Razzle2 wrote:"I'm just thankful they still pray at the
conventions. They are going to need it."Need it? Praying has
never made, and will never make, a lick of difference one way or another. The
last thing we need in this country is more religious pretension and hypocritical
praying while "standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be
seen by men"!
Mormon Imperialism first took over Utah; next the Republican Party; then the
United States; and finally, the world.Fear and tremble if you are
"not worthy" in the eyes of Mormons!
It's possible a Mormon has given a prayer at just about every GOP
convention and many Democrat ones, as well. This is an important missing element
from the story. Also, there's no mention of how many prayers are given at
the convention -- one a day or more? -- and what other denominations will be
Please let it be someone that is moderate, intelligent, and that can understand
that not all Republicans are members of the Tea Party.
What a great opportunity for a person of Governor Romney's faith to pray at
the GOP convention. It will give people a view that "Mormon" prayers
are no different from other prayers to God thanking Him blessings and kindness
and also asking Him for help through difficult times of family, national and
international crises. I remember giving a prayer to God with a Prince of Saudia
Arabia at my table. People throughout the world pray everyday and multiple
times a day and this will be one of those moments. However, it won't be in
solitude or with any privacy but will be viewed by millions of people who will
see that Mormons pray in a similar way. Mormon prayers could be prayers from
people of every religion in the world. It is a soul's sincere desire to
have peace and tranquility in one's heart, family and world. It is such a blessing to have people of faith in the decision process to start
such an important event with a prayer to God asking for His help with the hearts
of men/women that will be an important message to the world about our country
bdckpakccd: "I'm just glad they're praying at all."The U.S. Senate is opened each day with prayer by the Senate Chaplain
(currently Barry Black). The same is true about the House of Representatives
and the Supreme Court. Many Cabinet meetings also start with prayer. Now,
if/when the time comes that those prayers are outlawed, then we really need to
worry about our government.
As long as the prayer is not offered by a General Authority, I see no problem.
If so, I will interpret such involvement with a partisan group as a Church
"BTW: The Book of Mormon frequently praises the people who were liberal and
shared with the poor and the needy."The Book of Mormon most
certainly isn't referring to the modern political liberalism philosophy.
If so, most members of the Church and the First Presidency and Quorum of the
Twelve would be liberals. Not even some of the "democrat" apostles are
liberal. As for sharing with the needy, I can assure you that the Book of
Mormon isn't suggesting we tax people to death to force them to share. We
should give, but food stamps isn't how the Church does welfare.
My faith informs the rest of my life. That is for me. For the folks meeting in
Tampa, or for anyone else, I cannot speak, but I am sure that something informs
the rest of their lives.
So? When I was inactive I attended a small Baptist church for awhile. The pastor
worked fulltime because the congregation was so tiny. Everyone pitched in and
cared for the building and grounds. What was collected paid for some of the
utilities, etc. Music was provided by talent from the group. And the prayers?
Sounded like the ones I heard all my life and still hear. Gee whiz. Amazing.
Maybe Christians pray a lot alike, ya think?
I've been praying for America ever since I knew who the nominees would be.
RE: UNLV, People might expect it to be different, but it's not. That's
the point.The point for Evangelicals is the object of the prayer.
Mormons pray to God an exalted man while Christians pray to the Triune God.
Christians(Protestants, Catholic, Orthodox) should not pray with Mormons,
Jehovah Witnesses….etc.Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth
not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of
Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and
bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God
speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. (2John
19-11) Gnostics (works righteousness) believed they had advanced beyond the
teaching of the Apostles. The Biblical Apostles taught Christ as incarnate
God-man. God becomes man not man becomes God.
@Allen#2"BTW: The Book of Mormon frequently praises the people
who were liberal and shared with the poor and the needy."I
can't believe you went there. What does the Book of Mormon have to say
about lawyers? I know Harry Reid is a lawyer. The Book of Mormon talks about
freely imparting of your riches. Mitt Romney has given MILLIONS to charity.
See how this works? I can use the scriptures to bash your guys and build my
guys up just as well as you can. BTW: Unemployment is 8.3%. Mitt
Romney is going to be the highest elected official who is a Mormon.
Addendum: I forgot to mention that ALL 10 of my children, and the grands that
are of college and working age, are educated and are self reliant. In case
anyone took offense at my large family. Just a thought.
Just remember: Unless Mitt Romney wins the election, Harry Reid will be the
highest elected official in the United States who is a Mormon. BTW: The
Book of Mormon frequently praises the people who were liberal and shared with
the poor and the needy.
This shouldn't be a 'big thing'. An opening prayer is an opening
prayer and in America, for the most part, people address GOD with or without in
the name of... You know, I could give that prayer, then all the bases
would be covered: I'm a senior citizen, worked all my life, now retired,
married, now widowed, have 10 children, 31 grands, 10 greats, a 'tracted
out' vs. 'born into' member of the 'Mormon' church for
34 yrs., not running for office, conservative female, and I'm of mixed
heritage! Think that covers everything that can be considered 'on the safe
side', so no one should be offended.
Sherri Dew gave a prayer at the 2004 National Republican Convention.
President Kimball was asked to pray to open the Senate one day. When very few
Senators were present others apologized. President Kimball said,
"that's OK. I'm not praying to them."
It should be noted that a Mormon, Thurl Bailey a former professional basketball
player and convert to the church, gave the invocation at the opening session of
the 2008 Republican National Convention in St. Paul Minn. I'm sure there
have been other members of the church who have given prayers at other national
political conventions. This is only news now because certain media outlets are
making it news.
Why is this news? Because the radical left thinks it's so. And the
glorified bloggers who "work" for the DesNews just repeat whatever the
radical left says. It seems all the "reporters" who work for the DesNews
do is search the web or write opinion pieces. That isn't news. It's
definitely cheap, but it isn't news.
patriot said:...and the Democratic convention will feature a Muslim
prayer???That would be refreshing. But there's a war on
religion in America being conducted by christians against all other religions
I'm just thankful they still pray at the conventions. They are going to
I'm just glad they're praying at all. Good thing this isn't
school, or they would be tied up in court for AGES.
Harry Reid gives the prayer and asks for Bill Clinton to truelly speak his mind
at the Democrat Convention where he endorses the Romney Ryan ticket! Which is
what he truelly wants to do anyhow!
I was only kidding.
Maybe Harry Reid could be the invitee. Extend the proverbial olive leaf. Just a
It's a prayer, not a Mormon prayer, just a prayer. It baffles me how the
media will try to stir up controversy over a prayer. It is a prayer people.
Just that, only that and nothing else. So if a Mormon speaks, is it new
language known as Mormon language? No, it is whatever language they speak. This
This is what the NY Times actually said about the prayer. " On the night Mr.
Romney will address the convention, a member of the Mormon Church will deliver
the invocation."The Mormon prayer theme is solely the
responsibility of the DNews.All the DNews had to say is that an LDS
individual will say one of the prayers at the convention. Pretty simple.
And I think the prayer should be given by Mitt Romney himself. Perhaps if they
see him offer a sincere prayer, Republicans might actually see that he is
sincere in his Christian beliefs.
Oh the horror!!! That's if folks, it's all over.
The fact that there is not much difference between a Mormon prayer and a prayer
from another Christian denomination is the point. People might expect it to be
different, but it's not. That's the point.
...and the Democratic convention will feature a Muslim prayer???
The only people who would recognize a mormon prayer would be...a mormon.
Everyone else would have no idea which christian denomination offered the
The well worn phrase "People don't care how much you know until they
know how much you care" should ring true in Mitt Romney's ears. His
likeability ratings should sky rocket as he embraces his religion openly. He is
not disliked because of his religion. The Republicans would be wise to let
Romney's views dominate the party platform. Do you think Norquest could get
What exactly is a "Mormon Prayer"? I have prayed with nearly every
Christian sect I have ever heard of, I can't say there was that much
difference from the prayers I hear at church on Sunday. So, if a baptist prays,
is it a "Baptist Prayer"? And more important, does it matter?