Representative Chaffetz and and candidate Mia Love are only token minorities for
Mitt. The rish and famos real don't care about the little people.
Its like everything else the government touches when it stupidly subsidizes all
these things. When it subsidizes student loans, it is subsidizing the school and
all of its inefficiencies, just a much a the student. The student just gets left
holding the bill. When it subsidizes rents, it is subsidizing the landlord, and
altering the true market, just as much as it is subsidizing the tenet. When it
subsidized business and industry, it is subsidizing and altering the true market
of all these products, vertically up through the supply channels. When it
subsidizes the foodstamp user, it subsidizes the supermarket and all it's
suppliers, and again alters the true market price of all these items. On and on
this bad policy goes, with everything the government does is subsidizing.
Didn't even talk about healthcare, union wages, and farmers! It's
really just a way to buy votes!
I think almost all of us line up for our turn at any free money trough we
encounter. However I also think that most if not all of us want to play by the
rules and expect that others will as well. Just because I took money for
education does not mean that I think it is a good idea for the Federal
Government to be involved in near unlimited lending for education. I think it is
unwise to borrow too much for education and I consider it just as unwise to lend
it or otherwise encourage large debt. Mia Love, nor any other
politician, cannot be held adversely accountable for playing by the rules when
they express desire to change the rules.I agree that we have
handicapped our youth in the pursuit of education. We have prevented them from
having jobs early enough to earn and save for college over many years. We have
written rules that penalize families that save for college. We have spoiled them
in providing all of their needs and most of their wants so that there remains
almost no link between having and education.America can do better.
Other cultures do.
@RedshirtBut yeah, you are right about that rule being in effect. I had
just assumed that policy was destroyed via GOP filibuster since I knew it
wasn't part of the student loan change I mentioned.
@Redshirt"With tens of thousands of dollars in debt, the maximum
monthly payment is a set percent of my income, then after 20 years I can have my
loan forgiven (not paid back)."I would think that the vast
majority of people will still end up paying at least the original balance if
you're taking away 10% of their income for 20 years.
To "atl134" once again, you show your ignorance of Obama policies. See
the NY Times article "Clearing Up Some Confusion About the New Federal
Student Loan Rules". Under the current set of rules, I can go to Harvard
and major in Sociology, then flip burgers for the rest of my career after that.
With tens of thousands of dollars in debt, the maximum monthly payment is a set
percent of my income, then after 20 years I can have my loan forgiven (not paid
back).So, the loans are not required to be paid back.
To the commenters here lamenting the lack of personal responsibility by
today's youth:Have any of you looked into the costs of a
college degree lately? You can't go grab a job waiting tables to pay your
way through to a bachelor's degree any more. Those days are long gone.
@DN SubscriberUh... student loans will be paid back, they kinda have to be
since they're just about the only thing that can't be gotten rid of if
someone files for bankruptcy. The only giveaway was the old system where the
banks would give out federally backed loans, thus giving 0 risk to banks, and
they get to rake in a bunch of money from high interest rates. You even already
know this and yet you want to return to that system so I have to ask... which
bank do you work for?
There have been numerous reports that Mia Love sought and accepted Federal
dollars to help "balance the budget" in Saratoga Springs.Are
those reports true or not?Could Deseret News do some investigative
reporting and let your readers know the truth?If those claims are
true and Mia is now campaigning on cutting the spending on a Federal level,
then voters need to know. If she did indeed accept Federal dollars for her
city, then her current television ad is a falsehood.
Perhaps we need to have higher expectations of our youth. Perhaps they need to
expect to have to pay for some of their college education and learn to save
money rather than spend whatever they earn. Perhaps they should be expected to
be students rather than participants in wild, alcoholic orgies which are
frequent on our college campuses. Perhaps if we expected them to demonstrate a
greater degree of maturity at 12 or 16, they wouldn't find the need to
borrow so much for their education.Admittedly, a higher education is
expensive, even at state schools. In Illinois, attending UofI is about $6k per
semester for incoming freshmen. But there are alternatives. For example, the
local community college is only $1300 per semester. And there are ways around
expensive texts. I have a son who just saved $200 on one textbook by getting it
through inter-library loan. Amazon also frequently has used texts for much
cheaper than the college bookstore.Bottom line, I think Miss Love is
expecting an 18 year old to take some personal responsibility for his/her
education. As the father of five children, I agree.
Representative Chaffetz hasn't even been mentioned by the commenters. He
has been the one embarassing Utahns for his whole time, even prior to running
for office. To see how he came into the process at the conventions in 2008 to
do what happened to Bob Bennett in 2010 to Chris Cannon in 2008. Chris Cannon
was one of the most conservative U.S. Representatives and Jason Chaffetz is to
the right of him by a long shot. He was our first Tea Party type person before
Mike Lee's process of taking down Senator Bennett. I guess Representative
Chaffetz learned how to take people down in his football days even though he was
a good kicker to kick people out of office. Representative Matheson has done a
great job but he is one of the statistics that fills a seat held by a Democrat.
Representative Matheson has a difficult task as the Utah Republican Legislature
will always do their part to move his District around to make it so it is never
the same place twice. He had to choose which one to run in but races in Utah,
even for Republicans can be very controversial, as Chris Stewart
Questions: Will or did Mia Love turn down the federal dollars to pay for
fighting the wild fires that threatened Saratoga Springss?Why isn't
the Republican Party of Utah satisfied with having ALL but one elected official
representing Utah in Washington DC? Is the "one party" rule like
the former Soviet Union the ultimate goal of Utah Republicans? Where would
Social Security be today if the funds had been invested in the stock market as
suggested by the George W. Bush administration?How does our Congressional
representation suggest paying to keep Hill Air Force Base open if there are no
tax dollars to pay for operating it?
DN Subscriber, Even if there are students who have little interest in
graduating or repaying student loans, it doesn't matter. There is no way to
rid oneself of the responsibility to pay back student loans. Even a bankruptcy
does not eliminate this debt, so that argument is out the window. By
eliminating the federal program, students would in effect be paying credit card
rates on their debt, making college even more expensive. The best way to climb
out of the poverty cycle is through education. You would think someone who
believes in self-reliance and has personal experience with such matters would
understand this. Why on earth would she want to make the American dream even
more elusive to millions of Americans?
Perhaps student loans should once again be between the student and their family
and private lenders, and not another scheme to give away tax money to
"students" who have little interest in graduating, and many who have no
interest in repaying their student loans.Until a few years ago,
student loans WERE from private lenders, albeit with some federal guarantees,
but now they are entirely run by the government.And, perhaps Mia
Love, like most young people did not realize how badly messed up some of our
government policies were while she was in college. Experience and maturity
mixed with facts and logic often overcome the emotional certainties held by
youthful idealists, and the liberals who never learned the fallacy of their
I wish Mia would articulate why government-subsidized student loans were just
fine for her, but too expensive for subsequent generations.
How can someone who used students loans to get where she's at now be
against government subsidized student loans? I'm tired of Mia's
hypocrisy. "It was good enough for me, but to heck with today's college