with. Certainly
there are many inspirational people out there in the African American community
who have started out in poverty and risen to great heights due to their own hard
work as a student and businessman or perhaps their patriotism as a solider
etc... Barack Obama's mysterious jump into Harvard doesn't make sense.
His grades were not grades you would expect from a Harvard student. Also his pot
smoking college days were hardly inspirational. He did "brag" and laugh
about his drug taking in college on the Leno show this past year but again -
what is so inspirational about that? Drugs destroy lives and it was appalling to
hear him make lite of his wild times. George Soros and other communist's
groomed Barack and I'm sure pulled lots of strings to get him into the
right college and the right political office. The 2016 documentary showing in
theaters details a lot Barack's shady past and reveals to Americans a
glimpse into a life most never knew - especially in 2008.
@UtahBlueDevil"and there is real intent and support behind her - more
than just a token validating diversity within the ranks of the
conservatives."Well... let's put it this way... how many
first time house/senate candidates who have only been a very small-town mayor or
state rep get convention speeches? I don't know the answer to that but
it's gotta be a small number.@DN Subscriber"What the
liberals really fear is a smart, articulate, woman leader who espouses strong
conservative views, and unapologetically rejects the traditional liberal
insistence that all blacks stay on the liberal welfare plantation and vote
straight Democrat."Hold on a minute... you attack liberals for
someone making the "anchor baby" comment (which I can't find so I
guess it was removed later, and I completely agree with you that that comment is
offensive and unacceptable) but then you use the phrase "liberal welfare
plantation"?@Patriot" I mean aren't all blacks
supposed to talk and think the same - the liberal way - the entitlement way -
the freeloader way??"Freeloader way? Then why do liberals care
so much about expanding access to higher education so more kids can seek better
Patriot... you just don't get it. "Privileged" life style has
absolutely nothing to do with it. What it does have to do with is being told
you can't have the same jobs another person has. It is being told because
of your skin color that perhaps you were not a valiant in the pre-existence, and
until recently history, hold the priesthood or enjoy the blessing of the temple.
It has to b e with parents not wanting their white kids dating a black kid. It
has to do with people assuming you are into hip-hop and rap, because of the
color of your skin. If you consider those factors "nonsense!!!', then
you had better look for a bigger circle of friends. You see, I
don't have to rely on reference to people I have never met to form my
opinion. I live in a city that is half/half... and I don't need to go far
to see the impacts of racial bias. We have come a long way... but there are
certain shared experiences that do bind people... mormons it is temple marriage,
missions, seminary. For others, it is those I listed above.
@Patriot,Actually, MSNBC has the former chair of the GOP Michael
Steele as a paid consultant. I have never seen any one on MSNBC attack him for
not being truly African-American. Also, Ron Christie, also African-American
appears as a conservative guest commentator, and again, I have not seen one
person attack him as well.No one attacks Congressmen West for his
race, they attack him for his over-the-top rhetoric, like when he said he
believes there 70-80 members of the communist party in Congress. As long as
some fools believe in rhetoric like that, there will always be a continuation of
such nonsense--which does our entire country a great disservice.
re:NoodlekaboodleLiberala - such as yourself - simply can't
accept the fact that here is a black woman who is not following the expected
path - politically and ideology speaking. Liberals and democrats
"assume" all African Americans want big government and entitlements and
the minute any black person dares to step out of this liberal stereotype they
are attacked and labeled as being "not a real African American" and
these are NOT my words - these are the words of liberal hypocrites like Al
Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson and of course the bad guys on MSNBC. Finally PLEASE
don't use the word "racist" with my comments - THEY ARE NOT!! My
comments were meant to show the ugly side of the democratic party and liberal
mindset which according to African American congressman Alan West are
"enslaving" his people with entitlements and attacking ANY African
American who dares to go against the grain. Congressman West has received more
than his share of liberal "hate" speech for being a conservative and for
no other reason. Praise Mia for WANTING to cut taxes and reduce the size of
government - this is the kind of thinking that will help ALL Americans!
re:UtahBlueDevilFirst of all my comments regarding African
American's mind set is according to how liberals and The Democratic Party
wants them to think - to live and to follow. Listen to MSNBC and you will see
what I mean. ANY African American - like Mia - who dares step out of line from
what liberals and democrat's consider the "norm" are attacked as
being "not real African Americans". Congressman Alan West - who is
African American - has spoken a lot about this - google Congressman West's
speeches. Also you said "Blacks vote for Obama for the same reason you are
voting for Romney - because they have a shared life experience and can relate to
the person". This is complete NONSENSE!!! What "shared life
experience" are you talking about? Obama had a fairly "privileged"
upbringing not common at all to most blacks. Also Obama's communist
influence growing up is completely foreign to the majority of blacks. Dr Martin
Luther Kings grand daughter - who is NOT an Obama disciple - has urged all
African Americans to do as her grandfather taught and judge the man NOT on the
color of his skin but on the content of his character.
@PatriotCongratulations for bringing racism to the conversation. Not one
person with a "liberal" perspective degraded Mrs. Love for her race,
only her policies. Which, by the way, is what you should base your vote on. If
you are doing your job as a citizen your voting criteria should be how much you
agree with a candidates policy. For instance, I would never vote for Mia Love,
not because she is black or because Matheson is white. I wouldn't vote for
her because she is a hypocrite. Saratoga Spring property taxes were raised 200%
while she was in office, yet she claims she doesn't support new taxes, she
took a government loan to get a college education, now she wants to cut those
I can relate the fires that surrounded their community as the dangers of the
environment that would have enveloped the United States of America without some
types of control. She wanted the federal monies to put out the fires. I look
at foreign countries that don't have the equivalent of the EPA and those
countries have ruined their rivers and wildlife and forests due to
non-controlling people and businesses that know and should have known the
results. The Congress has abilities to control agencies as does the President
who appoints the leaders over those agencies and departments. The EPA and other
federal agencies have public processes to go through, usually, that prevent them
from overreaching their powers. However, in political years, people running for
office say, "If elected," I will go and clean up that or take care of
that agency. They are one of 425 plus people. EPA is not just a one party
agency. It depends on the Congressional district and the impact the EPA or any
other agency has had on those citizens. It can be perceived as either good or
bad. Representative Matheson has done a good job for Utah but is a
Patriot... your comments are absolutely insulting. " I mean
aren't all blacks supposed to talk and think the same - the liberal way -
the entitlement way - the freeloader way??"What percentage of
blacks do you think are living the "freeloader" way? How many black
families are you friends with? How many attend your ward? How many in your
neighborhood?In the town I live in now, there are people I associate
with on a daily basis that had to attend a segregated school system. There are
still signs down at one of the old factories that read "whites only".
To pretend that many of these people had the same chance at life that your
parents did is a screaming example of ignorance. Blacks were not allowed to
live in the same neighborhoods, attend the same schools, hold the same jobs,
attend the same Universities, worship at the same churches, nor be buried in the
same graveyards. It wasn't a choice, it was law.Blacks vote
for Obama for the same reason you are voting for Romney - because they have a
shared life experience and can relate to the person. Please stop degrading
comments about people you don't know.
A1994Centerville, UTThe entire ideology of Barack Obama and
the modern Democratic party cand be condensed into one phrase: Rather than
"We the people" they believe in "We, the Government."@A1994 - here is the difference, a liberal truly doesn't see a
distinction between the two, where as a conservative does. A liberal sees the
government acting in the peoples name - whether for good or bad. A conservative
views the government as being something detached from the people, and enemy, and
something to be fought against.In many way, both are right.
Anything can become corrupt, businesses, churches and governments. But
regardless, it is still the peoples government - and we can't walk away
from it saying we don't hold responsibility in assuring it acts in our name
appropriately. Being a representative body, it will often act in ways we
don't personally approve - that is what democracy enables. But in the
end, our government, and even Obama serve at our pleasure, and holds not power
unto himself unless it is granted to him. And we go through this process every
4 years.Maybe there will be change, maybe not. The people (and
PACs) will decide that.
It is appalling to see the intensity of the dislike, or fear, that some liberals
(or self proclaimed "moderates") have for Mia Love, and the venomous
slurs they cast on her."Anchor baby?" Why do the censors
allow this when it is neither accurate (her parents came here LEGALLY) nor
anything but a thinly veiled racial epithet.What the liberals really
fear is a smart, articulate, woman leader who espouses strong conservative
views, and unapologetically rejects the traditional liberal insistence that all
blacks stay on the liberal welfare plantation and vote straight Democrat.By their shrill attacks, the liberals have shown us that they really
fear Mia Love.She will be a GREAT Congressperson, and has to courage
and wisdom to attack and fix many of the serious problems afflicting our country
today.And her first official vote will NOT be for Nancy Pelosi to be
Speaker, like Jim Matheson has done after every election he won.
the fact that a woman of color is representing the state of Utah at the
conversion, that is all goodness. It challenges some notions the left has about
Utah, and I am sure it challenges some of the more conservatives on the right as
well. My hope for her is that she is just not being used as a political poly,
and there is real intent and support behind her - more than just a token
validating diversity within the ranks of the conservatives.I wish
her luck and hope she represents herself and the state o Utah well.
A two minute speech. Really. That's not a speech. What a dissapointment.
Regardless of you feel about her I would like to hear what she haa to say.
Will she use a teleprompter? Will all of you who ridicule our current president
for using one also ridicule Mrs. Love if she uses it?
I met Mia Love in a small "meet the candidate" gathering in the home of
an active Democrat neighbor and was favorably impressed with Mia's ability
to clearly explain her history and ideas...Unfortunately, her ideas have become
more extreme after that meeting which took place before she became the
Republican candidate at the Utah Republican Convention. Freedomingood quite clearly stated how I feel about Mia's ideas and
plans. I as a moderate Republican, now plan to vote for Jim Matheson.
from agb: "It is interesting to see the same liberals who cry any
opposition to Obama as racist vehemently oppose Mia Love"Not
really. Do you have any proof of racial motivation for disliking Mrs. Love? The
criticism I see is about her policies; EVERY Tea Party candidate is strongly
opposed by liberals. If you have to bring racism into it, it seems more racist
of the GOP to trot her out as an example of an African American conservative.
From the article:" 'The Republican Party is trying to do
it's best to produce a diverse face' and Love's personal story
provides a counter to the party's difficulties with African-American and
A two minute speech seems more like a token opportunity...unfortunately it seems
more like being offered a technical academy award Oscar than any real meaningful
presence in the limelight of the National Republican Convention. It's
quite sad really for Utah, especially with Romney being Utah's favorite
Wow, she gets a whole 2 minutes. Why is this a news story before her little
brief remarks? One certainly couldn't call 2 minutes a speech, I
don't believe.Interesting, all this hype....and boring, too.
agb,It's not just liberals who oppose Mia Love, but also moderates
and many conservatives. And it has nothing to do with race. They also oppose the
policies of Jason Chaffetz and Mike Lee. Utah doesn't need another
extremist politician who's not representing the majority of constituents.
It is interesting to see the same liberals who cry any opposition to Obama as
racist vehemently oppose Mia Love
Now let's see if I understand this, Mayor Love. If you get your way
you're going to take away my social security and meticare benefits. Right?
The entire ideology of Barack Obama and the modern Democratic party cand be
condensed into one phrase: Rather than "We the people" they believe in
"We, the Government."
So her parents came to America for a better life. I suppose the US was better
because? Could it be all that social investing we have been doing for the last
80 years? Good schools, college loans, safety nets without every grandad and
grandma out in the streets looking for a job instead of the new family from
Haiti?Mia Love likes to start her speeches with a quote from her dad
that they never took a handout. Well Sir, you kinda did. That is why you moved
here because this country was way easier to get ahead in than Haiti. That's
ok, we invested in your kids education and she's doing well. But it's
not true that you never took a handout.And now she wants to
eliminate the Department of Education, the EPA and cut food stamps by half.Another version of the song ' I got mine now to heck with everyone
else' the republican anthem.
The entire ideology of Tea Party candidates can be condensed into one phrase:
Rather than "We the People", they believe in "I, the
A quick search shows Mia Love is a double downed T-party member ready to slash
the EPA. That's right, what we need to do is dirty up the air
and water more cause that always helps the economy. what is it with
republicans and clean air?