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Published: Tuesday, Aug. 21 2012 5:27 p.m. MDT

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Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

If LDS Democrats don't have anything to be ashamed of perhaps they should encourage Mr. Obama to come to Utah and campaign for Rep. Jim Matheson. Why is it that Mr. Matheson is so shy about supporting our current president? You'll never hear the president's name escape Matheson's lips.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

I suffer from:

Liberal
Deficiency
Syndrome

Well, actually I enjoy it. I could give many reasons that the LDS faith and the modern Democrat party are mutually exclusive but he DN screeners would deny the post.

Lets just say that when you consider that parties position on abortion, gay rights, and a myriad of other issues it violates the tenants of my religion on multiple fronts.

Phranc
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@rifleman and rock
very clever hollow comments, I guess this is what now passes for talking about the issues.

killpack
Sandy, UT

For me, as a God-fearing, freedom-loving, government hating, anarchist Mormon, it comes down to this: Republicans have made some horrible decisions in the Halls of Congress. Namely, Republicans overwhelmingly voted in favor of the atrocity known as TARP. Only 15 Republican Senators out of 49 voted against it. Pretty shameful. However, only 9 of 48 Democrats voted against the scam. Significantly worse! In the House, a similar picture emerges. 108 out of 199 Republicans rejected the TARP ripoff. Again, not good. But it's still over 50%. Yet, only 63 of 235 Democrats rejected it! Do you see where I am going with this? Democrats are far more likely to rip you off! This is just one example of taking money, by force, from hard working Americans struggling to pay bills and giving it to wealthy, special interests, all in the name of equality and social justice. It is simply un-Christian. If you are LDS, Christian, Buddhist, believe in Karma, or just plain don't believe in ripping people off, how can you possibly support the Democratic party over Republicans, when they (Democrats) are statistically more likely to rip people off?

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT
"very clever hollow comments, I guess ..... "

My comment was spot on. No politician in Utah is going to link his (or her) campaign to Obama's boat anchor. In Utah Republicans believe we should execute condemned killers on death row and spare the lives of the innocent viable unborn.

That may seem hollow to some but not to us.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

An LDS Democrats is a welcome step on the right direction.

Hopefully it will expand the vision of the Saints toward politics and society.

Senator Reid is a great example of what a Saint and a politician should be, I'm so glad he is supporting this movement.

Phranc
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@rifleman
Funny how in your first post you made generalized statements and are now trying to cover them up by giving one or two examples of issues you find important. I do realize everyone can see your first post. I would also as that actually it would be you not us, I also live in SLC and I do happen to be a Democrat and personally know several IDS Democratic leaders and they do not all share your views. If you would like to talk about the death penalty and abortion then lets have a discussion about that but lets set aside the political hyperbole for once.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Rifleman
Probably the same reason that Rehburg (R-MT) runs ads against the Ryan budget, political expediency. Being a Democrat doesn't get you elected in Utah (Matheson is an exception due to the fact that he practically never votes Democratic on anything important).

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Utah and Mormons in general used to be heavily deomcratic, until the dems adopted abortion and gay marraige as their central planks. the democratic party left the Latter Day Saints, not the other way around.

Hopefully more mormons in the dem party will disabuse it of its anti-family positions, like federally funded abortion on demand and the assault on marriage. But I'm not holding my breath.

Baccus,
I disagree with your assessment of harry reid. I have a difficult time reconciling his vote against the marriage amendment to LDS doctrine, especially when the LDS first presidency asked church members to lobby their congressional delegations in favor of the amendment. I also have a difficult time reconciling his votes in favor of abortion with LDS doctrine.

And thank you for inferring that to be LDS is to have a narrow vision, and ONLY acceptance of the dem philosophy can expand our vision. Again, a perfect example of the "benevolent tolerance" of the left.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT

'atl134' made my argument better than I ever could have. Republicans in Utah vote for Matheson because he "practically never votes Democratic on anything important". atl134 hit the nail on the head. Your typical liberal Democrat believes that “if you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that.” Your typical conservative Republican believes that we don't need government's help to build a business. They just don't know how it's done.

RG
Buena Vista, VA

Although as an active LDS, I understand the church's neutrality, and have been taught that you can be LDS and democrat, I have never been able to understand how you can be a good Mormon and support a party that officially endorses same sex marriage and abortion on demand. And that supports the type of government welfare that encourages single parenthood. And passes bills (Obamacare) without reading them (in my opinion, this is dishonest). I know that many Dem's hearts are in the right place - help the poor etc. But they think that government is the way to do that, and while there may be a legitimate role for the government as a last ditch safety net, government programs are fraught with fraud, abuse, corruption, inefficiencies, waste, and perverse incentives. The total opposite is the Law of Consecration, which cannot operate by govt. force, buy only by sacred covenant. Socialism is Satan's imitation of consecration, but they are really two different things.

Flying Finn
Murray, UT

@ Phranc

Democrats always seem so puzzled as to why the vast majority of active members of the LDS Church are Republicans. When we try to explain it you our opinions are laughed off. It doesn't bother us. Here in Utah we have about the same amount of tolerance for Democrats as Obama's party in Chicago has for Republicans.

Gr8Dane
Tremonton, UT

If Senator Harry Reid is the archtype or paragon of what Mormon Democrats are espousing, they'll not have much success converting most Utah or Western Republican mormons over.

If you look at Harry Reid's actions in the Senate, and his voting record, enabling the most radically left policy agenda of Obama over the past 4 years, it should cause everyone pause.

As Senate Leader, Harry Reid has failed to pass a single budget in 4 years. Think about it. Why hasn't he? Has decined to pass many of the necessary appropriations bills making government by "continuing resolution" the norm. (Is this an example of either competence or good government?)

He enabled the government take=over of one-sixth of the US Economy through ObamaCare.. which he rammed through the Senate with no Republican support, and he continues to threaten taking away the 60-vote threshold for fillibusters (although he used it all the time when he was minority leader). So it seems that power has gone to Harry's head. He refuses to reverse Obama's federal funding of abortion, and similar social issues. He advocates positions that many Mormons, myself included, find abhorrent.

wamba
Layton, UT

People always recite the same two issues to try to say Mormons can't be democrats. Abortion and same sex marriage. Meanwhile they support a political party that supports torture, war, racist immigration policies, and giving trillions to wealthy corporations while complaining about giving school lunch to poor children.

There are good and bad things in both political parties. And every time you say Mormons can only be republicans you are really saying to half the population of the U.S. "You're not welcome in my church."

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