@JustGordon"It is sad commentary that a hate movie, deeply
rooted to the same kind of propagandistic lies practiced in Europe during WW
II"Really? Isn't that a bit melodramatic?You
forget the other vapid left wing talking points of labeling all dissent as being
"racist" and a "war on women"; because we all know that
politically incorrect speech must be deemed hate speech and silenced
immediately, otherwise the left wing fantasy world would immediately collapse
under the weight of its own hypocrisy.
Interesting..... Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 was rated "R".
2016 is rated PG. Now LDS can what this!
I really don't get you liberals. Don't you want prosperity? I worked
for Novell for 18 years and the CEO (Ray Noorda) was worth about 250 million.
Ray was a GREAT CEO and because of his great business sense thousands of Utah
residents had high paying careers for 20+ years. Novell's success made all
sorts of other success's happen from education to spinning off other small
business's. What is it with liberals that makes them despise success? What
good does unemployment do? What good does thousands on food stamps do? Do you
people really want socialist Europe? Do you want bankruptcy and despair? Holy
smokes enough is enough. George Washington was VERY wealthy for his day - do you
despise Washington because of his wealth? Stop equating wealth to something evil
and bad. I think most Americans actually WANT a competent, successful man as
president. Success breeds more success. How many people that you know that have
lived under communist rule actually praise the wonderful prosperity that
communism affords? ZERO!!! The wealth redistribution garbage breeds failure and
misery in the end - EVERY TIME. Wake up and know your history. Please!!!
To "Truthseeker" you claim to seek the truth, but fail to recognize it
when it is presented:1. See Forbes article "CBO: Obamacare Will
Spend More, Tax More, and Reduce the Deficit Less Than We Previously
Thought". Obamacare has gone from $944 billion estimate to a $1,856 billion
estimate by 2012.2. The Republicans during the Bush administration
attempted to reign in the banks, but Democrats Barny Frand and Chriss Dodd
stopped the bills from leaving committee.3. Actually they would
have. What wouldn't have survived the bailout was the UAW.4.
Actually jobs didn't hit rock bottom until September 2010 when total
non-farm jobs hit their low of 129885000 jobs (according to the BLS). If the
recession was over in June 2009, why is it that jobs didn't start to come
back for 4 months, then they have just trickled in and have not met population
growth?5. Wrong again, according to the Status of Forces Agreement
signed by Bush in November 2008, troops had to leave Iraq by December 2011.
Bush did concern himself with troop withdrawal after all.6. Bush
era policies on interrogation is what led to Bin Laden.
#1 Not true. ACA costs are not more than projected, Republicans have
distorted(lied) about what the report actually stated. From factcheck:
“Looking strictly at the CBO's analysis of the budget effect of the
health care law, it is a deficit-reducer, both in the short and long
term.” #2 Name-calling? Very mature. Did Republicans put
forth a bill to break up the big banks? Have they proposed any regulation to
prevent a repeat of the fiscal crisis? #3 GM/Chrysler
wouldn't have survived without a bailout. According to the judge who
presided over Chrysler's bankruptcy in 2009, the company would not have
survived without the bailout. #4 Stimulus passed Feb. 2009. End of
the recession, June 2009, but jobs didn't bottom out until Dec. 2009. At
the beginning of 2010, jobs began to be added. 128 Republican House legislators
were proud to take credit for the stimulus jobs in their districts they did not
vote for. #5 The Democrats, including Obama, pushed for troop
withdrawal long before Bush did. #6 Bush disbanded the Bin Laden
unit. For 8 yrs Bush had the opportunity to find and eliminate Bin Laden. He
Anybody wanna take bets on whether this film will be nominated for the Best
Documentary Oscar? Objectively, it deserves at least a nomination, but I
wouldn't bet on it to win, since the Oscars take place in Hollywood.
Truthseeker, Signed a healthcare reform law - that was contrary to
his promises, costs more than projected, was passed only after buying off
senators, and based on enough lies to let Pinnochio touch the moon, and was
opposed by the majoroity of the populationPassed/signed Wall Street
Reform - dudd-frank does not qualify, does not address toobigtofail, and
stiffles finance rather than regulates itRecapitalized Banks –
nope, TARP did thatRescued American automakers – nope, GM and
Chrysler still went BK, as mitt said they should.Signed a stimulus
bill which halted the shedding of jobs and began to grow the economy. –
nope, according to the NYT, only $28.5 B of the $700B package had been spent by
May 5, 2009 and the recession ended in June 2009 – it was not the
porkulus, but TARP.Ended the war in Iraq – under the timetable
and criteria bush set. BO was negotiating to stay longerEliminated
Bin Laden – using techniques bush established, that BO said he would
discontinueDADT was a Clinton policyIf all this is so
wonderful, why is his campaign focused on “killing Romney” rather
than touting his accomplishments?
To "Hemlock" I sure hope the film is correct. All they did was to read
Obama's own book, then go to those locations to speak with people who knew
Obama's father or other people mentioned in Obama's book.If the film portrays lies, then Obama's book is full of lies.
KJB 1 I did read the article. The movie claims Obama's father was mostly
non existent in his life. Then claims his politics was heavily influenced by
his father. Which is it. You can't have it both ways. I don't hate
Obama. I don't support him either. The far right is motivated by hate.
Tune in Hannity or Limbaugh. I guarantee within three seconds you will hear
Obama's name. There is no doubtt in my mind they truly hate him. I fear
Romney does to and that dissapoints me. I have never seen our nation so divided
and politics so partisan. I blame both parties and talk radio is behind a lot
of it. Recently Sean Hannity was spouting off about how the left is guilty of
being uncivil. A minute later his guest referred Vice President Biden as an old
Geezer. What a hypocrite. One has to wonder what is behind it. I fear it goes
beyond partisan politics. Draw your own conclusions.
I actually hadn't heard about this movie until I saw this article (probably
because Deseret news is the only anti-Obama newspaper I read). Anyway, after
doing a little research I found that it is probably not a good idea to compare
this to a Michael Moore film. Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" has an 85%
rating on Rotten Tomatoes and this film has a 45% rating. While it would be
interesting to see what this film maker has to say about our president, films
with such low ratings are guaranteed to be done poorly.
KJB I did read the article about the Muddy Facts. Very informative. The movie
claims Obama's father was mostly non existent in his life. Then claims
Obama's father was a huge influence on his political philosophy. Which is
it? You can't have it both ways. I am a not an Obama supporter. I just
don't hate the man. Tune in Limbaugh or Hannity and I guarantee you will
Obama's name within five seconds. The far right hates Obama. For the
first time in American history we have a president who is not a white caucasian.
I just can't wonder why people hate him so much. They say it is his
policies. I think it goes beyond policies and politics . Draw your own
conclusions. The politics of fear and hate are taking over this country. I
hold both parties equally responsible. We are a divided nation. Why does
everything have to be us vs them. I am mostly dissapointed in Mitt Romney. I
actually hoped his campaign would take a higher road. Instead it is politics as
@KJB1Haters will never let a few facts rain on their conspiracy
It is too bad this President doesn't see whatthe impact of his policies or
lack of policies have done to a nation. It is a shame the Congress,
Representatives and Senators, allowed their quick actions on some things and no
actions on more important life issues have brought people to make a movie like
this. The President lowered the Office of the President of the United States of
America when he started speaking down to us as citizens and that our ideas and
suggestions were for naught as he knew better. This is not a Kingdom and for
about 3 centuries, people have done well with developing the process that has
been in place for that time. Presidents are not kings and thankfully don't
have the power to wave their staff and make things law. The system works and as
with Czars of the past their edict to other government officials don't make
things better since they are not empowered by law only by financing through the
President's plan. We are a nation by the people and for the
people not for a select few and those that subvert the US Constitutional
principles of government.
Is this documentary anti-Obama or is it simply the "real" Obama? I
suspect the latter. Too bad we didn't know this in 2008.
Look at the main page of Yahoo right and you'll find the Associated Press
article "Anti-Obama film muddy on facts." I won't copy it here,
but it sums up how often the film leaps to conclusions based of half-truths (the
bust of Churchill was scheduled to be returned to Britain before Obama even took
office) or no evidence at all (Never mind killing Bin Laden and the drone
strikes. Obama is still "weirdly sympathetic to Muslim jihadists.")Not that that'll have any effect on those determined to hate Obama
no matter what, but still, it's worth reading.
I've seen this movie and I've seen several Michael Moore films as
well. They are not comparable. Mr. D'Souza does an excellent job in using
Obama's words to show his true character. To compare this to a Michael
Moore film is like saying an apple is really a potato.
Ben Stein's movie is titled "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed".
The abbreviated title in the article is misleading.
The documentary is intriguing exposing the the general public little known and
unknown critical aspects of the uncommon heritage and life of the future
President. The way in which the author, takes us in this journey and the
logical connection of the dots which are all in front of us although scattered,
reveals a very concerning scenario which should matter to any fellow American,
regardless of his political belief.I'm not so sure its
anti-Obama as much as its facts about Obama we didn't know. It appears to
be well documented and explains ALOT!
"Liberals are so disgustingly hypocritical!"Why thank
you.... you set a high bar for us all to try to rise up to. "To all you liberals - the truth hurts. I challenge any of you to answer
the questions above from 22ozn44ozglass. Crickets, crickets."So
I suspect that all those who complain about Michael Moore films have seem them
as well. Or those who complained about the makers of "south park"
Broadway play, they all saw the movie before they commented as well.. We are
all using the same standard here - correct. "Conservatives" don't
comment on things they haven't seen therefor setting the precedent that
commnets should not be made on things you haven't seen yourself.....
right?It is funny how easy it is to call the other side out for what
both sides do. It is just that one side feels justified, the other are
hypocrites A1994 - you really believe Romney is perfect....? good
grief. THere was only one of those so far, and his name wasn't Romney.
t was nice to come out of church on Sunday and find little flyers for this movie
littering all the cars in the parking lot. I wouldn't waste
the money to see a movie about a presidential candidate during an election no
matter which party he was from. So what has this radical president
done while in office? Signed a healthcare reform law based on a
plan that originated from Republicans like Mitt Romney and conservative think
tanks.Passed/signed Wall Street Reform Recapitalized BanksRescued American automakers. Signed a stimulus bill which halted the
shedding of jobs and began to grow the economy. Ended the war in Iraq.Eliminated Bin Laden.Repealed "Don't Ask Don't
Tell"Signed Lily Lidbetter Equal Pay Actto name a few.
Just another attempt by Republicans to frame Obama as the
"other" a foreign, un-American president, while lauding their candidate
who has money stashed in the Cayman Islands who won't even release tax
UtahBlueDevil - Well said!
Certainly neither political party nor their constituents will be surprised to
see a similar film presented to the nation just prior to the November election.
Only one difference, this blockbuster will feature the epic story of the out of
touch Republican candidate, and his numerous mansions full of financial and
unethical mysteries. Don't imagine anyone will want to argue about
this, as the public has been warned of what's to come.
I saw this movie today. It is very informative and FYI is also scripted from
Obama's own words. So how can that be called hate speech? The commentary
is the informative part and very well researched with the truth and source of
the ideology of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. The book titled, "Dreams From My
Father," are just that.If anyone would take the time to listen
and hear what they SEE, they would understand the deep feelings of BHO, SR. The
son has followed those things to the letter. The author, Danesh
D'Souza, from East India has more or less uncovered the truth behind what
was stated in the book. The movie is narrated by Barry himself so how it can be
called hate speech is beyond me. IT is a must to see it and
understand where and why this President's intent is to take the USA.
What I like is how objective it is. Repubs always tell the truth.
re:22ozn44ozglass" Obama has gone to great lengths/spent millions to
keep his college transcripts, his admissions to college, his published"Are Obama’s early records “sealed”?No. Many
records that presidential candidates don’t ordinarily release do remain
confidential, but they are not “sealed” by a court. The 16 claims in
a widely distributed graphic are mostly false or distorted.FactcheckJuly 31, 2012"social security number inconsistencies"Rumors about Obama's SSN began circulating in 2010 alleging that
the number belonged to a deceased man who immigrated to the U.S. from France and
resided in Hawaii. That proved to be fiction. This sparked additional
inquires as to why Obama's SSN began with 042, the three digit
classification for Connecticut. According to the SSA, "The Area Number is
assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local
Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the
State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the
State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in
any Social Security office." (truthorfiction)
@nan BW and you know it is well researched how exactly? because it agrees
with your preconceived notions?
"And for those who think this is disgraceful and hateful, remember, there
was a movie made about the assassination of George W. Bush that showed a very
realistic shooting scene. There was also at least one book about the same topic
that was disgusting."So two wrongs make it right..... gotcha.
And before that all the nastiness toward the Clintons... and Janet
Reno because of her looks.... we can just keep gong back all you want. Want to
discuss Swiftboat?This is a former LDS Stake President running for
office - he is the most visible Mormon in the nation right now. And this is how
his campaign conducts itself. I surely hope we as a church body don't let
the worst of our society, if that is what Michael More is, set our moral
standards for us. Perhaps we do have the gospel in its completeness.... but by
not living it and being an example.... we are worse than those that don't
know.Neither of these campaigns is acting Presidential, but I hold
one of them to a higher standard than the other. Hate is not a gospel
principle, in any form of Christianity.
As my mother used to say garbage in garbage out and yes I feel the same way
about Michael Moore.
I virtually never go to movies, but I might make this an exception. Well
researched documentaries have merit, and we do need to make informed decisions
before we head for the polls. I've enjoyed the comments on the article!
The movie 2016 is at Jordan Commons at 94000S and State in Sandy. Check other
theatres as well.
There is also a book that can add to this info.Read "The Amateur".
Liberals are so disgustingly hypocritical!
I saw the movie. To all you liberals - the truth hurts. I challenge
any of you to answer the questions above from 22ozn44ozglass. Crickets,
crickets.It is no wonder Obama will say, or do anything to maintain
power. This country will be defeated, not by any foreign power, but by the enemy
from within.You all keep drinking the Cool-Aid. You will get what
you deserve. Mark it down.
I plan to go see this movie as soon as I can figure out where it's showing.
It would take some doing to change my mind about Obama or Romney, but it's
the responsibility of any American to at least listen to and consider ideas and
statements from all sides.As BYUAlum said, "Very thought
provoking indeed. A must see if you love this country. Any liberal without clear
vision won't like this movie. You have to have eyes to see and ears to
hear!"But with a few words changed, his comment could also apply
to the Michael Moore movies that were so detested by conservatives -- most of
whom I'll bet never went to see any of them. So how about we turn that
around just a bit and say, "Very thought provoking indeed. A must see if you
love this country. Any conservative without clear vision won't like any
Michael Moore movie. You have to have eyes to see and ears to hear!A
closed mind is a closed mind, whether it be conservative or liberal. And that,
neighbors, is a big part of the problem.
@UtahBlueDevil"Can you imagine the howling in Utah had something
like this been released about Romney..."Romney has no baggage.
It would be impossible to make something like this on Romney. That's the
knock against him. He's led too boring (depending on your perspective)
life. I haven't seen this movie so I can't comment on it. But I did
read Dinesh D'Souza's book, "What's So Great About
America" and I didn't see anything from him in that book that could be
considered extreme.And for those who think this is disgraceful and
hateful, remember, there was a movie made about the assassination of George W.
Bush that showed a very realistic shooting scene. There was also at least one
book about the same topic that was disgusting.
This "documentary" came in eighth on a slow weekend at the box office.
Let's see where it goes now that all the Obama haters have gone...
Ooohhhh, the leftist nuts are seething! That stupid freedom of speech clause
sure can be a nuisance when it gets used by the wrong people! Ha Ha
Michael Moore and his films were gleefully accepted as fact by the left. Watch
their discomfort when the real Barack Obama is uncovered. If only a small
portion of this film were true it should make Mr. Obama a one-term president.
one old man/JustGordonHave you seen the entire movie prior to making
this post? Y or N? What specifically about this movie equates to
propaganda other than your opinion? Have you done any objective open
minded independent research of your own to either validate or to disprove the
majority of points/issues/questions raised in this film? What
specifically qualifies this movie as "a hate movie"? What makes you
privy to the thoughts and intents of this movie's writers? What
specifically are the propagandist lies contained in this movie? Accusations & emotionally charged, inflammatory verbiage and cliche's
add little to this discussion especially when they are not supported by
objective facts. Obama has gone to great lengths/spent millions to keep his
college transcripts, his admissions to college, his published writings as a
member of Harvard Law Review, his selective service card abnormalities and his
social security number inconsistencies sealed up and hidden. For a president who
preached transparency as a candidate, as President, Obama has been anything but
@one old man and JustGordon - typical responses from happily deluded Obama
followers. You haven't seen the movie, and can't point to a single
claim from the documentary that is inaccurate. If it's not sunshine about
Obama, then by default it's either a lie or should not be disclosed. No
need to open your eyes, ears, or mind. Now THAT'S a sad
If a liberal disagrees with a conservative, the liberal calls it “free
speech”. If a conservative disagrees with a liberal, the liberal calls it
Can you imagine the howling in Utah had something like this been released about
Romney.... This is swift boating taken to the extreme. And all the little tea
party types, done with there rallies are flocking to the theater to reaffirm
their hatred. What a pathetically sad state we are now in our civil history.
For a short time, we preached togetherness, relished the
multi-cultural multi-national fabric that made this nation strong. Now were
back to habits of the past... really truly pathetic.Pride and
hatred walking hand in hand....
Excellent movie! Everyone should see 2006-Obama's America--especially those
who voted for Obama without knowing much about his clear adgenda in 2008.
Everything in it is backed up by Barack Obama in his very own words. This is NOT
propaganda, but clear facts. This man, Dinesh D'Souza from
India, is a contemporary of Obama's who was born the same year and came to
America the same year as he. Mr. D'Sousa had some questions, traveled back
to Obama's homeland, used his transcript reading from BHO's book,
Dreams By My Father, and got the answers. Very thought provoking indeed. A must
see if you love this country. Any liberal without clear vision won't like
this movie. You have to have eyes to see and ears to hear!
Michael Moore makes these films it's educational.If a republican does
these films it's mitt Romney behind it.Nerves are easily touched I
see.See ya in November
I love it! The same people who hang on Michael Moore's every word are now
up in arms. LOL!
It is sad commentary that a hate movie, deeply rooted to the same kind of
propagandistic lies practiced in Europe during WW II should be grossing millions
of dollars in 21st Century America. If there was a Berlin Film Festival that
courted the profane, I am sure this film would be contending for its
There are propagandists of all kinds. Now the Republicans have the equivalent
of Michael Moore.Dinesh D'Souza, the producer who bankrolled
this movie is an import from India. Could he be pushing support for Mitt
because he's trying to get Mitt into a position in which he can outsource
even more American jobs to India?