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University of Utah eyes future stadium expansion

Expansion would bring changes to Olympic Cauldron Park

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  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    It's exciting to see this football program grow.

    Also, LOL at everyone claiming expansion will only result in sea of red chairs. Adding more seats to the stadium also brings the potential of expanding the fan base. This allows the program to grow. Not expanding on the basis that there will be down years where attendance lags is pure cowardice. It's no different than people who were saying Utah should stay in the MWC because they won't be able to compete in the PAC. Utah has been afforded great opportunity by its new conf. affiliation and it would be foolish to not take full advantage. Luckily the leaders at the U don't seem to have the same attitude at many of the BYU posters here and our taking steps to improve academics and athletics across the board.

  • Mister J SLC, UT
    Aug. 26, 2012 11:24 a.m.

    Just think...

    In a few yrs, LES may be the ideal place to hold a multi-region Ice Cream Social!?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 6:27 p.m.

    Swoop,

    Sorry, I forgot. BYU can't fill their stadium anymore or sell all the season tickets because of the WAC schedule. But contrary to your comment there were a few on this board who mentioned LES expansion and specifically building decks. As long as BYU has to get that building permit from the local politicians you can forget about it. But as you suggest it will probably never be needed.

    BTW, Pointing out facts, which is what I do, is not whining.

  • Big Daddy Utah SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 6:11 p.m.

    @Cougar Blue

    I am a lifelong Ute fan and I neither hated or liked BYU, up until the time a few short years ago when Max Hall made his tirade about Utah. He was just voicing the opinion of most BYU fans. This after BYU WON.

    After that day I find it hard to root for BYU in anything. It is not because they are poor losers, it is because they are poor winners.

    Go UTES

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 5:41 p.m.

    GoRed

    "It's sad how many BYU "fans" (ducky, sammy, sportsfan, etc.) spend all of their time trolling University of Utah articles these days trying to get their digs in."

    Posted on BYU articles by GoRed:

    - "Does the kid know that there's an honor code? Cut his hair, and he's 100 lbs. lighter."

    - "Even new BYU recruits are all obsessed with the University of Utah."

    - "A new rival? That's a bit of a stretch, considering that they've played exactly one time, and the people of Wisconsin are hardly aware of who BYU is."

    hmmmm, a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you say?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    Dutchman

    Thanks for your concern, but I haven't seen any BYU fans "clamoring" for expansion, so why are you whining about it?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    I have pointed this out several times but for those of you who keep repeating misinformation when RES was rebuilt in 1998 no tax money was expended. The construction was funded by donations and revenue bonds paid back by ticket and concession sales. The Olympics leased RES in 2002 and paid a lease for its use as any other entity would be required to do. Any new expansion will be funded again without tax payer money.

    To the BYU fans clamoring for new expanded decks to be built at LES, well good luck with that. It is a lot of wishful thinking. BYU is not a state institution so unlike the U it must apply to the City of Provo for a building permit. Salt Lake City has no such jurisdiction over projects at the U. Back in 1984 BYU wanted to build decks on their stadium but was denied a building permit from Provo City because of the protests and objections of the neighborhoods surrounding LES over height and sight line issues. Nothing has changed much since. Those neighborhoods have recently objected to an eight story building being built at the MTC. So good luck.

  • Hardcore UTE-FAN!! Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    Maybe I'm confused. . . They're going to increase out stadium size to 10,000? I thought the stadium held more than that already. It doesn't seem that much smaller than LES that the TDS uses. Isn't their stadium like 27K or something like that? Well, as soon as we can get 10K fans to show up at games we'll just be that much louder and harder to beat at home.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 11:45 p.m.

    no conference championship for U

    Nice try imposter; one thing we do know, you were so humiliated by how uncompetitive U were in your first year in the PAC, that you've been forced to pretend you're a BYU fan just to save yourself the embarrassment of admitting where your true loyalties lie.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    in a week, espn or pac 10 plus 2 network? wow!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 8:44 p.m.

    'girlse'

    Wow, you are really wasting your time on these DNews articles lately. I keep telling you that your time would be better spent at DirectTV's Facebook page.

    One more week and still no Pac 12 Network deal for satellite. No one is surprised and I'm sure some of you are having blood pressure problems over this.

    Let me help.

    Nothing more stressful than having to talk to Comcast or some other provider requesting service and then calling Dishnet or DirectTV explaining you want to disconnect your satellite... unless of course you have no other options and then the last option is to ask me to send you a DVD.

    Happy to help a Ute fan always!

  • ConferenceofChampions Herriman, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 8:26 p.m.

    Hey sports fan,

    Enjoy watching the big boys play from the sidelines.

    I hear las cruces in November is just wonderful.

    LOL!

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Aug. 23, 2012 6:26 p.m.

    SportsFan
    Orem, UT
    CoC

    "What would you do if the PAC 12 called and invited you?"

    Sorry, you've misread the tea leaves. BYU fans would be thrilled to have BYU in the PAC 12, because unlike U, BYU would actually be competitive in many sports, including the Olympic sports.

    The problem BYU fans have with Utah fans is their arrogant attitude based on absolutely NOTHING. The PAC 12 produced nine NCAA champions in 2011-12, and Utah wasn't even close to being involved. Try at least finishing in the upper half of the conference before beating your gums any more about being in the "conference of champions". So far Utah has been nothing but bottom-dwelling cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference.

    >>>

    I am so tired of fellow BYU fans saying things like this. You can't predict how well BYU would do in the PAC 12. We will never know how competitive we would be.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    54-IQ

    It's laughable how trivial 4-5 is compared to 54.

    GoRed

    Aren't U forgetting, every one of those teams would slaughter Northern Colorado, and one or two of them would have had a decent chance against 10-loss Colorado.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 5:05 p.m.

    GoRed
    WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

    To Ducky and Samantha there was no game last year.

    They were in Tulsa.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    It's sad how many BYU "fans" (ducky, sammy, sportsfan, etc.) spend all of their time trolling University of Utah articles these days trying to get their digs in. If I were you, I would be more concerned with trying to be competitive after a 44-point blowout loss to your rivals.

    But then, you always have the Idaho, Weber State, San Jose State, and New Mexico State games to hang your hat on.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    Lots of discussion by Duckhunter and his friends on another PAC 12 article.

    I guess they don't have anything to say about the WAC champions in Provo over on a BYU article.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    CoC

    "What would you do if the PAC 12 called and invited you?"

    Sorry, you've misread the tea leaves. BYU fans would be thrilled to have BYU in the PAC 12, because unlike U, BYU would actually be competitive in many sports, including the Olympic sports.

    The problem BYU fans have with Utah fans is their arrogant attitude based on absolutely NOTHING. The PAC 12 produced nine NCAA champions in 2011-12, and Utah wasn't even close to being involved. Try at least finishing in the upper half of the conference before beating your gums any more about being in the "conference of champions". So far Utah has been nothing but bottom-dwelling cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 4:23 p.m.

    Move the torch into the stadium. Don't you dare move it from the stadium area. USC still uses their torch for events.

  • Truth Seeker Zion, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 4:18 p.m.

    I think if Utah does expand their stadium they should paint Utah fans pictures on the seats. That way it would look like all those empty seats are filled. It would be great for TV.

  • Fitz Murray, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    As has been pointed out in other comments, this is not a new concept. It was indicated during the last expansion that the south end would be rebuilt sometime in the future. More recently, the U indicated that joining the PAC12 would mean that would need to expand the stadium. So I wonder, what is Mike and company up to.

    On a related note, perhaps the torch and the museum should be moved to the Olympic Park. But the Hoberman Arch should be moved to Pioneer Park where it was first proposed. I understand that all the parts to the Hoberman Arch are still in a warehouse and that it could be rebuilt and be operable. And SLC is currently hosting concerts on a regular basis in Pioneer Park. It could be a good fit.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 1:38 p.m.

    To Duckhunter...

    USC, UCLA & CAL are commuter schools. Someone seems to be grasping on to anything.

  • ConferenceofChampions Herriman, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    Listen, I have one question, and one question only for these byu "fans" and their harping on the PAC 12.

    What would you do if the PAC 12 called and invited you?

    I think your opinion and highly derogatory remarks would surely change.

    Face it cougar fans, we are living your dream.

    Enjoy las cruces in November.

    LOL!

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 23, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    Duckhunter

    Well spoken.

    There isn't a program in the PAC 12 that hasn't gone through a period of mediocrity or worse. The 5-7, no bowl seasons for Utah are unavoidable and the vast sea of empty seats currently seen at the Huntsman Center could easily be repeated at RES WHEN, not IF, Utah hits its first losing skid.

    Hill can thank the Olympic Cauldron for giving him several more years to think about expanding RES before actually having to decide whether or not to proceed.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    Like it or not for utah "fans" but utah is still mainly a commuter school and it is still just the number 2 draw in this market. Its "fan"base is famously fickle and it is tenuous. Many people that previously did not care have hopped on board because of the recent excitement, I know many and I am sure you do to, but outside of that most of those people have no real ties to the school or the program, they simply want to be a part of the current happenings.

    But with nothing to really tie so many of them to the school outside of just enjoying the ride it is important for the utah leadership to figure out how many of them will remain actual ticket purchasers and game attendees when the inevitable downturn comes along.I know utah "fans" cannot fathom that ever occuring again but it will at some point.

    That is why there has been so little talk of expansion from the actual leadership at utah, they know who and what they are and who and what their "fan"base is. They need a longer termshowing of support from their "fans" before doing it.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    @motorbike

    We have discussed this before and you know the reasons, you just want to pretend like you don't.

    utah and its "fans" are currently in a honeymoon stage. They have had unprecedented succes, for them at least, over the last 8-9 years and were included in an expansion of the PAC 10. That IS exciting and it HAS made for increased interest and attendence for the program. Afterall everyone loves a winner.

    But the honeymoon will not last forever, they never do, and the relationship with utah and its "fans" will return to a more relaxed and familiar state than it currently enjoys. And that is waht chris hill and the powers that be at utah have to consider. And they don't have to look any further than the huntsman center for evidence of what will occur when the honeymoon ends and some less that stellar results occur, and that WILL happen at some point. When it does are they better served having spent 10's of millions to expand a stadium now half empty or would they have been better off spending that money elsewhere?

    continued

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 22, 2012 11:01 p.m.

    Jenny83

    "Hey Phoenix... Who is the little brother here?

    BYU(10-3) #25 Coaches/#26 AP/#34 Sagarin
    Utah(8-5) unranked/#39 Sagarin

    Obviously, U are!

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 10:43 p.m.

    Hey Phoenix -- Utah clobbered byu by 44 points in Happy Valley last year and has beat them 7 out of the last 10 years. Who is the little brother here.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 22, 2012 10:37 p.m.

    motorbike

    "some typically hilarious jealousy from the fans down south..."

    Jealous of what, Utah thinking about expanding its stadium some day, and even IF that happens, RES capacity will still be 10,000 seat smaller than LES.

    I am a Utah man and I live across the green with jealousy that Utah will forever be BYU's little brother.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    some typically hilarious jealousy from the fans down south as Utah shows it continues to grow and threaten the fragile egos of those same fans.
    The funniest part of the cougar fans' comments is how no one will show up at RES if/when Utah struggles with mediocre records in the Pac 12. Yet it's those same fans that like to point out how Utah finished "8th" last year and 4-5 in league play. So here's the obvious question ... why after such a terrible year has Utah managed to basically already sell out all of it's games this year??? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
    Check StubHub or KSL and look at what Utah tickets are going for. The only way I could get a ticket to the BYU game was to buy it FROM BYU!!!! Funny thing though, I'm selling those two tickets and doubling what I paid so I can make a down payment on two tickets to the USC that will cost me at least another $200. That's right ... cheapest BYU tickets at RES are $110. Cheapest tickets to USC are close to $200.
    And this after finishing 8th! Enough said.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Aug. 22, 2012 9:46 p.m.

    Adding 10,000 seats would move us from 11th to 7th in the PAC-12. We won't be breathing the rarefied (and smog polluted) air that USC and UCLA have, but I think being on par with Oregon and Arizona works well.

    The article did say at least 10,000 seats. It could be more.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 8:56 p.m.

    Why don't we let the two teams play the games this year. Based on the results at the end of the season, we can then determine who was the better team. Personally, I would like to see both teams be successful and have two powerful programs in the area. Bragging about beating a weak team isn't really worth doing.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 6:47 p.m.

    Sports Authority -- I'm really sorry that the Utes make you so discouraged.

  • mountainflying OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 6:25 p.m.

    Sports Authority --- I'm sorry that Utah has had 2 undefeated seasons in the last 8 years. I'm sorry that BYU just can't seem to beat Utah hardly ever. 30% of the time in the last decade. That's sad! I'm also sorry that BYU got whooped by 44 points in Provo last year by the Utes. That would be a lot for any Byu fan to have to deal with.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 22, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    Cowboy Dude

    "If BYU sold out the Utah game, why did it look half empty in the fourth quarter?"

    Same reason RES looked 3/4 empty in the fourth quarter when the "national championship contending" Utes were destroyed 7-47 by TCU.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 22, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    patriot

    "The U deserves the expansion for sure."

    "Deserving" is irrelevant - what Hill has to decide is whether he wants to waste millions on a sea of empty red chairs when the inevitable losing skid happens on the hill.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 22, 2012 5:50 p.m.

    ConferenceofUtahBottomDwellers

    "I've been to BYU games, and most of the fan base consists of kids and geriatric senior citizens telling people to sit down and shut up."

    Then you're obviously just spouting off with absolutely no factual basis because the number of BYU students attending BYU games is several times the size of the MUSS.

    "If you havent noticed, Utah is in the Pac-12."

    Yeah, we've noticed. The Utes have gone from being a conference championship contender, lately, to being a conference bottom dweller, as usual:

    8th in football, with not a single win over a conference foe with a winning record
    11th in basketball
    last or next to last in every other men's sport

    A couple of 5-7 seasons and no bowls and the Utes will abandon their football team just like they abandoned their once proud basketball team.

  • Mount Olympus Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    Also how about rebuilding the Nielsen Fieldhouse?
    Could put seats on top of the new Fieldhouse.
    Not sure if they should connect it to the stadium or not. It could be like the Wrigley rooftops.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    re:Wallbanger

    This scene is going to play out year after year where the U has teams like UCS coming to town and the Y has Idaho State. This is BIG vs little going forward. I suspect the U will get to the top of the league one of these years and at that time they better have the 55000 seats ready. I think the Y will always get around 60000 for games regardless of whom they play. Y fans are really loyal no matter the state of the program. BYU football anymore is more of just a nice family fall afternoon experience complete with nacho's , hotdogs and half time fun etc... Football is secondary. Wallganger is correct in that the real "football" fans at the Y are leaving or at least not buying tickets anymore (like myself) but there are always other - non-football types- ready to snap up the tickets. Face it Y fans - the glory days are over for good but enjoy those nachos as you watch BYU compete against those mean Weber State Wildcats!! Maybe next year you will get to see Dixie State in Provo!! The food tastes great either way.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    The U deserves the expansion for sure. Being in the PAC 12 means UCS and others come to town now so an expanded stadium would certainly sell out.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    @ 17-14 hurts don't it?

    Happy 54-10 Day to you!

    Lose to Utah again for the third straight year and 8 of the last 11 seasons and watch their fans scatter and LES attendance drop.

    Just remember, one loss and BYU is Kraft Fight World Hunger Bowl bound every year as a mid-major Notre Dame wannabe independent.

    Oh and losing to your big brothers up north 54-10 on your home field and your team quit. Hurts Don't It!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    Cowboy Dude
    SAINT GEORGE, UT

    ‘University of Utah eyes future stadium expansion’

    Why does this touch the nerve of so many cougars?

    ----------

    Since they can't beat us on the field stadium size is the ONLY thing they have left.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Aug. 22, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    Supply and demand. There aren't enough seats for the people who want to go to see the Utes play.

    Trying to make it something other than that is just histrionics.

    I can't wait for the season to start. At least then, some of this childish back and forth will be about what happens on the field!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2012 4:05 p.m.

    @Rockwell

    Who cares about percentage of capacity?

    --------------

    Obviously you don't since you can't fill your stadium.

    That same can't be said of Utah, 55K expansion should keep up with demand for the growing program.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    LES has to have 65,000 seats. How else would they fit all those elderly people and 35,000 screaming kids running around. My work gives out football tickets to every game each year and I've been to quite a few. Mainly because I have a lot of good friends/co-workers who are Y fans. And I love football. But I cannot believe how many screaming obnoxious kids there are running around. And old folks who barely move during the entire game. Sometimes I think they've passed away and nobody notices. So yes Y fans, be very proud of that 65,000 "fan" base. It is something to be proud of.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 3:58 p.m.

    Tom

    Yeah like when Michigan comes to LES right? Oh wait, they're coming to RES along with USC, Oregon, Stanford and UCLA. Stadium smack is all you got....for now.

    Love it.

  • regis Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    I agree it would have been nice to see some plans. But it's not hard to envision what is planned. The article notes the expansion would create a bowl, meaning the south end zone seating will be expanded to attach to both east and west sides of the stadium. I imagine that would add about 50 rows of seating with an average of 100 seats per row in each new section, which means 5,000 seats in each new section, or a total of 10,000 seats.

    My biggest question is whether they plan to demolish the current south end zone seating to do this expansion. That would be a terrible waste given how recently that seating was constructed. Planners should certainly have envisioned an expansion of this nature when the current seating was built, and designed accordingly.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    ‘University of Utah eyes future stadium expansion’

    Why does this touch the nerve of so many cougars?

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 3:46 p.m.

    If BYU sold out the Utah game, why did it look half empty in the fourth quarter?

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 3:45 p.m.

    Jenny

    A happy 17-14 to you this day!

    Lose to Colorado again this year and watch the fans scatter.

    Being the perennial 6th, 7th or 8th place loser in your conference does not bode well for your delusional dream of stadium expansion.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    Why is it enjoyable to see someone have meltdown and funny to touch a nerve? I am not even sure those things happened, as it's likely they were induced to be interpreted as such. Still, is that cause for LOL. Oh brother I say.

  • ConferenceofChampions Herriman, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 3:21 p.m.

    Listen, Cougar fans you need to face the facts.
     
    Fact#1  Ive been to byu games, and most of the fan base consists of kids and geriatric senior citizens telling people to sit down and shut up
     
    Fact#2  If you havent noticed, Utah is in the Pac-12.  What does this mean?  It means that USC / UCLA / Stanford / Oregon / Cal etc. will be coming to Rice Eccles Every year. This is the difference between down years in the past, this will sustain the crowd and season ticket renewal vs years past when the dregs of the mtn west and wac would come to town.
     
    Oh wait, that is what byu has to look forward to

    LOL

    Go Utes!

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 2:46 p.m.

    If Utah took out their seats and put in LES stadium bleacher benches they could raise capacity by 15,000.

    If Utah took out seats and put in Marriott Center bleacher benches they could double the Huntsman Center.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    Since the LES is not used on Saturdays after September, why doesn't Utah just play there?

  • Thlete Draper, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 1:48 p.m.

    Love how the Cougar "fans" point to basketball attendance as if that is relevant. Football is king.

    "We've already seen what happens to fan support at Utah as soon as the Utes hit a losing skid - actual attendance at the HC last season was clearly less than 5,000"

    Why not point to the losing skid the Utes suffered just last season in football? Lost their first 4 conference games and RES was still packed for the Oregon St game where they got the first PAC win of the season.

    I have a case in point for current demand: I sold 9 north end zone tickets for nearly 4x face value in under 24 hours when I posted them on KSL. We've averaged at or near 100% attendance for over 8 years. Utah football isn't fading anytime soon, so keep trying with your jabs Coug "fans", it's all you have left.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 1:25 p.m.

    I love naval vet meltdowns like the one in this thread. Very entertaining.

    LOL!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    60,265 (BYU's lowest attendance in the last five years)

    is still nearly 15,000 MORE than

    45,459 (Utah's highest attendance EVER)

    Only a desperate, delusional Utah fan would try to spin filling a cracker box to over-capacity gives any sort of "edge" to Utah.

    Bottom line:

    BYU drew 421,855 fans in 2011 versus 270,894 for Utah.

    Doing the math, BYU had gate receipts from 150,961 more fans than Utah, in 2011, or more than THREE filled-to-overflowing sellouts at RES.

    Congratulations on making plans to possibly expand RES in FIVE years to 10,000 seats LESS than LES. At this rate, it could take another 50 years for RES grow to the size of LES, assuming, of course, that BYU never expands LES again.

    Once a little brother, always a little brother.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    This expansion should only come after the basketball practice facility is completed.

  • Colorado Reader Littleton, CO
    Aug. 22, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    haha, maybe they should start winning in the Pac 12 before they start building! Typical Utah fans counting their chickens.....Gotta love the pride cycle....

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 22, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    SportsCenter:

    "A dip in attendance at LES, means only 60,000 fans in the stands.....A dip in attendance at RES, means less than 40,000 fans in the stands."

    Just making up facts as you go along, eh Sportscenter? Unfortunately, when dealing with Ute fans, FACTs always end up being produced.

    Here is Utah's attendance over the past few seasons:

    2007: 42,593
    2008: 45,542
    2009: 45,155 -- Drop in attendance = 387. Still 5,156 fans over your frantic and emotional sub 40K estimate.
    2010: 45,459
    2011: 45,149 -- Drop in attendance = 310. Still 5,150 fans over your frantic and emotional sub 40K estimate.

    ** Despite 2 separate declines in attendance, 4 out of those last 5 seasons showed Utah AVERAGING over-capacity crowds. Average attendance drops: 348.5. Not over 5,017.

    Now let's see how the Indy-WACers fared...

    2007: 64,497
    2008: 64,102 -- Drop in attendance = 395
    2009: 64,236
    2010: 61,381 -- Drop in attendance = 2,855
    2011: 60,265 -- Drop in attendance = 1,116

    ** The Y shows only 3 of the last 5 with overcapacity crowds. Average attendance drops: 1,455.3.

    Edge: Utah

    Discredited: SportsCenter

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 22, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    #1 SLC Sports Fan:

    Yes - 55k will be plenty, except when Notre Dame comes to town. Oh wait, that will never happen.

  • Dnquixote Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 22, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    Apparently someone forgot to get BY-Fan's approval on this project.? The comments above about why Utah shouldn't expand are hilarious. Stop pointing to last season's struggles as a reason to discount Utah. They killed BYU at home, then hit a rough patch. BYU went on to play 4-5 high-school teams to pad their schedule. The expansion has nothing to do with last season. It is about an increasing fan base and demand. If BYU-Fan's rational was correct, ticket sales would be way down this year. Think again. See you in Sept!

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    mcdugall

    "BYU football attendance is on the decline,..."

    There's absolutely no evidence to support a slight dip in attendance the last couple of years as being a sign of any long-term pattern of decline in BYU football attendance.

    A dip in attendance at LES, means only 60,000 fans in the stands.

    A dip in attendance at RES, means less than 40,000 fans in the stands.

    We've already seen what happens to fan support at Utah as soon as the Utes hit a losing skid - actual attendance at the HC last season was clearly less than 5,000. Despite the reported attendance figures of close to 8,000, you could clearly see hundreds of empty seats in the lower bowl and a nearly empty upper bowl for every Utah game.

    A couple of back-to-back 5-7 seasons and no bowls, and the exact same thing will be happening at RES.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 22, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    mussingaround (2 of 2):

    (3) Utah finished 2011 with the 3rd-best record in the Pac-12 South. Ga. Tech finished with the 2nd-best record in the ACC Coastal. BOTH teams finished with the 4th-best overall W/L records in their respective conferences. Therefore, Pac-12 South #3 > ACC Coastal #2. Edge: Pac-12 South.
    (4) The Pac-12 played 9-conference games. The ACC only played 8. That gives the Pac-12 and automatic additional 6-losses in overall W/L records, so comparing overall W/L records becomes moot. Especially considering all of points 1, 2, and 3 above.

    So either produce a legitimate source that places the Pac-12 South as the 8th worst major conference division, or you're tacitly admitting you were just being a "jealous, frantic and emotional Utah-hater".

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 22, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    mussingaround (1 of 2):

    "What's funny, is the same team that enjoyed a perfect storm game against BYU in September, faltered the rest of the season, never beating a single PAC opponent with a winning record..."

    And how many Pac-12 teams with winning records did the Indy-WACers beat?

    Answer: ZERO!

    But since the Utes POUNDED our mid-majorey little brother by 44-pts down there in "WAC"istan...HUGE edge: Utah.

    "Finishing 3rd in the weakest division of any major conference, and 8th overall, is nothing to brag about."

    Did you frantically and emotionally make that up? Where had it been reported that the Pac-12 South was the weakest division of any major conference? Here are the FACTS for 2011:

    (1) The Pac-12 went 2-0 vs. the ACC (Utah & Stanford beat Ga. Tech & Duke).
    (2) The Pac-12 was rated as a tougher conference than the ACC by both ESPN and Phil Steele. I have yet to see ANY publication give the edge to the ACC...

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    Why not just fill in the corners. It would probably add 15,000 and make it a good bowl shape, that way you do not have to do anything to the Olympic area.

    You Utah fans are so funny with your put downs. Why not build both teams up instead of trying to tear the other team down. Seems un-Christian in your guile.

  • mcdugall Layton, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    @sammyg

    BYU football attendance is on the decline, BYU AD recently admitted to this, also the recent Groupon for BYU football tickets is not a good sign.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    Wow, an upgrade to 55k seats...the team will have to be nearly undefeated to fill even 50k of those seats. The U is a commuter school and the lack of crowds in the stadium year in and year out prove that. I hope they can fill it and they really do need a 70k seat stadium if they plan to be a perennial PAC power.

  • Barnbug1 SPANISH FORK, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    @ #1 SLC Sports Fan

    I follow both teams and wish them both well and I'm really not into the "My dad can beat up your dad" drivel that has taken over anything Utah/BYU, but BYU has been playing big name teams in LES for 20 years.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2012 9:28 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "This article makes it sound as if we're just now considering expanding the stadium. However, stadium expansion was being vetted even before we finished the last expansion back in '98."

    So how is this even newsworthy if, as the article states, the Utes are still studying the possibility of future stadium expansion?

    BYU has had plans in place to expand LES for over thirty years, in fact, the footings to add a second tier to the east side stands were built when the stadium was expanded in 1982.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    I don't understand how we can in good conscience support football in this country. The evidence that it causes serious brain damage is overwhelming. The same sort of injuries that turned Muhammad Ali into a shell of his former self are so common in football that it seems almost criminal to encourage young people to begin the sport. I understand the pride felt by having a winning football team, but folks should read about the downside of the "sport". Those who object to their children taking methamphetamines or other drugs should compare the brain scans of drug users with long-term football players. There's not much difference in the extent of the damage.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 22, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    Uteology

    Who cares about percentage of capacity? BYU has averaged more than 15,000 more fans per game than Utah since 1982!

    Economics 101 teaches that supply and demand will naturally balance each other over time. The reason RES only seats 45,000 is because there's never been enough demand to expand the supply. BYU was drawing more than 46,000 fans BEFORE Cougar Stadium was expanded to 65,000 THIRTY years ago!

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    By the time the Olympic park agreement expires there will be no basis for expanding RES as the flash-in-the pan Ute football program will once again be on the decline. It'll be back to passing out free tickets along with your Happy meal just to get anybody to park their carcass there for a few hours. You all hope I'm wrong but quietly know the odds are against expansion.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    Based on the last couple of years one would think this is a no brainer, expand that crackerbox and get more peope in there. But of course cooler heads are not so quick to do it, why is that? Because there is more than ample evidence to suggest spending 60 million dollars to expand a stadium that will empty faster than a reservoir behind a dam breach once the mediocrity sets in is not a wise thing to do.

    If utah "fans" don't think chris hill and the other powers that be at the university don't pay attention to what's occured at the hc and realize how tenuous and fickle the utah "fan"base truly is then they are far more deluded than we think.

    What it will take to actually expand that stadium is utah "fans" still filling it after several mediocre to poor years. And the good news is that they are going to get the chance to prove they'll still fill it in those situations right away.

    Honest utah "fans" know this to be true, they won't admit it out loud but they know it.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 7:13 a.m.

    utes, you must be so proud. 55k 5 years off. let let players play and all the wannabes. other than penalized usc the pac 10 plus 2 isn't all that great

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 21, 2012 11:48 p.m.

    byu played exactly 3 good teams last year and, not surprisingly, went 0-3 against them....Clearly, the coaches never looked at their schedule when voting, just their record....CU's SOS was 4 times stronger than byu's....Clearly, CU would've had double-digit wins w/such a weak-schedule as byu's.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2012 11:44 p.m.

    sammyg

    Not sure how being 4-5 in conference qualifies for an expanded stadium. Another case for Ute math I'm guessing.

    -------------

    Let me help you out...

    Going 4-5 in the PAC-12 still resulted in 98% renewal rate in season-tickets. Utah is over capacity.

    How did you do going 10-3 with a WAC-lite schedule? Are you guys expanding to "legacy" level program levels yet (ie USC, Texas, Alabama)?

    In total attendance BYU was #26 last year just ahead of the other legacy football program Kentucky.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 21, 2012 11:43 p.m.

    Always hilarious to witness byu fans try in vain to denigrate UTAH after they whooped their team by 44-points on their homefield and after their team played one of the nation's absolute weakest schedules....Brilliant, to say the very least....Just observe as byu's win-total drops precipitously as their SOS is gradually upgraded....It's inevitable, particularly when one witnesses the obscene-decline in recruiting they're experiencing....Nobody drafted in 2 years? Not at all surprising, making perfect-sense.

    This expansion can't come soon enough and UTAH Football will only escalate in superiority in the years to come....Let's maximize our 3 warm-up games to begin this year and come down here ready to obliterate ASU in Sun Devil Stadium....GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2012 11:35 p.m.

    @Lifelong BYU fan

    Since 1998 when RES seating capacity went from 33K to 45K, annual attendance has increased to capacity.

    Attendance as % of capacity:

    2011
    Utah 100.29
    BYU 94.10

    2010
    Utah #11 100.98
    BYU #38 95.84

    FYI... When Alabama was losing they were averaging 82K annual attendance, now when they are winning close to 102K annual attendance. That's a 20% drop-off.

    Even if Utah drops by 20% when losing and not even factoring in PAC-12 games, attendance will be around 35K; which was back 2001 with MWC teams.

    Clearly a trend exists to suggest Utah needs to upgrade to meet demand.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 11:32 p.m.

    You can join the cause to add 10,000 seats to RES by joining the RESolUtes facebook group. Just search RESolUtes on facebook or "resolutes facebook" on google and click "like" to join. This is pretty cool that the U is looking into getting expansion going. We need it if Michigan, USC, and others are going to be coming to town.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 21, 2012 11:31 p.m.

    Jenny83

    What's funny, is the same team that enjoyed a perfect storm game against BYU in September, faltered the rest of the season, never beating a single PAC opponent with a winning record, and losing home games to TWO teams with LOSING records, including that humiliating defeat to 10-loss Colorado, a team that hadn't won a road game in FOUR years.

    Finishing 3rd in the weakest division of any major conference, and 8th overall, is nothing to brag about.

    Bottom line:

    BYU(10-3) #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 Sagarin
    Utah(8-5) no votes in either poll, #39 Sagarin

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 10:43 p.m.

    Sammy G..Utah went 4-5 their 1st year in the PAC 12 and did it with a d-2 quarter back. It's really funny though, because that same team that went 4-5 in PAC play beat your team (BYU) by 44 points in Prove.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 10:12 p.m.

    4-5 has nothing to do with 5 years in a row of sold out games. All games are sold out again this year plus us season ticket holders are paying additional fees. The only sold out game was against Utah. Attendance in Provo is dwindling while Utah needs more seats. Football is King. Hoops will improve as Utah improves. The growing population in Utah includes thousands from the West Coast that are naturally gravitating to Utah as many have nothing in common with BYU. Utah has a better product and the gap is widening.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 10:05 p.m.

    If they only add 10,000 seats it would still only be the 7th largest stadium in the PAC.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 9:47 p.m.

    Come on Ute fans, spit it out, you want a stadium bigger and better than BYU, this is what the conversation is all about. Being in BYU's shadow for all these years is all that you care to get away from.

    It's hilarious to see these comments.

    "shift in fan interest"
    "Y fans... starting to lose interest"
    "BYU in the minor leagues"

    "“It’ll be driven primarily by the athletic department as it regards continuing success with the football program obviously,” Perez said. “There are no plans as of yet as to when that would occur, but it is an opportunity that we’re aware of.”

    Not sure how being 4-5 in conference qualifies for an expanded stadium. Another case for Ute math I'm guessing.

    Lifelong Republican needs to head up the committee.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 21, 2012 9:02 p.m.

    This article makes it sound as if we're just now considering expanding the stadium. However, stadium expansion was being vetted even before we finished the last expansion back in '98. During the last expansion, the stadium was built to be expandable by an ADDITIONAL 10-15 thousand seats over the 45K stadium capacity we have right NOW.

    Personally, I think we should go to at least 60K. We already have the infrastructure, so let's just get it done.

    After that, the U might like to take a tour of Beaver Stadium up here at Penn State to see how to expand OVER existing structures. Penn State has one of the coolest stadiums I'd ever seen. Even though its construction is sort of a "patchwork" deal, it still looks super awesome!

    Go Lions!

    GO UTES!!!

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 8:58 p.m.

    I'd like to see the university have 10 years of sold out games before this happens. I've seen enough cycles of Utah fandom to know that after being in the lower half of the pac 12 for 5 years in a row, fans will stop coming to the games.

    What proof do I have?

    Go take a visit to the Huntsman center during next years basketball games. That place was once full for every game and now you can't get 5,000 people to show up. No one that is rational can argue with me on this point.

    I don't want to spend the people's money on a stadium that will be half empty in 5 years.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 8:47 p.m.

    The stadium is made to hold over 70,000 once all the sides are filled in. It will be at least 10 years before we talk about expansion to that size. We need the fence sitters to come on over. We know that there are are at least 10,000 fence sitters that started attending BYU games during the Lavell era as that was the best football in the state at the time. Now that BYU is in the minor leagues, the Ute nation welcomes the fence sitters. The best show on the Wasatch is the University of Utah.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 8:36 p.m.

    The Red is slowly taking over the state, more and more. A lot of Y fans I know are really starting to lose interest in BYU. Several of which all graduated from the Y. They all talk more about the USC game than the ones the Y will be playing this year. BYU football has a good future, but not nearly as exciting as Utah...IMO

    P.S. Thank you for the Utah Football billboard next to I-15 in Orem. I love it! In BYU County no less. It's great...GO UTES!!!

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 21, 2012 8:26 p.m.

    "An agreement is in place to keep the Olympic Cauldron Park in place until 2015."

    So we're talking at least 2016 before the expansion could begin?

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2012 7:56 p.m.

    It would have been nice to see some drawings of the proposed expansion, but I guess we're still several years away from that.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 7:52 p.m.

    Just please do not use scarce taxpayer monies to fund the expansion this time.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 7:44 p.m.

    Figured this would come and it is better served sooner than later.

    Go Utes!

  • #1 SLC Sports Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 7:38 p.m.

    The big question I have is 55,000 enough? There is little doubt that with Utah's Pac-12 affiliation there will continue to be a shift in fan interest along the Wasatch Front, away from that school down south. USC, UCLA, the Arizona, Oregon & Wasington schools will attract more interest than Idaho, NM-State who BYU is only going to be able to schedule. Interestingly Tom Holmoe admitted that their attendance is falling off. What's he going to say in a few years when BYU can't even outdraw Weber State let alone Utah State?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 7:38 p.m.

    I love being in a bc$ league

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 7:18 p.m.

    Wouldn't be too soon with 98% renewal rates for season tickets and sold out games with rising ticket prices. Along with completing the bowl, I think they can also increase the height of the north end zone seats, adding another thousand or so.

  • da_gimp Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 7:07 p.m.

    I can see it now, and it is amazing.