If LDS Democrats don't have anything to be ashamed of perhaps they should
encourage Mr. Obama to come to Utah and campaign for Rep. Jim Matheson. Why is
it that Mr. Matheson is so shy about supporting our current president?
You'll never hear the president's name escape Matheson's lips.
I suffer from:LiberalDeficiency SyndromeWell, actually I enjoy it. I could give many reasons that the LDS faith and
the modern Democrat party are mutually exclusive but he DN screeners would deny
the post.Lets just say that when you consider that parties position
on abortion, gay rights, and a myriad of other issues it violates the tenants of
my religion on multiple fronts.
@rifleman and rockvery clever hollow comments, I guess this is what now
passes for talking about the issues.
For me, as a God-fearing, freedom-loving, government hating, anarchist Mormon,
it comes down to this: Republicans have made some horrible decisions in the
Halls of Congress. Namely, Republicans overwhelmingly voted in favor of the
atrocity known as TARP. Only 15 Republican Senators out of 49 voted against it.
Pretty shameful. However, only 9 of 48 Democrats voted against the scam.
Significantly worse! In the House, a similar picture emerges. 108 out of 199
Republicans rejected the TARP ripoff. Again, not good. But it's still over
50%. Yet, only 63 of 235 Democrats rejected it! Do you see where I am going with
this? Democrats are far more likely to rip you off! This is just one example of
taking money, by force, from hard working Americans struggling to pay bills and
giving it to wealthy, special interests, all in the name of equality and social
justice. It is simply un-Christian. If you are LDS, Christian, Buddhist, believe
in Karma, or just plain don't believe in ripping people off, how can you
possibly support the Democratic party over Republicans, when they (Democrats)
are statistically more likely to rip people off?
Re: Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT"very clever hollow comments, I guess
..... "My comment was spot on. No politician in Utah is going
to link his (or her) campaign to Obama's boat anchor. In Utah Republicans
believe we should execute condemned killers on death row and spare the lives of
the innocent viable unborn.That may seem hollow to some but not to
An LDS Democrats is a welcome step on the right direction.Hopefully
it will expand the vision of the Saints toward politics and society.Senator Reid is a great example of what a Saint and a politician should be,
I'm so glad he is supporting this movement.
@riflemanFunny how in your first post you made generalized statements and
are now trying to cover them up by giving one or two examples of issues you find
important. I do realize everyone can see your first post. I would also as that
actually it would be you not us, I also live in SLC and I do happen to be a
Democrat and personally know several IDS Democratic leaders and they do not all
share your views. If you would like to talk about the death penalty and abortion
then lets have a discussion about that but lets set aside the political
hyperbole for once.
@RiflemanProbably the same reason that Rehburg (R-MT) runs ads against the
Ryan budget, political expediency. Being a Democrat doesn't get you elected
in Utah (Matheson is an exception due to the fact that he practically never
votes Democratic on anything important).
Utah and Mormons in general used to be heavily deomcratic, until the dems
adopted abortion and gay marraige as their central planks. the democratic party
left the Latter Day Saints, not the other way around.Hopefully more
mormons in the dem party will disabuse it of its anti-family positions, like
federally funded abortion on demand and the assault on marriage. But I'm
not holding my breath.Baccus,I disagree with your assessment
of harry reid. I have a difficult time reconciling his vote against the
marriage amendment to LDS doctrine, especially when the LDS first presidency
asked church members to lobby their congressional delegations in favor of the
amendment. I also have a difficult time reconciling his votes in favor of
abortion with LDS doctrine.And thank you for inferring that to be
LDS is to have a narrow vision, and ONLY acceptance of the dem philosophy can
expand our vision. Again, a perfect example of the "benevolent
tolerance" of the left.
Re: Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT'atl134' made my argument
better than I ever could have. Republicans in Utah vote for Matheson because he
"practically never votes Democratic on anything important". atl134 hit
the nail on the head. Your typical liberal Democrat believes that “if
you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that.” Your typical
conservative Republican believes that we don't need government's help
to build a business. They just don't know how it's done.
Although as an active LDS, I understand the church's neutrality, and have
been taught that you can be LDS and democrat, I have never been able to
understand how you can be a good Mormon and support a party that officially
endorses same sex marriage and abortion on demand. And that supports the type of
government welfare that encourages single parenthood. And passes bills
(Obamacare) without reading them (in my opinion, this is dishonest). I know that
many Dem's hearts are in the right place - help the poor etc. But they
think that government is the way to do that, and while there may be a legitimate
role for the government as a last ditch safety net, government programs are
fraught with fraud, abuse, corruption, inefficiencies, waste, and perverse
incentives. The total opposite is the Law of Consecration, which cannot operate
by govt. force, buy only by sacred covenant. Socialism is Satan's imitation
of consecration, but they are really two different things.
@ PhrancDemocrats always seem so puzzled as to why the vast majority
of active members of the LDS Church are Republicans. When we try to explain it
you our opinions are laughed off. It doesn't bother us. Here in Utah we
have about the same amount of tolerance for Democrats as Obama's party in
Chicago has for Republicans.
If Senator Harry Reid is the archtype or paragon of what Mormon Democrats are
espousing, they'll not have much success converting most Utah or Western
Republican mormons over.If you look at Harry Reid's actions in
the Senate, and his voting record, enabling the most radically left policy
agenda of Obama over the past 4 years, it should cause everyone pause.As Senate Leader, Harry Reid has failed to pass a single budget in 4 years.
Think about it. Why hasn't he? Has decined to pass many of the necessary
appropriations bills making government by "continuing resolution" the
norm. (Is this an example of either competence or good government?)He enabled the government take=over of one-sixth of the US Economy through
ObamaCare.. which he rammed through the Senate with no Republican support, and
he continues to threaten taking away the 60-vote threshold for fillibusters
(although he used it all the time when he was minority leader). So it seems
that power has gone to Harry's head. He refuses to reverse Obama's
federal funding of abortion, and similar social issues. He advocates positions
that many Mormons, myself included, find abhorrent.
People always recite the same two issues to try to say Mormons can't be
democrats. Abortion and same sex marriage. Meanwhile they support a political
party that supports torture, war, racist immigration policies, and giving
trillions to wealthy corporations while complaining about giving school lunch to
poor children. There are good and bad things in both political
parties. And every time you say Mormons can only be republicans you are really
saying to half the population of the U.S. "You're not welcome in my