Obviously Romney didn't learn a few things along the way. He didn't
learn how to bring people together or he would not be running one of the most
divisive campaigns ever. He did not learn to rise above the fray and stand for
his principles because he has stooped to the level of his competitors (in the
Republican primary and beyond) in tactics and rhetoric at every turn. He did
not learn to be intellectually consistent and stand firm; he changes his
position like he changes his shoes. And of course he did not learn that the
truth is important. He is currently running campaign ads that contain severe
@Utahbluedevil.....you have no idea what you're talking about. Reading
between the lines seem to make Mitt out as simply the leader of the "Second
Coming" standing on the right hand of Jesus himself. Mitt is a
politician, a ruthless businessman, and a Mormon. That's about it.
@JoeBlow - I wish Romney would attack the accurate context of the "you
didn't build that" comments, because the accurate context is just as
bad as the twisted context. When he was congratulating the NY Giants, Obama
commended them for building a great team. He's done the same for other
sports figures, but successful business people need to be lectured about not
taking credit for our infrastructure. It's pretty insulting to business
people in any context at all.I noticed you didn't answer
LetsDebate's question about why business people needed the lecture.
Instead you chose to parse words - a typical distraction tactic. I suppose
because, even in the accurate context, Obama's remarks reveal him, once
again, as a bitterly divisive figure who has contempt for capitalistic success.
"Just like "you didn't build that." Why are the comments better
in Obama's desired context? "Obama's "desired
context" was the "context" of the speech. LOL. Obama is not
CHOOSING the context. The WHOLE speech IS the context.It is a
complete fabrication to take those words "you didn't build that" in
the context of the speech and conclude that they were talking about peoples
business and not infrastructure.It was very clear what was meant.
The right just wanted to twist the words
@JoeBlow - yes, I get it too. Anytime Obama is held to the same standard he
holds his opponents to, it's automatically sleazy and dishonest to all
reasonable people. I could just as easily say that only the far left agrees
with you. A large number in the middle don't like the tone of Obama's
foreign remarks - whether you count them as an apology or just an acknowledgment
of our soiled past. Why does he, as our President, feel the need to make such
an acknowledgment to the world? If he's not apologizing, or attempting to
take America down a notch, or building himself as the new moral compass,
what's his point?Just like "you didn't build
that." Why are the comments better in Obama's desired context? Why do
businessmen need Obama's lecture about who built the infrastructure, and
protected and educated the populace? Those were not "we're all in this
together" motivational comments, they were very clearly "stop taking
credit you don't deserve" lecturing comments.Lots of people
are just sick of his unwelcome condescension. He sells himself as a national
savior, and delivers NOTHING. He is a tremendous hypocrite.
"If you didn't hear Romney's clarification on the McCain
quote"It should not have required clarification. It was a
classic example of someone misleading by intentionally taking something out of
context.Look, I get it. Most politicians bend the truth. Heck,
make that ALL politicians.But that McCain quote was one of the
sleaziest, intentionally dishonest moves I have seen.And his
clarification only came after he was called on it. And about the
apology bit.Nice try, but give politifact some credit. They dug a
bit deeper than just looking for the words "sorry" or "I
apologize".They looked at the spirit of the speeches. And they
write "we rate Romney’s statement Pants on Fire"The
experts disagree with you.So do the facts when viewed by reasonable
people. Only the far right agree with you.
@Mike - I don't know how many lies it takes to make a liar. I pointed out
three you told against Romney, so you tell me how many it takes. So, if someone doesn't literally utter the words "I'm sorry"
or "I apologize," then it's not technically an apology? Many
people know an apology can clearly be conveyed by other words. You can quote
PolitiFact and others all day, but such parsing of semantics over the clear
intent of the message is also a dishonest tactic. There are dozens if not
hundreds of Google results showing video and commentary of Obama's implied
apologies. Denying that Obama was apologizing requires the willing suspension of
disbelief.Ryan reallocates billions to secure Medicare for the
future, not to build up a totally different program like Obama. Obama HOPES his
reallocation will work out, Ryan PLANS for it to work out. Romney said he
won't raid Medicare, so pinnng Ryan's plan on him is also
dishonest.If you didn't hear Romney's clarification on the
McCain quote, then you weren't paying attention. It was widely covered.
Clinging to falsehoods based on ignorance is also rather dishonest.
LetsDebateThe right-wing claim that Obama apologized for America is
"ridiculous," says PolitiFact. The Associated Press, The Washington
Post, all have warned that the claim "is not borne out by the facts" and
that Obama has issued "no formal -- or informal -- apology. No saying
'sorry' on behalf of America." Show us the video.One
example of lying you agree with. How many lies does it take to make a liar?Medicare. Both Obama and Ryan eliminate Medicare Advantage to free up
716 Billion. Obama reallocates the funds to the Affordable Health Care act.
Ryan does not. And, just what it Romney's plan for senior health care? We
would all like to know..I did not hear Romney's clarification
about the McCain lie. But seems to me that's like closing the barn door
after the horse has already fled. The lie was widely distributed but his
"clarification" was hardly shouted from the rooftops.
@UtahBlueDevil - the point is, humanity has a terrible history of civility one
toward another. Most countries have encouraged slavery, and nations have
slaughtered enemies, foreign and domestic, from the beginning of civilization.
Government-sanctioned torture has occurred in probably every country that ever
existed - much worse and more debilitating and disfiguring torture than
waterboarding. Nationalistic arrogance, dismissiveness, derisiveness, and
dictatorial approaches were not invented - nor carried out to a larger degree -
by the United States than other countries.I believe America has led
the world in areas of civil rights and correcting wrongheaded policies, and in
spreading democratic ideals, and in raising prosperity and living standards
through free-market principles that encourage innovation and progress.In an imperfect world, we certainly owe no apologies. Middle-Eastern
countries view it as a weakness. Many other countries use these apologies to
justify their anti-American hatred, as though their countries have better
records. It's hogwash, and the apologies are neither necessary nor helpful
to us on the world stage.I think it reflects Obama's feelings
that America deserves a comeuppance in the world, and his narcissistic belief
that only his enlightened moral leadership will change our heretofore immoral
@UtahBlueDevil'i hear ya, but you have absolutely nothing to
back up your claims to how much the Romneys paid in fast offerings. IF you have
something, provide it.'Do you ever google anything? It's
all out there. Here are the numbers that were reported earlier this year when
Romney released his taxes for the past two years: Romney charitable
contributionsTax year Taxable income Charitable donations Donations
as % of income2010 $21.7 million $2.98 million 13.73%2011 (est)
$20.9 million $4 million 19.14%If he paid 10% for tithing, then he
paid 3.73% in other charitable donations in 2010 and 9.14% in 2011....again,
millions in charitable giving. This is public information. I don't just
make this stuff up.
LetsDebtae... you said "Well, Obama has apologized to foreign leaders for
America being "arrogant, dismissive, derisive, disengaged, dictatorial of
our terms," and asking forgiveness as we "work through our own dark
history" and for "acting hastily and going off course.":Well - all those things are true. Bush II didn't listen to his father,
he rushed into a war in Iraq on false information, we lied to the UN, he
didn't have the international support his father was smart enough to lock
down before IRAQ version I. We arrogantly engaged in a war our partners asked
us not to. I am sorry that some feel the US doesn't make mistakes... but
we do, and there is absolutely should apologize when we error. Apologizing doesn't make you weak. It means you take responsibility for
your actions... hardly a sign of weakness, other than by those whose self esteem
can't handle a little reflective introspection. Even the prophet of the
church claims the need to repent. If the prophet can humble himself to
acknowledge mistakes, surely should our political leaders? Weakness
is not being able to own up to your mistakes. What a coddled generation we now
A1994 - i hear ya, but you have absolutely nothing to back up your claims to how
much the Romneys paid in fast offerings. IF you have something, provide it.As to the adult level conversation, one person running is doing so
partially, and largely in Utah based on his credentials as a former church
leader. I am sorry, but I absolutely expect better behavior by an organization
that is supporting someone who carries with them the name "Latter Day
Saint". Perhaps that is trivial and negotiable by some as being relevant.
But I would rather have an LDS run, and loose, keeping the standards of the
office which he held as Stake President.Winning isn't worth the
sacrifice in image the church is taking. We are to be an exceptional people,
not people who lower our standards to win. And honestly, I think if Romney held
his campaign to a higher standard, that would resonate largely with the one
demographic group on the right he has issues with - the evangelicals. Respect and dignity is something we should demand from all our elected
officials, regardless of party affiliation. Reed was wrong, and Obama denounced
those items you sited.
@Mike in Cedar CityIn my opinion, three of four items you raise are
lies ABOUT Romney."Obama wants welfare recipients not to have to
work." My one concession, although Obama clearly approved the ability of
states to alter the legislated work requirements of the welfare reform bill. "Obama Said, 'if its about the economy we lose.'"
Romney immediately clarified that this clip was used to show Obama's
hypocrisy and to turn Obama's words about McCain back onto Obama. Not a
lie - just holding Obama accountable for standards he set for McCain."Obama has been apologizing for this country to foreign leaders."
Well, Obama has apologized to foreign leaders for America being "arrogant,
dismissive, derisive, disengaged, dictatorial of our terms," and asking
forgiveness as we "work through our own dark history" and for
"acting hastily and going off course." It's all on video."Obama strips 746 Billion from Medicare while Romney will not. (take a
look at the Ryan Budget)" Romney is the Presidential candidate, and has
clearly said he will not raid that money from Medicare. Ryan has to now support
ROMNEY'S plan.When people resort to outright lies about Romney,
how righteous are they?
I like the article. As a Catholic, I am curious to the beliefs of all Americans
including the faith of Mitt Romney. I think both men are good humans who
really care about others. It seems to me however, that Mitt only cares for the
people insulated in the faith of his father. Obama is thinking of the bigger
picture. How do we, (USA GOV) help those who are not in a ward, or the Mormon
faith? How do we care for children of non-believers, who themselves are broken
from poverty, unemployment, and mental illness? How do we help the masses of
fellow American citizens who are affiliated with us not by religion, but by
birth in the same nation? We seem comfortable using taxes to kill opponents in
foreign lands, how about using taxes to help Americans at home? This is Mr.
Romney's task. Explain how he would care for those he never has care for.
Mitt Romney has given much and he and his family will give more in 4 years than
any other President could give to a nation, his heart. It is in his eyes and
mind from 10s of thousands of experiences in his lifetime. He has learned
plenty on his own but the experiences he has gained from his father and from all
his counselors and presidents of the different Priesthood and auxillary leaders
in the Church, neighborhood, 2002 Winter Olympics organizing committee and a
myriad of other volunteer and total lifetime experiences from his family,
friends and neighbors. He is a true leader and is a generous giver to others,
through a kind and generous heart. He doesn't have to speak down to people
and will be good for the times and seasons we are in at this point in our
nation's history. Being on a mission when he was 19 - 21 years old
learning a foreign language and giving of himself when his associates in college
were having a good time, shows a kind of love and devotion to his Church and
people overall. We need this kind of well-rounded person to lead us.
I have the deepest respect for any Bishop or Stake President. They do things
behind the scenes to help people and improve lives. Those are very time
consuming and, I'm sure, emotionally draining positions of leadership.
Really, you could say that a Bishop or Stake President is a community organizer
in the very best sense of the word. They counsel people who are having life
problems. They are in charge of a geographic area to make sure that people are
taken care of. They collect from those who have more (on a voluntary basis) and
give to those who have less. They organize different groups all in the effort
to take care of people. I really wish there was more focus on this
part of Romney's life. I think the fact that he has this experience, both
as a Bishop AND Stake President, is one of the most compelling reasons to elect
him President. Couple this with the fact that he has degrees from Harvard and
years of success in the private sector as well as successfully balancing the
budget of Taxechusetts (WITHOUT RAISING TAXES!), this guy is exactly what this
Now if the great Mitt the Flip could must be honest in his campaigning. Where
are the Tax Records Mr.trust me? And what's this about not wanting to
release them because it might embarrass the LDS church?Some of the
lies. Obama wants welfare recipients not to have to work.Obama Said,
"if its about the economy we lose"Obama has been apologizing for
this country to foreign leaders.Obama strips 746 Billion from Medicare
while Romney will not. (take a look at the Ryan Budget)Yes Romney
the Chameleon is resorting to out right lies. Just how righteous is he?
Thanks for this article...I liked the focus on what any good bishop learns as
they serve, and also that lay leaders and new bishops learn as they go. If there
is humility, kindness, compassion and genuine caring, even if there are
personality differences or glitches, it will come out all right.I
have read many places--from many people that knew him--that though Mitt might
have lived a privileged and sheltered life, he had genuine care and concern for
people not so sheltered or so lucky, and did his best to offer support and
solutions to help them find their way to a happier better life. I
want someone like that for my President.
I agree whole heatedly with A1994. As a person, I like Obama. He seems like a
nice guy, he cares for the poor, and he is an avid basketball fan. However, I
disagree with him on how I want the government to be run. His tactic of telling
the poor and middle class that the rich are fighting against them annoys me.
It's not true. As it stands now I do not have confidence
medicare and social security are sustainable programs. I feel like I am
mandated to put my money in a pot that will crumble anyways. I believe
Romney-Ryan will help to fix that. I do not feel that Obama will fix that.
That is one big reason I will vote Romney on election day.
@UtahBlueDevilBeyond tithing, Romney has donated literally millions
to the Church's fast offering and welfare program. Those do go directly
tot he poor. I agree with you that we need to keep it on an adult level. I
don't dislike Obama for personal reasons. I dislike him for his philosophy
on government and his economic policies. Furthermore, he is intentionally
divisive. He does exactly what you are talking about by utilizing other
people's hatred and emotion. His whole economic platform is based on
pitting the poor and middle class against 'the rich.' He uses terms
like "paying their fair share." The rich pay more than their fair share
of the taxes. Not only is it unfair, more importantly it is bad economic
policy. He isn't doing me any favors by jacking taxes up on my boss.As far as getting personal, the President has allowed his advisers
(Stephanie Cutter) and friends to call Romney a felon, a tax evader, and the
cause for a woman's death. Surely you can see the irony in asking for a
more adult conversation.
I am ever amazed by comments such as juni4ling's, and those that subscribe
to this rhetoric. The idea that you have to demonize, make up false histories,
in order for your candidate to be good, is rather, silly. For
example, much is made of Romney's church service. Never is it mentioned
that Obama ran the out reach programs for a eight diocese region of the Catholic
church - much the same a 8 stake region. Nor does Juni4ling mention his time as
director of the Annenberg Project. No mention graduating at the top of his
class at Harvard, nor mentioned being the editor of the Harvard Law review, nor
a professor at University of Chicago for 12 years. This
doesn't mean Obama is "better" than Romney, but statements like
"Romney's lifelong contributions to the poor dwarf Obama's"...
how do you quantify a statement like that. Based on what? Tithing? Tithing
isn't a "help the poor fund". What else has Romney done? Lets have a grown up conversation, non emotional discussion about who we
are hiring here to be president. Romney may be best, but lets decide based on
facts, not hatred or emotion.
Since we all made a decision in the pre-existence for Freedom and Free Agency,
Mitt's philosophy of governing is in line with our previous commitment.
When government thinks they know better how we should live our lives than we do,
we are entering the long slide towards totalitarianism and slavery.
Unfortunately this latter view is Obama's.Romney and Ryan 2012
for the future of the Republic.
Could this paper be any more in the tank for the Romney campaign? Do you have
Mitt campaign advisers on staff?
Great article!Mitt is a real deal! Ryan is a great compliment to
Mitt. Awesome combination of knowledge and experience, exactly what we need to
turn around this country's mess for the better.
Thank you for writing this article. It covers the greater part of what being a
Mormon leader means; the meat and potatoes, so to speak, overlooked by last
night's one-hour program on NBC.
Thank you for writing this great article. There were many examples of not only
leadership, but caring and compassion.This is the Mitt Romney we
hope the country sees in Tampa, FL, next week. We hope his story is told. We
hope he shows by his actions how "in toudh" with people he really is.
Hope, and yes, we need a change! I hope everyone is watching and
listening this time and vote to save the greatest country on earth: The United
States of America!Romney-Ryan 2012
Juni4ling,Thank you. People like you give me hope. It blows me away
how many clueless lefties there are.
obama had many meaningful experiences as a community organizer and attendee of
rev. wright's church. there is no whare that mitt could hang posters on
light poles like obama can.
There are a lot of significant differences between Obama and Romney...Obama has never given anyone a job. Obama has never worried about the bottom
line, and had to fire someone for failing to contribute. Obama has never created
an opportunity for someone.But the most significant and extreme
difference between Romney and Obama is in commitment to service. Romney's
lifelong contributions to the poor dwarf Obama's.Obama can call
for shutting-down business with massive taxation. Obama can call for
class-warfare and hurting those who hire employees. But Obama cannot compare to
Romney's lifelong commitment to the poor. As a religious leader, and as a
busines leader, Romney made a *personal* commitment to those on the bottom.Obama, on the other hand, just calls for bigger government and reduced
freedoms for those less-fortunate...Yeah, the differences between
Obama and Romney are extreme and significant... Romney is a giver. Obama is a