Expansion would bring changes to Olympic Cauldron Park
I can see it now, and it is amazing.
Wouldn't be too soon with 98% renewal rates for season tickets and sold out
games with rising ticket prices. Along with completing the bowl, I think they
can also increase the height of the north end zone seats, adding another
thousand or so.
I love being in a bc$ league
The big question I have is 55,000 enough? There is little doubt that with
Utah's Pac-12 affiliation there will continue to be a shift in fan interest
along the Wasatch Front, away from that school down south. USC, UCLA, the
Arizona, Oregon & Wasington schools will attract more interest than Idaho,
NM-State who BYU is only going to be able to schedule. Interestingly Tom Holmoe
admitted that their attendance is falling off. What's he going to say in a
few years when BYU can't even outdraw Weber State let alone Utah State?
Figured this would come and it is better served sooner than later. Go Utes!
Just please do not use scarce taxpayer monies to fund the expansion this time.
It would have been nice to see some drawings of the proposed expansion, but I
guess we're still several years away from that.
"An agreement is in place to keep the Olympic Cauldron Park in place until
2015."So we're talking at least 2016 before the expansion
The Red is slowly taking over the state, more and more. A lot of Y fans I know
are really starting to lose interest in BYU. Several of which all graduated from
the Y. They all talk more about the USC game than the ones the Y will be playing
this year. BYU football has a good future, but not nearly as exciting as
Utah...IMOP.S. Thank you for the Utah Football billboard next to
I-15 in Orem. I love it! In BYU County no less. It's great...GO UTES!!!
The stadium is made to hold over 70,000 once all the sides are filled in. It
will be at least 10 years before we talk about expansion to that size. We need
the fence sitters to come on over. We know that there are are at least 10,000
fence sitters that started attending BYU games during the Lavell era as that was
the best football in the state at the time. Now that BYU is in the minor
leagues, the Ute nation welcomes the fence sitters. The best show on the Wasatch
is the University of Utah.
I'd like to see the university have 10 years of sold out games before this
happens. I've seen enough cycles of Utah fandom to know that after being
in the lower half of the pac 12 for 5 years in a row, fans will stop coming to
the games.What proof do I have?Go take a visit to the
Huntsman center during next years basketball games. That place was once full
for every game and now you can't get 5,000 people to show up. No one that
is rational can argue with me on this point.I don't want to
spend the people's money on a stadium that will be half empty in 5 years.
This article makes it sound as if we're just now considering expanding the
stadium. However, stadium expansion was being vetted even before we finished
the last expansion back in '98. During the last expansion, the stadium was
built to be expandable by an ADDITIONAL 10-15 thousand seats over the 45K
stadium capacity we have right NOW.Personally, I think we should go
to at least 60K. We already have the infrastructure, so let's just get it
done.After that, the U might like to take a tour of Beaver Stadium
up here at Penn State to see how to expand OVER existing structures. Penn State
has one of the coolest stadiums I'd ever seen. Even though its
construction is sort of a "patchwork" deal, it still looks super
awesome!Go Lions!GO UTES!!!
Come on Ute fans, spit it out, you want a stadium bigger and better than BYU,
this is what the conversation is all about. Being in BYU's shadow for all
these years is all that you care to get away from.It's
hilarious to see these comments."shift in fan interest""Y fans... starting to lose interest""BYU in the minor
leagues""“It’ll be driven primarily by the
athletic department as it regards continuing success with the football program
obviously,” Perez said. “There are no plans as of yet as to when
that would occur, but it is an opportunity that we’re aware of.”Not sure how being 4-5 in conference qualifies for an expanded stadium.
Another case for Ute math I'm guessing.Lifelong Republican
needs to head up the committee.
If they only add 10,000 seats it would still only be the 7th largest stadium in
4-5 has nothing to do with 5 years in a row of sold out games. All games are
sold out again this year plus us season ticket holders are paying additional
fees. The only sold out game was against Utah. Attendance in Provo is dwindling
while Utah needs more seats. Football is King. Hoops will improve as Utah
improves. The growing population in Utah includes thousands from the West Coast
that are naturally gravitating to Utah as many have nothing in common with BYU.
Utah has a better product and the gap is widening.
Sammy G..Utah went 4-5 their 1st year in the PAC 12 and did it with a d-2
quarter back. It's really funny though, because that same team that went
4-5 in PAC play beat your team (BYU) by 44 points in Prove.
Jenny83What's funny, is the same team that enjoyed a perfect
storm game against BYU in September, faltered the rest of the season, never
beating a single PAC opponent with a winning record, and losing home games to
TWO teams with LOSING records, including that humiliating defeat to 10-loss
Colorado, a team that hadn't won a road game in FOUR years.Finishing 3rd in the weakest division of any major conference, and 8th
overall, is nothing to brag about.Bottom line:BYU(10-3)
#25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 SagarinUtah(8-5) no votes in either poll, #39
You can join the cause to add 10,000 seats to RES by joining the RESolUtes
facebook group. Just search RESolUtes on facebook or "resolutes
facebook" on google and click "like" to join. This is pretty cool
that the U is looking into getting expansion going. We need it if Michigan,
USC, and others are going to be coming to town.
@Lifelong BYU fanSince 1998 when RES seating capacity went from 33K
to 45K, annual attendance has increased to capacity.Attendance as %
of capacity: 2011Utah 100.29BYU 94.102010Utah #11 100.98BYU #38 95.84FYI... When Alabama was losing
they were averaging 82K annual attendance, now when they are winning close to
102K annual attendance. That's a 20% drop-off. Even if Utah
drops by 20% when losing and not even factoring in PAC-12 games, attendance will
be around 35K; which was back 2001 with MWC teams.Clearly a trend
exists to suggest Utah needs to upgrade to meet demand.
Always hilarious to witness byu fans try in vain to denigrate UTAH after they
whooped their team by 44-points on their homefield and after their team played
one of the nation's absolute weakest schedules....Brilliant, to say the
very least....Just observe as byu's win-total drops precipitously as their
SOS is gradually upgraded....It's inevitable, particularly when one
witnesses the obscene-decline in recruiting they're experiencing....Nobody
drafted in 2 years? Not at all surprising, making perfect-sense.This expansion can't come soon enough and UTAH Football will only
escalate in superiority in the years to come....Let's maximize our 3
warm-up games to begin this year and come down here ready to obliterate ASU in
Sun Devil Stadium....GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sammygNot sure how being 4-5 in conference qualifies for an expanded
stadium. Another case for Ute math I'm guessing.-------------Let me help you out...Going 4-5 in the
PAC-12 still resulted in 98% renewal rate in season-tickets. Utah is over
capacity.How did you do going 10-3 with a WAC-lite schedule? Are
you guys expanding to "legacy" level program levels yet (ie USC, Texas,
Alabama)? In total attendance BYU was #26 last year just ahead of
the other legacy football program Kentucky.
byu played exactly 3 good teams last year and, not surprisingly, went 0-3
against them....Clearly, the coaches never looked at their schedule when voting,
just their record....CU's SOS was 4 times stronger than
byu's....Clearly, CU would've had double-digit wins w/such a
weak-schedule as byu's.
utes, you must be so proud. 55k 5 years off. let let players play and all the
wannabes. other than penalized usc the pac 10 plus 2 isn't all that great
Based on the last couple of years one would think this is a no brainer, expand
that crackerbox and get more peope in there. But of course cooler heads are not
so quick to do it, why is that? Because there is more than ample evidence to
suggest spending 60 million dollars to expand a stadium that will empty faster
than a reservoir behind a dam breach once the mediocrity sets in is not a wise
thing to do.If utah "fans" don't think chris hill and
the other powers that be at the university don't pay attention to
what's occured at the hc and realize how tenuous and fickle the utah
"fan"base truly is then they are far more deluded than we think. What it will take to actually expand that stadium is utah "fans"
still filling it after several mediocre to poor years. And the good news is that
they are going to get the chance to prove they'll still fill it in those
situations right away. Honest utah "fans" know this to be
true, they won't admit it out loud but they know it.
By the time the Olympic park agreement expires there will be no basis for
expanding RES as the flash-in-the pan Ute football program will once again be on
the decline. It'll be back to passing out free tickets along with your
Happy meal just to get anybody to park their carcass there for a few hours. You
all hope I'm wrong but quietly know the odds are against expansion.
UteologyWho cares about percentage of capacity? BYU has averaged
more than 15,000 more fans per game than Utah since 1982!Economics
101 teaches that supply and demand will naturally balance each other over time.
The reason RES only seats 45,000 is because there's never been enough
demand to expand the supply. BYU was drawing more than 46,000 fans BEFORE Cougar
Stadium was expanded to 65,000 THIRTY years ago!
I don't understand how we can in good conscience support football in this
country. The evidence that it causes serious brain damage is overwhelming. The
same sort of injuries that turned Muhammad Ali into a shell of his former self
are so common in football that it seems almost criminal to encourage young
people to begin the sport. I understand the pride felt by having a winning
football team, but folks should read about the downside of the "sport".
Those who object to their children taking methamphetamines or other drugs should
compare the brain scans of drug users with long-term football players.
There's not much difference in the extent of the damage.
Naval Vet"This article makes it sound as if we're just now
considering expanding the stadium. However, stadium expansion was being vetted
even before we finished the last expansion back in '98."So
how is this even newsworthy if, as the article states, the Utes are still
studying the possibility of future stadium expansion?BYU has had
plans in place to expand LES for over thirty years, in fact, the footings to add
a second tier to the east side stands were built when the stadium was expanded
@ #1 SLC Sports FanI follow both teams and wish them both well and
I'm really not into the "My dad can beat up your dad" drivel that
has taken over anything Utah/BYU, but BYU has been playing big name teams in LES
for 20 years.
Wow, an upgrade to 55k seats...the team will have to be nearly undefeated to
fill even 50k of those seats. The U is a commuter school and the lack of crowds
in the stadium year in and year out prove that. I hope they can fill it and
they really do need a 70k seat stadium if they plan to be a perennial PAC power.
@sammyg BYU football attendance is on the decline, BYU AD recently
admitted to this, also the recent Groupon for BYU football tickets is not a good
Why not just fill in the corners. It would probably add 15,000 and make it a
good bowl shape, that way you do not have to do anything to the Olympic area.
You Utah fans are so funny with your put downs. Why not build both
teams up instead of trying to tear the other team down. Seems un-Christian in
mussingaround (1 of 2):"What's funny, is the same team that
enjoyed a perfect storm game against BYU in September, faltered the rest of the
season, never beating a single PAC opponent with a winning record..."And how many Pac-12 teams with winning records did the Indy-WACers beat?
Answer: ZERO!But since the Utes POUNDED our
mid-majorey little brother by 44-pts down there in "WAC"istan...HUGE
edge: Utah."Finishing 3rd in the weakest division of any major
conference, and 8th overall, is nothing to brag about."Did you
frantically and emotionally make that up? Where had it been reported that the
Pac-12 South was the weakest division of any major conference? Here are the
FACTS for 2011:(1) The Pac-12 went 2-0 vs. the ACC (Utah &
Stanford beat Ga. Tech & Duke).(2) The Pac-12 was rated as a tougher
conference than the ACC by both ESPN and Phil Steele. I have yet to see ANY
publication give the edge to the ACC...
mussingaround (2 of 2):(3) Utah finished 2011 with the 3rd-best
record in the Pac-12 South. Ga. Tech finished with the 2nd-best record in the
ACC Coastal. BOTH teams finished with the 4th-best overall W/L records in their
respective conferences. Therefore, Pac-12 South #3 > ACC Coastal #2. Edge:
Pac-12 South.(4) The Pac-12 played 9-conference games. The ACC only
played 8. That gives the Pac-12 and automatic additional 6-losses in overall
W/L records, so comparing overall W/L records becomes moot. Especially
considering all of points 1, 2, and 3 above.So either produce a
legitimate source that places the Pac-12 South as the 8th worst major conference
division, or you're tacitly admitting you were just being a "jealous,
frantic and emotional Utah-hater".
mcdugall"BYU football attendance is on the decline,..."There's absolutely no evidence to support a slight dip in
attendance the last couple of years as being a sign of any long-term pattern of
decline in BYU football attendance.A dip in attendance at LES, means
only 60,000 fans in the stands.A dip in attendance at RES, means
less than 40,000 fans in the stands. We've already seen what
happens to fan support at Utah as soon as the Utes hit a losing skid - actual
attendance at the HC last season was clearly less than 5,000. Despite the
reported attendance figures of close to 8,000, you could clearly see hundreds of
empty seats in the lower bowl and a nearly empty upper bowl for every Utah
game.A couple of back-to-back 5-7 seasons and no bowls, and the
exact same thing will be happening at RES.
Apparently someone forgot to get BY-Fan's approval on this project.? The
comments above about why Utah shouldn't expand are hilarious. Stop
pointing to last season's struggles as a reason to discount Utah. They
killed BYU at home, then hit a rough patch. BYU went on to play 4-5 high-school
teams to pad their schedule. The expansion has nothing to do with last season.
It is about an increasing fan base and demand. If BYU-Fan's rational was
correct, ticket sales would be way down this year. Think again. See you in
#1 SLC Sports Fan:Yes - 55k will be plenty, except when Notre Dame
comes to town. Oh wait, that will never happen.
SportsCenter:"A dip in attendance at LES, means only 60,000 fans
in the stands.....A dip in attendance at RES, means less than 40,000 fans in the
stands."Just making up facts as you go along, eh Sportscenter?
Unfortunately, when dealing with Ute fans, FACTs always end up being
produced.Here is Utah's attendance over the past few
seasons:2007: 42,5932008: 45,5422009: 45,155 -- Drop
in attendance = 387. Still 5,156 fans over your frantic and emotional sub 40K
estimate.2010: 45,4592011: 45,149 -- Drop in attendance = 310.
Still 5,150 fans over your frantic and emotional sub 40K estimate.**
Despite 2 separate declines in attendance, 4 out of those last 5 seasons showed
Utah AVERAGING over-capacity crowds. Average attendance drops: 348.5. Not over
5,017.Now let's see how the Indy-WACers fared...2007: 64,4972008: 64,102 -- Drop in attendance = 3952009:
64,2362010: 61,381 -- Drop in attendance = 2,8552011: 60,265 --
Drop in attendance = 1,116** The Y shows only 3 of the last 5 with
overcapacity crowds. Average attendance drops: 1,455.3.Edge:
haha, maybe they should start winning in the Pac 12 before they start building!
Typical Utah fans counting their chickens.....Gotta love the pride cycle....
This expansion should only come after the basketball practice facility is
Naval Vet60,265 (BYU's lowest attendance in the last five
years) is still nearly 15,000 MORE than45,459
(Utah's highest attendance EVER)Only a desperate, delusional
Utah fan would try to spin filling a cracker box to over-capacity gives any sort
of "edge" to Utah.Bottom line:BYU drew 421,855
fans in 2011 versus 270,894 for Utah.Doing the math, BYU had gate
receipts from 150,961 more fans than Utah, in 2011, or more than THREE
filled-to-overflowing sellouts at RES.Congratulations on making
plans to possibly expand RES in FIVE years to 10,000 seats LESS than LES. At
this rate, it could take another 50 years for RES grow to the size of LES,
assuming, of course, that BYU never expands LES again.Once a little
brother, always a little brother.
I love naval vet meltdowns like the one in this thread. Very entertaining. LOL!
Love how the Cougar "fans" point to basketball attendance as if that is
relevant. Football is king."We've already seen what
happens to fan support at Utah as soon as the Utes hit a losing skid - actual
attendance at the HC last season was clearly less than 5,000"Why
not point to the losing skid the Utes suffered just last season in football?
Lost their first 4 conference games and RES was still packed for the Oregon St
game where they got the first PAC win of the season.I have a case in
point for current demand: I sold 9 north end zone tickets for nearly 4x face
value in under 24 hours when I posted them on KSL. We've averaged at or
near 100% attendance for over 8 years. Utah football isn't fading anytime
soon, so keep trying with your jabs Coug "fans", it's all you have
Since the LES is not used on Saturdays after September, why doesn't Utah
just play there?
If Utah took out their seats and put in LES stadium bleacher benches they could
raise capacity by 15,000.If Utah took out seats and put in Marriott
Center bleacher benches they could double the Huntsman Center.
Listen, Cougar fans you need to face the facts. Fact#1
Ive been to byu games, and most of the fan base consists of kids and geriatric
senior citizens telling people to sit down and shut up Fact#2 If you havent noticed, Utah is in the Pac-12. What does
this mean? It means that USC / UCLA / Stanford / Oregon / Cal etc. will be
coming to Rice Eccles Every year. This is the difference between down years in
the past, this will sustain the crowd and season ticket renewal vs years past
when the dregs of the mtn west and wac would come to town. Oh
wait, that is what byu has to look forward toLOLGo Utes!
Why is it enjoyable to see someone have meltdown and funny to touch a nerve? I
am not even sure those things happened, as it's likely they were induced to
be interpreted as such. Still, is that cause for LOL. Oh brother I say.
JennyA happy 17-14 to you this day!Lose to Colorado
again this year and watch the fans scatter.Being the perennial 6th,
7th or 8th place loser in your conference does not bode well for your delusional
dream of stadium expansion.
If BYU sold out the Utah game, why did it look half empty in the fourth quarter?
‘University of Utah eyes future stadium expansion’Why
does this touch the nerve of so many cougars?
I agree it would have been nice to see some plans. But it's not hard to
envision what is planned. The article notes the expansion would create a bowl,
meaning the south end zone seating will be expanded to attach to both east and
west sides of the stadium. I imagine that would add about 50 rows of seating
with an average of 100 seats per row in each new section, which means 5,000
seats in each new section, or a total of 10,000 seats.My biggest
question is whether they plan to demolish the current south end zone seating to
do this expansion. That would be a terrible waste given how recently that
seating was constructed. Planners should certainly have envisioned an expansion
of this nature when the current seating was built, and designed accordingly.
TomYeah like when Michigan comes to LES right? Oh wait, they're
coming to RES along with USC, Oregon, Stanford and UCLA. Stadium smack is all
you got....for now.Love it.
LES has to have 65,000 seats. How else would they fit all those elderly people
and 35,000 screaming kids running around. My work gives out football tickets to
every game each year and I've been to quite a few. Mainly because I have a
lot of good friends/co-workers who are Y fans. And I love football. But I cannot
believe how many screaming obnoxious kids there are running around. And old
folks who barely move during the entire game. Sometimes I think they've
passed away and nobody notices. So yes Y fans, be very proud of that 65,000
"fan" base. It is something to be proud of.
@RockwellWho cares about percentage of capacity? --------------Obviously you don't since you can't fill
your stadium. That same can't be said of Utah, 55K expansion
should keep up with demand for the growing program.
Supply and demand. There aren't enough seats for the people who want to go
to see the Utes play.Trying to make it something other than that is
just histrionics.I can't wait for the season to start. At
least then, some of this childish back and forth will be about what happens on
Cowboy DudeSAINT GEORGE, UT‘University of Utah eyes
future stadium expansion’Why does this touch the nerve of so
many cougars?----------Since they can't beat us on
the field stadium size is the ONLY thing they have left.
@ 17-14 hurts don't it?Happy 54-10 Day to you! Lose
to Utah again for the third straight year and 8 of the last 11 seasons and watch
their fans scatter and LES attendance drop. Just remember, one loss
and BYU is Kraft Fight World Hunger Bowl bound every year as a mid-major Notre
Dame wannabe independent.Oh and losing to your big brothers up north
54-10 on your home field and your team quit. Hurts Don't It!
The U deserves the expansion for sure. Being in the PAC 12 means UCS and others
come to town now so an expanded stadium would certainly sell out.
re:WallbangerThis scene is going to play out year after year where
the U has teams like UCS coming to town and the Y has Idaho State. This is BIG
vs little going forward. I suspect the U will get to the top of the league one
of these years and at that time they better have the 55000 seats ready. I think
the Y will always get around 60000 for games regardless of whom they play. Y
fans are really loyal no matter the state of the program. BYU football anymore
is more of just a nice family fall afternoon experience complete with
nacho's , hotdogs and half time fun etc... Football is secondary.
Wallganger is correct in that the real "football" fans at the Y are
leaving or at least not buying tickets anymore (like myself) but there are
always other - non-football types- ready to snap up the tickets. Face it Y fans
- the glory days are over for good but enjoy those nachos as you watch BYU
compete against those mean Weber State Wildcats!! Maybe next year you will get
to see Dixie State in Provo!! The food tastes great either way.
Also how about rebuilding the Nielsen Fieldhouse? Could put seats on top
of the new Fieldhouse.Not sure if they should connect it to the stadium or
not. It could be like the Wrigley rooftops.
ConferenceofUtahBottomDwellers"I've been to BYU games, and
most of the fan base consists of kids and geriatric senior citizens telling
people to sit down and shut up."Then you're obviously just
spouting off with absolutely no factual basis because the number of BYU students
attending BYU games is several times the size of the MUSS."If
you havent noticed, Utah is in the Pac-12."Yeah, we've
noticed. The Utes have gone from being a conference championship contender,
lately, to being a conference bottom dweller, as usual:8th in
football, with not a single win over a conference foe with a winning record11th in basketballlast or next to last in every other men's
sportA couple of 5-7 seasons and no bowls and the Utes will abandon
their football team just like they abandoned their once proud basketball team.
patriot"The U deserves the expansion for sure.""Deserving" is irrelevant - what Hill has to decide is whether he
wants to waste millions on a sea of empty red chairs when the inevitable losing
skid happens on the hill.
Cowboy Dude"If BYU sold out the Utah game, why did it look half
empty in the fourth quarter?"Same reason RES looked 3/4 empty in
the fourth quarter when the "national championship contending" Utes were
destroyed 7-47 by TCU.
Sports Authority --- I'm sorry that Utah has had 2 undefeated seasons in
the last 8 years. I'm sorry that BYU just can't seem to beat Utah
hardly ever. 30% of the time in the last decade. That's sad! I'm also
sorry that BYU got whooped by 44 points in Provo last year by the Utes. That
would be a lot for any Byu fan to have to deal with.
Sports Authority -- I'm really sorry that the Utes make you so discouraged.
Why don't we let the two teams play the games this year. Based on the
results at the end of the season, we can then determine who was the better team.
Personally, I would like to see both teams be successful and have two powerful
programs in the area. Bragging about beating a weak team isn't really worth
Adding 10,000 seats would move us from 11th to 7th in the PAC-12. We won't
be breathing the rarefied (and smog polluted) air that USC and UCLA have, but I
think being on par with Oregon and Arizona works well.The article
did say at least 10,000 seats. It could be more.
some typically hilarious jealousy from the fans down south as Utah shows it
continues to grow and threaten the fragile egos of those same fans.The
funniest part of the cougar fans' comments is how no one will show up at
RES if/when Utah struggles with mediocre records in the Pac 12. Yet it's
those same fans that like to point out how Utah finished "8th" last year
and 4-5 in league play. So here's the obvious question ... why after such a
terrible year has Utah managed to basically already sell out all of it's
games this year??? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?Check StubHub or KSL
and look at what Utah tickets are going for. The only way I could get a ticket
to the BYU game was to buy it FROM BYU!!!! Funny thing though, I'm selling
those two tickets and doubling what I paid so I can make a down payment on two
tickets to the USC that will cost me at least another $200. That's right
... cheapest BYU tickets at RES are $110. Cheapest tickets to USC are close to
$200.And this after finishing 8th! Enough said.
motorbike"some typically hilarious jealousy from the fans down
south..."Jealous of what, Utah thinking about expanding its
stadium some day, and even IF that happens, RES capacity will still be 10,000
seat smaller than LES.I am a Utah man and I live across the green
with jealousy that Utah will forever be BYU's little brother.
Hey Phoenix -- Utah clobbered byu by 44 points in Happy Valley last year and has
beat them 7 out of the last 10 years. Who is the little brother here.
Jenny83"Hey Phoenix... Who is the little brother here?BYU(10-3) #25 Coaches/#26 AP/#34 SagarinUtah(8-5) unranked/#39
SagarinObviously, U are!
@motorbikeWe have discussed this before and you know the reasons,
you just want to pretend like you don't.utah and its
"fans" are currently in a honeymoon stage. They have had unprecedented
succes, for them at least, over the last 8-9 years and were included in an
expansion of the PAC 10. That IS exciting and it HAS made for increased interest
and attendence for the program. Afterall everyone loves a winner.But
the honeymoon will not last forever, they never do, and the relationship with
utah and its "fans" will return to a more relaxed and familiar state
than it currently enjoys. And that is waht chris hill and the powers that be at
utah have to consider. And they don't have to look any further than the
huntsman center for evidence of what will occur when the honeymoon ends and some
less that stellar results occur, and that WILL happen at some point. When it
does are they better served having spent 10's of millions to expand a
stadium now half empty or would they have been better off spending that money
Like it or not for utah "fans" but utah is still mainly a commuter
school and it is still just the number 2 draw in this market. Its
"fan"base is famously fickle and it is tenuous. Many people that
previously did not care have hopped on board because of the recent excitement, I
know many and I am sure you do to, but outside of that most of those people have
no real ties to the school or the program, they simply want to be a part of the
current happenings.But with nothing to really tie so many of them to
the school outside of just enjoying the ride it is important for the utah
leadership to figure out how many of them will remain actual ticket purchasers
and game attendees when the inevitable downturn comes along.I know utah
"fans" cannot fathom that ever occuring again but it will at some point.
That is why there has been so little talk of expansion from the
actual leadership at utah, they know who and what they are and who and what
their "fan"base is. They need a longer termshowing of support from their
"fans" before doing it.
DuckhunterWell spoken.There isn't a program in the
PAC 12 that hasn't gone through a period of mediocrity or worse. The 5-7,
no bowl seasons for Utah are unavoidable and the vast sea of empty seats
currently seen at the Huntsman Center could easily be repeated at RES WHEN, not
IF, Utah hits its first losing skid.Hill can thank the Olympic
Cauldron for giving him several more years to think about expanding RES before
actually having to decide whether or not to proceed.
Listen, I have one question, and one question only for these byu "fans"
and their harping on the PAC 12. What would you do if the PAC 12
called and invited you?I think your opinion and highly derogatory
remarks would surely change. Face it cougar fans, we are living your
dream. Enjoy las cruces in November. LOL!
To Duckhunter...USC, UCLA & CAL are commuter schools. Someone
seems to be grasping on to anything.
As has been pointed out in other comments, this is not a new concept. It was
indicated during the last expansion that the south end would be rebuilt sometime
in the future. More recently, the U indicated that joining the PAC12 would mean
that would need to expand the stadium. So I wonder, what is Mike and company up
to.On a related note, perhaps the torch and the museum should be
moved to the Olympic Park. But the Hoberman Arch should be moved to Pioneer
Park where it was first proposed. I understand that all the parts to the
Hoberman Arch are still in a warehouse and that it could be rebuilt and be
operable. And SLC is currently hosting concerts on a regular basis in Pioneer
Park. It could be a good fit.
I think if Utah does expand their stadium they should paint Utah fans pictures
on the seats. That way it would look like all those empty seats are filled. It
would be great for TV.
Move the torch into the stadium. Don't you dare move it from the stadium
area. USC still uses their torch for events.
CoC"What would you do if the PAC 12 called and invited
you?"Sorry, you've misread the tea leaves. BYU fans would
be thrilled to have BYU in the PAC 12, because unlike U, BYU would actually be
competitive in many sports, including the Olympic sports.The problem
BYU fans have with Utah fans is their arrogant attitude based on absolutely
NOTHING. The PAC 12 produced nine NCAA champions in 2011-12, and Utah
wasn't even close to being involved. Try at least finishing in the upper
half of the conference before beating your gums any more about being in the
"conference of champions". So far Utah has been nothing but
bottom-dwelling cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference.
Lots of discussion by Duckhunter and his friends on another PAC 12 article.I guess they don't have anything to say about the WAC champions in
Provo over on a BYU article.
It's sad how many BYU "fans" (ducky, sammy, sportsfan, etc.) spend
all of their time trolling University of Utah articles these days trying to get
their digs in. If I were you, I would be more concerned with trying to be
competitive after a 44-point blowout loss to your rivals. But then,
you always have the Idaho, Weber State, San Jose State, and New Mexico State
games to hang your hat on.
GoRedWEST VALLEY CITY, UTTo Ducky and Samantha there was no
game last year.They were in Tulsa.
54-IQIt's laughable how trivial 4-5 is compared to 54.GoRedAren't U forgetting, every one of those teams would
slaughter Northern Colorado, and one or two of them would have had a decent
chance against 10-loss Colorado.
SportsFanOrem, UTCoC"What would you do if the PAC 12
called and invited you?"Sorry, you've misread the tea
leaves. BYU fans would be thrilled to have BYU in the PAC 12, because unlike U,
BYU would actually be competitive in many sports, including the Olympic
sports.The problem BYU fans have with Utah fans is their arrogant
attitude based on absolutely NOTHING. The PAC 12 produced nine NCAA champions in
2011-12, and Utah wasn't even close to being involved. Try at least
finishing in the upper half of the conference before beating your gums any more
about being in the "conference of champions". So far Utah has been
nothing but bottom-dwelling cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference.>>>I am so tired of fellow BYU fans saying
things like this. You can't predict how well BYU would do in the PAC 12. We
will never know how competitive we would be.
Hey sports fan,Enjoy watching the big boys play from the sidelines.
I hear las cruces in November is just wonderful. LOL!
'girlse'Wow, you are really wasting your time on these
DNews articles lately. I keep telling you that your time would be better spent
at DirectTV's Facebook page.One more week and still no Pac 12
Network deal for satellite. No one is surprised and I'm sure some of you
are having blood pressure problems over this.Let me help.Nothing more stressful than having to talk to Comcast or some other provider
requesting service and then calling Dishnet or DirectTV explaining you want to
disconnect your satellite... unless of course you have no other options and then
the last option is to ask me to send you a DVD.Happy to help a Ute
in a week, espn or pac 10 plus 2 network? wow!
no conference championship for UNice try imposter; one thing we do
know, you were so humiliated by how uncompetitive U were in your first year in
the PAC, that you've been forced to pretend you're a BYU fan just to
save yourself the embarrassment of admitting where your true loyalties lie.
Maybe I'm confused. . . They're going to increase out stadium size to
10,000? I thought the stadium held more than that already. It doesn't seem
that much smaller than LES that the TDS uses. Isn't their stadium like 27K
or something like that? Well, as soon as we can get 10K fans to show up at games
we'll just be that much louder and harder to beat at home.
I have pointed this out several times but for those of you who keep repeating
misinformation when RES was rebuilt in 1998 no tax money was expended. The
construction was funded by donations and revenue bonds paid back by ticket and
concession sales. The Olympics leased RES in 2002 and paid a lease for its use
as any other entity would be required to do. Any new expansion will be funded
again without tax payer money.To the BYU fans clamoring for new
expanded decks to be built at LES, well good luck with that. It is a lot of
wishful thinking. BYU is not a state institution so unlike the U it must apply
to the City of Provo for a building permit. Salt Lake City has no such
jurisdiction over projects at the U. Back in 1984 BYU wanted to build decks on
their stadium but was denied a building permit from Provo City because of the
protests and objections of the neighborhoods surrounding LES over height and
sight line issues. Nothing has changed much since. Those neighborhoods have
recently objected to an eight story building being built at the MTC. So good
DutchmanThanks for your concern, but I haven't seen any BYU
fans "clamoring" for expansion, so why are you whining about it?
GoRed"It's sad how many BYU "fans" (ducky, sammy,
sportsfan, etc.) spend all of their time trolling University of Utah articles
these days trying to get their digs in."Posted on BYU articles
by GoRed:- "Does the kid know that there's an honor code?
Cut his hair, and he's 100 lbs. lighter."- "Even new
BYU recruits are all obsessed with the University of Utah."-
"A new rival? That's a bit of a stretch, considering that they've
played exactly one time, and the people of Wisconsin are hardly aware of who BYU
is."hmmmm, a bit of the pot calling the kettle black,
wouldn't you say?
@Cougar BlueI am a lifelong Ute fan and I neither hated or liked
BYU, up until the time a few short years ago when Max Hall made his tirade about
Utah. He was just voicing the opinion of most BYU fans. This after BYU WON.
After that day I find it hard to root for BYU in anything. It is
not because they are poor losers, it is because they are poor winners.Go UTES
Swoop,Sorry, I forgot. BYU can't fill their stadium anymore or
sell all the season tickets because of the WAC schedule. But contrary to your
comment there were a few on this board who mentioned LES expansion and
specifically building decks. As long as BYU has to get that building permit
from the local politicians you can forget about it. But as you suggest it will
probably never be needed. BTW, Pointing out facts, which is what I
do, is not whining.
Just think...In a few yrs, LES may be the ideal place to hold a
multi-region Ice Cream Social!?
It's exciting to see this football program grow.Also, LOL at
everyone claiming expansion will only result in sea of red chairs. Adding more
seats to the stadium also brings the potential of expanding the fan base. This
allows the program to grow. Not expanding on the basis that there will be down
years where attendance lags is pure cowardice. It's no different than
people who were saying Utah should stay in the MWC because they won't be
able to compete in the PAC. Utah has been afforded great opportunity by its new
conf. affiliation and it would be foolish to not take full advantage. Luckily
the leaders at the U don't seem to have the same attitude at many of the
BYU posters here and our taking steps to improve academics and athletics across