one old man,Poll the teachers? Just look at how many are on
welfare. NCLB hasn't worked.
Public Education is a states rights issue. The only role of the feds is to
insure that states respect the Constitution, treat students fairly, and keep
religious zealots from imposing their agenda on a captive audience. For
example we needed the federal government to intervene and end segregation and
racial discrimination. Education works best when parents are involved and their
is local control. I think NCLB is bad policy.
Highly educated countries don't have"1. half its people on
welfare2. high unemployment3. over half of its college graduates
in science, engineering, and chemistry from other countries.4. foreigners
design technology such as smart phones, computers, car engines, transmissions,
televisions, etc,5. half of their doctors, and engineers born in other
countries.And to think we hold the world record for educational
spending.How's no-child left behind, and standardized testing
It's worse than "Everyone is held back until the slowest kid in the
class catches up". A close friend, who is an elementary educator,
told me how this law requires everyone to be "held back" until the
slowest "poor kid", the slowest "latino kid", the slowest
"dyslexic kid", the slowest "female kid", the slowest
"native american kid", the "crippled kid", the slowest
"every other possible group we can divide you by kid", catches up. The school will be penalized when any of these "classes" scores lower
than the school average.How do they get this info to divide us ... the
forms you fill out the first day of school, and the free/reduced lunch
applications.GET THE FEDS OUTTA THE SCHOOLS ... local control can solve
education issues better than the feds. (I didn't say perfect, but better),
because this attempt - created by progressives in both parties - is a
The feds need to stay out of the schools. They bring mandates and a paltry sum
to pay for it. They dangle grants in front of schools (along with all the
overhead of writing and reporting them) then pull the money away after a few
years.Look at what it costs districts to comply with school lunch, Title
IX, special ed, bilingual ed and the flavor of the month (NCLB, Race to the
Top...)Meanwhile, the states and our property taxes are left to pay for it
all.They've got all the control in Washington with little skin in the
game.Someday we'll put the feds in their place. It can't come
soon enough for me.
@One old man: I don't know the answer, but I can tell you that every
single teacher I have asked, and I have asked many, absolutely hated the bill.
Education should be run at the most local level possible. The Feds have no
business in educating my children. Bush was wrong for this piece of legislation
and I vented my frustration then.Duckie: your hyperbole is noted and
it's also fair to note that YOU were the one who injected political party
into the discussion. Do people like you have the ability to comment without
adding political party to the discussion? I think not.
It would probably be a much more meaningful poll if teachers were questioned.How many of the people polled were teachers?
It should be called: "Everyone is held back until the slowest kid in the
class catches up". The law is dull, not inspiring. It is based on
1950's psychology and is anciently out-dated in terms of recent education
theory. It takes on-the-ground decision-making away from the experts (teachers
in the classroom) and creates measurements of learning that are laughable. It
turns an already overly bureaucratic organization and creates more bureaucracy.
NCLB should be replaced with a simple voucher system that allows
parents to choose which school to send their child (no other strings attached).
Parents and teachers working together will make K-12 education better, nothing
else. Let parents keep schools accountable, not irrelevant statistics.
Hellooo... lets not deflect too much on this... Bush via influence from his wife
also had this as one of his marques initiatives. "The
legislation was proposed by President George W. Bush on January 23, 2001. It was
coauthored by Representatives John Boehner (R-OH), George Miller (D-CA), and
Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Judd Gregg (R-NH). The United States House of
Representatives passed the bill on May 23, 2001"Yes, Senator
Kennedy credited with being a co-author... but this was a George W Bush bill.
I think you will recognize one of the other Republican authors on this... the
honorable senator from Ohio. Surely he would not be so bi-partisan in todays
environment. And 3 of the 5 names on this are Republican.Bottom
line- two parties came together to create something. It would be ever so nice
to see two parties come together to fix No Child Left Behind, and Obamacare.
Instead we will "repeal" or vote "no", or table bills based on
partisanship rather than fixing a problem. US Education needs
helpHealthcare needs help.Doing nothing doesn't
help anyone. Blaming the dead doesn't either.
I think the main problem with No Child Left Behind is that it is being
implemented on a national level. It does not take into account that different
regions have different circumstances. For example, here in Fresno, we have waves
of immigrants come in. So, many of the Fresno schools have to send home notices
in Spanish, Hmong and English. Guess which kids do the best on the standardized
tests.... Raising the standards without providing a way to reach them is always
a recipe for failure. In an ideal world, each child would have the
same opportunities for learning. But in the real world, some kids learn English
at school. It is unrealistic to expect them to be en par with their English
speaking counterparts by 2nd grade. This doesn't work and should be
Everyone got left behind with this law!
UltraBlueDevil: lets not be too partisan the sponsor of the legislation and
prime author was the Honorable Edward Kennedy. This had been along with
national health care a life long dream and goal of the Senator. Unfortunately,
it has not worked out well for Mr. Bush or the Senator. Afterall, children are
not things or parts of things, and setting quality control standards so that
they function like manufacturing plants is a poor, poor concept.
I think the percentage is probably higher than 17% of those polled who actually
didn't understand the law. I understand portions of it, but I would not be
confident in saying either way. I think a lot of people think they are smarter
than they really are.
I am sorry... but I probably missed the part where this piece credited this
policy to a particular administration and political party. I would have thought
the DN would have jumped on a policy that largely tried to federalize
educational policy by liberals..... what..... excuse me..... this wasn't
a liberal plan.... but a conservative plan. Oh, that is why the DN neglected to
name the creators of this plan. I actually don't say this to
pick on the Bush program... my spouse is an educator, and hated it. But it was
an attempt. And the only way you learn is by trying things. My main point is
that neither party has the complete answer, and it is through iterative policy
and low that we ultimately get to solutions. I hope we get the people in
Washington to play nice long enough to mold this policy or to change to
something that does work.I feel likewise about "obamacare".
I do think the current plan is flawed. And I think adults working together can
work to fix its short comings, and repeal and replace those parts that need
fixing. Adults though, not partisan hacks trying to score points.