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  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 24, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    @deductive reasoning

    Uteology

    "The 2004 Ute... deserved to play someone better than Pitt."

    It's laughable that you are so blinded by your BYU jealousy that you can't see that the exact same argument applied to BYU.

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    It's not the same argument, because unlike the 1984 BYU team the 2004 Ute team proved it on the filed that they deserved a better bowl opponent:

    A) Utah won by 14+ points in each game.

    B) BYU on the other hand struggled both at home and on the road during nearly half their schedule:

    @Pitt (3-7-1) 20-14
    @Hawaii (7-4) 18-13
    Wyoming (6-6) 41-38
    @AFA (8-4) 30-25
    @Utah (6-5-1) 24-14

    And at the end when both teams had the chance to prove that they deserved a better bowl team:

    A) Utah destroyed #18 Pitt (8-4) 35-7

    B) BYU failed to impress since they needed a miracle to beat a team starting a 2nd string QB: Michigan (6-6) 24-17

  • 4thand1sports slc, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 11:45 p.m.

    Pat Forde had always been very low on Utah.

    Interesting to see a previous doubter change his tune.

    Certainly, Utah is improved at every spot on offense apart from the line. With the annual success of the Utah defense, It's not unfair to think Utah can challenge for the Pac 12 Championship.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 6:09 p.m.

    Deduct

    What was the Y's "body of work"? Beating Utep? Wyoming at home by 3? Bowling Green? an unranked Mizzou? unranked and barely bowl eligible Michigan? Loss to Baylor? Those were the wins and losses in 83 and 84. Not very impressive.

    In 2004 Utah beat (2) ranked teams in Texas A&M and Pitt. The previous year they were 10-2. Very debatable and I would give the edge to utah based on margin of victory:)

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 22, 2012 10:57 p.m.

    hymn to the silent

    I don't know where you're getting your Nielsen ratings numbers from, but your numbers are sooooo inaccurate its laughable.

  • hymn to the silent Holladay, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 6:50 p.m.

    Since it is preseason, let's keep score on what really counts:

    Mentions on ESPN.com

    Utes: 238 pages of stories
    BYU: 179 pages of stories

    Eyeballs watching games last season

    Utah Nielsen ratings exceeded those of BYU by an average of 1/3 more eyeballs. And the USC/Utah game was nearly double the viewers of the Utah/BYU game.

    Average attendance per game for the year:
    BYU: 39,000
    Utah: 44,000

    Now that we have that behind us, let's enjoy the season, shall we?

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 22, 2012 5:29 p.m.

    Uteology

    "The 2004 Ute... deserved to play someone better than Pitt."

    It's laughable that you are so blinded by your BYU jealousy that you can't see that the exact same argument applied to BYU, but unlike the Utes in 2004, BYU 1984 had earned that right based on the body of work the Cougars had accomplished over several years. Unlike Utah, BYU wasn't just a flash in the pan that had never accomplished anything on a national scale.

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    utahcountyute

    "the 2004 Utes simply stomped everyone they played"

    It's laughable how Utah fans point to margin of victory over weak teams and completely ignore SOS when it suits them.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 4:26 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Please do tell us what BYU did in 1984 to convince the AP voters they deserved to be #1?"

    The obvious answer:

    Exactly what they did!

    Finishing 1984 on a 24-game winning streak with a season-ending win over a storied Michigan program that earlier in the season was also a national championship contender.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    @moronute

    Fans are just fans, we don't claim to be anything other than that. It is bitter utah "fans" like yourself that want to make that claim to try and use it as a reason to denigrate BYU fans. Lame.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    @deductive reasoning

    The 2004 Ute did not deserve a nation title shot, Auburn and USC did. We deserved to play someone better than Pitt. But the 2008 Utah team did.

    @mussingaround: Utah wasn't #1 in 2004 or 2008, because the Utes didn't do enough to convince the AP voters that the Utes deserved to be #1 - it's as simple as that.

    Please do tell us what BYU did in 1984 to convince the AP voters they deserved to be #1?

    Or could it be... that they just got lucky that other teams in the top 5 continued to lose?

    Did you even read the article highlights? Let me try posting what the article said:

    "If schedule strength had mattered as much [in 1984], [BYU] wouldn't have been [a national champion]"

    It seems today no one is impressed with your 1984 team from the "modern era" that "hijacked college football". Thanks to BYU legit teams like 2010 TCU and 2008 Utah never got a shot at the national title.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    NightFowl

    "I don't need to prove you wrong again. You just did it yourself in your very own post! You inserted the word "free." I did not say anything such. It's just another example of how you and your kind like to stretch the truth again.

    I will ask this one more time of you, Duckhunter and others. Stop misleading people when you say that ESPN is in millions and millions blah blah blah homes. And everyone can see BYU football! When in reality it costs money and not everyone has access to it."

    Big whoop, excuse me, you either pay to have ESPN included in a package or you don't get it.

    So let me correct myself to satisfy your extreme desire to 'win' a moot point.

    There's not a person on this planet that thinks ESPN is 'free'. Everyone realizes that it is a service that 'you pay a little extra' to have.

    Everyone but you realizes that ESPN is pretty common on most packages and that would equate to millions of subscribers that could choose to watch BYU games and of course where there's ESPN, typically BYUtv is there as well.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    deductive and Rockwell

    As Rockwell stated, the 2004 Utes simply stomped everyone they played by at least 2 tds, including Texas A&M (41-21) who went on to lose to Tennessee in the Cotton Bowl.

    byU faithful would have you believe that they beat a #3 Pitt team but we all know that was propaganda because that team ended up 3-7. The Utes actually did beat a Pitt team that was bowl eligible.

    Edge Utah

  • MormonUte Centerville, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 2:16 p.m.

    @Duckhunter:

    You keep proving my point. Particularly you personally. Supposedly, BYU sports are a missionary tool. The BYU "fans" on this board claim moral superiority. You guys are special, or so we have been told. I singled out the BYU fans because of your claim to being something different. You're just like everybody else. Penn State claimed moral and athletic superiority as well. Look at them now. They have all the accomplishments in football that you do. So what. BYU is supposed to represent the Church. Many people there do. Bronco Mendenhall does. The "fans" on this board, who claim to be different show nothing but pride, arrogance, and a hatred for all things Utah. I am well aware that Utah fans can be awful as well, but explain to me how BYU sports, the way you portray it on this board is at all consistent with the mission of the Church. Go back and read President Uchtdorf's talk. I have read your posts on a lot of articles. I have never seen you give ant credit to anything Utah related. I don't hate BYU, but I certainly don't think that BYU sports are "special".

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    @moronute

    "1. The BYU fans on this board do not take seriously President Uchtdorf's address of just a few years ago, "Pride and the Priesthood". If anyone wanted to try to prove that Mormons are not Christians, these message boards would be Exhibit A."

    Yea that's it, it's the BYU fans.

    LOL!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2012 9:07 a.m.

    Uteology

    What makes Stewart Mandel's opinion any more valid than the majority of AP sportswriters who voted for BYU as the 1984 National Champion?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 22, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    deductive reasoning

    It's unfair to force the kids to be objective - you and I both know your question will illicit lots of biased spin about how the Utes pounded their weak opponents, but in the end, our jealous little friends on the hill won't be able to produce one single quality win that proves that Utah 2004 even deserved to be invited to a bcs bowl.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 22, 2012 6:43 a.m.

    Uteology

    I noticed that you carefully avoided including Utah 2004 in your detailed analysis. So I'll ask you and all of your jealous Utah friends a question, the answer to which will reveal just how biased and inconsistent Utah fans really are.

    Who did Utah 2004 beat that made the Utes deserving of even playing in a bcs game, let alone, being deserving of playing for a national championship?

    *crickets*

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 21, 2012 11:22 p.m.

    It's laughable that our jealous friends on the hill put so much in stock into "ranked" opponents, but then completely ignore the fact that the very same pollsters who ranked those opponents,

    also ranked BYU.

    After all of the jealous whining, one fact remains:

    BYU's record and opponents were more heavily scrutinzed than any other team in college football history, for over a month, but when all was said and done, the majority of pollsters from EVERY major selecting organization, selected BYU as the National Champions. Why? Because BYU was more deserving of being the 1984 National Champions than any other team in the country.

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    Uteology

    Bosco NEVER said that BYU didn't deserve to be #1; his implication was that today the deck is been stacked against an "outsider" repeating what BYU did in 1984.

    Utah wasn't #1 in 2004 or 2008, because the Utes didn't do enough to convince the AP voters that the Utes deserved to be #1 - it's as simple as that.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    Stewart Mandel (SI):

    Story Highlights

    The 1984 BYU Cougars were voted national champions after finishing 13-0
    If schedule strength had mattered as much then, they wouldn't have been
    Under current BCS, it's very difficult for a mid-major to repeat the feat

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    Twenty-five years ago this fall, BYU hijacked college football. The sport has been fighting back ever since....

    In a highly controversial decision the AP and coaches voted the 13-0 Cougars national champions.

    Twenty-five years later, BYU remains the last school from outside of today's major conferences to win a national title. Today, coaches and players from that triumphant '84 BYU team wonder whether it will ever happen again.

    "With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1," said BYU quarterback Robbie Bosco.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 21, 2012 9:10 p.m.

    phoenix
    Gilbert, AZ
    MormonUte

    You can whine about the polls being subject all you want, but where's it written that simply being undefeated makes you a national championship contender? There have literally been dozens of teams throughout the years that have had undefeated seasons and never even sniffed a national championship. What makes Utah any better than Tulane 1998 or Marshall 1999 or Boise State 2006 and 2009?

    It's funny how the same Utah fans who whine about BYU 1984, have such blinders when it comes to seeing how pathetic Utah's 6-1 1944 NCAA "championship" team was.

    ____________________

    What makes BYU in 84' better than Tulane or Marshall? Nothing! They also had weak schedules those years.
    Get real people. Any team in the top 10 in 84' would have beat BYU plain and simple.
    BYUs win over Michigan was the least watched national title game of all time! They did not play a single ranked opponent that year.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2012 8:43 p.m.

    @phoenix: There have literally been dozens of teams throughout the years that have had undefeated seasons and never even sniffed a national championship. What makes Utah any better than Tulane 1998 or Marshall 1999 or Boise State 2006 and 2009?

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    It's really simple, just look at who did they beat:

    Tulane 1998: BYU (9-5), SM (7-5), Louisville (7-5)
    Marshall 1999: BYU (8-4), Miami OH (7-4), WM (7-5)
    Boise 2006: #11 OU (11-3), #21 OSU (10-4), Hawaii (11-3)
    Boise 2009: #6 TCU (12-1), #11 Oregon (10-3), Nevada (8-5)

    Utah 2008: #6 Alabama (12-2), #7 TCU (11-2), #18 OSU (9-4), #25 BYU (10-3)

    Conclusion:
    2008 Utah = 16 AP 1st place votes = highest ranked non-BCS team

    That fact that BYU's 1984 season is on par with Tulane and Marshall it's no wonder that BYU team would not have even received a BCS berth let alone a #1 ranking.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 21, 2012 8:31 p.m.

    sammyg said:

    "There's not one shred of truth nor proof that any BYU fan nor myself said ESPN was free. What a moronic, baseless and false statement.

    Please prove me wrong. Your futile attempt to find one statement supporting your claim and your subsequent absence of posting it will be proof enough that you were wrong and making stuff up.

    Words cannot express how silly this really is but alas, you are a Ute fan trying to defend something that just didn't quite go right and you know little about....."

    I don't need to prove you wrong again. You just did it yourself in your very own post! You inserted the word "free." I did not say anything such. It's just another example of how you and your kind like to stretch the truth again.

    I will ask this one more time of you, Duckhunter and others. Stop misleading people when you say that ESPN is in millions and millions blah blah blah homes. And everyone can see BYU football! When in reality it costs money and not everyone has access to it.

    Cheers!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2012 8:21 p.m.

    @phoenix

    The Utes in 2004 and 2008 didn't even come close to accomplishing what BYU did in 1984 because the Utes didn't finish #1.

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    On the other hand, on the field BYU has NEVER in it's history accomplished what Utah did in the 2008 season:

    Beat 4 final ranked teams: #6, #7, #18, and #25.

    Congrats on backing into a national title, you really can't claim you earned it on the field.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 8:20 p.m.

    pheonix

    "The Utes in 2004 and 2008 didn't even come close to accomplishing what BYU did in 1984 because the Utes didn't finish #1."

    You ARE absolutely correct, BYU didn't beat a single ranked opponent in 1984. Where as Utah beat 3 ranked teams in 08. SO, we did not even come close to such a mediocre schedule in 04 and 08 as the Y did in 1984. So I do agree with you. Also, what you're saying is, a final ranking of #2 from 2008 isn't even close to #1? WOW! 2 and 1 are so far apart it blows my mind.

    Beating a 6-5 Michigan team by 7 vs beating a 12-1 Alabama team by 14. I don't what is better. Keep your weak "National Championship" trophy that happened nearly thirty years ago with four inches of dust on it. Sammy, duckboy and U, keep obsessing about the Utes. I truly do enjoy it!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 7:48 p.m.

    "Elite Eight run" As in singular. hehe "byU OWNS Utah in Basketball - 128 to 125" OWNS? Hahahahaha!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 21, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    MormonUte

    "You want to talk about the past a lot in football, but basketball prior to Dave Rose is never mentioned."

    Lots of selective memory there.

    BYU fans are more than willing to talk about their 1951 and 1966 NIT championships, Kresimir Cosic, Danny Ainge, BYU's Elite Eight run, BYU's TWO John Wooden Award Winners, and, the fact that BYU OWNS Utah in basketball - 128 to 125.

    The Utes in 2004 and 2008 didn't even come close to accomplishing what BYU did in 1984 because the Utes didn't finish #1.

    You can whine about the polls being subject all you want, but where's it written that simply being undefeated makes you a national championship contender? There have literally been dozens of teams throughout the years that have had undefeated seasons and never even sniffed a national championship. What makes Utah any better than Tulane 1998 or Marshall 1999 or Boise State 2006 and 2009?

    It's funny how the same Utah fans who whine about BYU 1984, have such blinders when it comes to seeing how pathetic Utah's 6-1 1944 NCAA "championship" team was.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 5:16 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    "Sammyg like many other BYU fans never point out the following;
    That in most every part of the country people have to pay extra just to watch ESPN. Its only available to those that pay for it. So please be honest and stop with the national coverage mantra and worldwide following."

    There's not one shred of truth nor proof that any BYU fan nor myself said ESPN was free. What a moronic, baseless and false statement.

    Please prove me wrong. Your futile attempt to find one statement supporting your claim and your subsequent absence of posting it will be proof enough that you were wrong and making stuff up.

    Words cannot express how silly this really is but alas, you are a Ute fan trying to defend something that just didn't quite go right and you know little about.

    My guess is that you do not have Comcast either. I'm so sorry.

  • MormonUte Centerville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    A few observations:

    1. The BYU fans on this board do not take seriously President Uchtdorf's address of just a few years ago, "Pride and the Priesthood". If anyone wanted to try to prove that Mormons are not Christians, these message boards would be Exhibit A.
    2. BYU did win The National Championship in 1984, but the 2004 and 2008 Utes accomplished everything they did ON THE FIELD that the 1984 Cougars did. Polls are subjective, and the system made it impossible for either of those Ute teams to win a National Championship.
    3. Many of you are quite proud of all of your national awards, as you should be. Penn State has won all of those, too. I doubt that means much now.
    4. Although I am married to a BYU graduate, and my best friend from the mission field went to BYU, I have a hard time rooting for them because then we all have to be subject to comments from "fans" like Duckhunter.
    5. BYU fans or as bad or worse than Utah fans with selective memory. You want to talk about the past a lot in football, but basketball prior to Dave Rose is never mentioned.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    Rockwell

    Isn't there an * by it though and small print that says:

    "byU was voted champions after an exhaustive search concluded that no one really deserved it and so it was give to the school with the best band" :)

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2012 3:32 p.m.

    @ phoenix

    "Sorry my jealous misguided friend, but NOTHING tops a National Championship!

    #1 > #2/#4/#5

    and ALWAYS will be"

    Sorry my little blue friend, but NOTHING tops a head to head contest to determine who is the better program against the other.

    55 > 34

    and ALWAYS will be!

    Edge: Utah

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 21, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    "Football National Championships are not recognized by the NCAA."

    BYU's 1984 National Championship is listed on the OFFICIAL NCAA website. That's as close to being recognized by the NCAA as any major college football national championship.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    Rockwell made this up: "and recognized by the NCAA". Football National Championships are not recognized by the NCAA.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 21, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    Sammyg I stand by my statement.
    For you to suggest otherwise just proves what we already know. BYU fans like yourself like to continue the legacy of stretching the truth to make yourselves feel better.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 21, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "he only people who dispute Utah's worthiness playing in the 2009 Sugar Bowl do so in the manner of suggesting Utah should have played in the Nat'l Championship game instead"

    Personal OPINIONS of a few jealous fans and media, are meaningless. The results are what they are.

    BYU was the CONSENSUS National Champion in 1984 - selected national champions by ALL FIVE major national selecting organizations and recognized by the NCAA.

    Utah wasn't even close to being included in the BCS championship game in 2004 or 2008, never finishing higher than 6th in the BCS rankings.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 21, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    Sorry my jealous misguided friend, but NOTHING tops a National Championship!

    #1 > #2/#4/#5

    and ALWAYS will be

    Edge: BYU

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    Well, well, well, pocyUte and Motorbike...

    It's Jon WILNER who has finally posted something this morning at 8:01 am MT (7:01 am PT), after the fact from when I posted.

    Nevertheless congratulations, and I never said it wasn't going to happen but as the story goes it might happen today, this week, next month, etc.

    NightFowl

    Excuse me, what has your feathers ruffled this morning? You're obviously making things up.

    I've never mentioned anything was free EXCEPT for BYUtv over the air along the Wasatch Front. However ESPN and BYUtv seem to be on most commonly subscribed to packages. I stated all of this last year. Nothing is free on cable or satellite tv, everybody pays. I've always stated that and for you to suggest anything different is false.

    And the story remains, Cox Cable has snubbed the PAC 12 Network, little to no coverage outside the PAC 12 footprint and in the footprint little to none national PAC12 Network.

    Go read the Wilner articles for yourself.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    Sammy

    Just as PocyUte said, the source is John Milner of the San Jose Mercury news.

    The deal isn't official yet, but if you look at Milner's track record on these things ... it's done.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 21, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    Sammyg like many other BYU fans never point out the following;
    That in most every part of the country people have to pay extra just to watch ESPN. Its only available to those that pay for it. So please be honest and stop with the national coverage mantra and worldwide following.

    Yet you want to carry on with the coverage area of the Pac 12 network.

    It's not free to watch BYU football, available or affordable to everyone for that matter.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Aug. 21, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    Sammy

    The source is John Milner of the San Jose Mercury news. Apparently the deal is imminent, though not finalized yet.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 7:46 a.m.

    Motorbike

    How convenient to not state your source, not surprised.

    pocyUte, a DirectTV subscriber in Idaho, is not going to appreciate you starting these kinds of rumors.

    Now we both know this situation might very well change, and I will be happy for the Ute fan that wants to watch his team, but up to this point in time the PAC 12 Network is not available to satellite owners and some cable tv subscribers.

    It was over-hyped as we knew it would be.

    The begging and pleading continues at DirectTV's Facebook page.

    and the drama continues...

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    Aug. 21, 2012 6:48 a.m.

    Utes will upset and give USC its only loss of the
    season.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 11:14 p.m.

    @sammyg

    "Any updates on the PAC 12 Network? Any satellite yet??"
    _________

    As a matter of fact yes, reports are saying DirecTV is a done deal. So go ahead and hang on to the fact that Dish isn't done, but this will put the Pac 12 in a better 1st year network situation than the MTN by far and easily out distances what the B1G rolled out with in season 1.

    Enjoy your Little House on the Prairie.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 20, 2012 11:08 p.m.

    DeepBlue:

    "Sorry to disappoint you, but the very definition of 'modern era' that you so desperately cling to is nothing but a failed experiment that died of natural causes."

    Sorry to disappoint YOU, but the BCS-era has NOT died. The BCS era continues on for both this year AND next. So UNTIL 2014, the BCS-era IS the "modern era" of college football. And in the "modern era"....Utah > the Indy-WACers.

    "BYU's National Championship...will be remembered in college football history long after the bcs is forgotten."

    Nope. The ONLY people outside of cougarnation who currently remember the "Band of Postseason Losers" have an NC are those who recall that the Y didn't deserve it. It's true. That's nothing to brag about. On the other hand, the only people who dispute the worthiness of the 2005 Fiesta Bowl are those who think Pittsburgh (not Utah) didn't belong there. And, the only people who dispute Utah's worthiness playing in the 2009 Sugar Bowl do so in the manner of suggesting Utah should have played in the Nat'l Championship game instead.

    Edge: Utah.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 20, 2012 10:25 p.m.

    Gotta love the distorted view of history that Utah fans have to play in order to try to make themselves feel relevant.

    Nothing before 2004 counts in football, because the Utes did absolutely nothing before then.

    Nothing after 2005 counts in basketball, because the Utes have done absolutely nothing since then.

    Sorry to disappoint you, but the very definition of "modern era" that you so desperately cling to is nothing but a failed experiment that died of natural causes.

    BYU's National Championship and Heisman Trophy winners will be remembered in college football history long after the bcs is forgotten.

    The feeble rebuttals from our friends on the hill are laughable.

    The AP poll, the oldest national poll, was started in 1936. It took the Utes almost SIXTY YEARS, until 1994, before the Utes cracked the AP poll for the first time. No wonder they want to pretend that football history began with the failed bcs.

    It's laughable how Utah dropped off the map as soon as they joined their first real conference.

    Pre-WAC, the Utes won 20 conference championships.
    Since 1962, the Utes have won 6 conference championships.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 20, 2012 9:14 p.m.

    SoonerUte, Two For Flinching, and Elmer Fudd:

    Even though the "modern era" of college football started with the advent of the BCS system in 1998, the Indy-WACers get confused and think that it started back in 1965 when we were in the WAC, because they're STILL playing WAC football.

    ** Nevermind that WAC Football started in 1962, since our little brother lost those 1st 3 meetings. And nevermind either that plastic polymer helmets were being manufactured by the late 1930s, and that by 1950, nobody wore the leather helmets anymore. And furthermore, nevermind that if we go back to 1950 -- i.e. the plastic-polymer helmet era -- the Utes lead the overall series 31-30. Because cougar fans hate facts; preferring instead to re-write history, and make up their own.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2012 7:35 p.m.

    @ skywalker

    You just proved my point! You completely ignored the rivalry series and brought up past accomplishments and championships to justify BYU's losing end of the rivalry.

    According to BYU fans like skywalker. Football began in 1965 and anything that happened before that (leather helmet era) doesn't count because it makes BYU look bad. So by skywalker's logic: All of Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Army's National Championships, Conference Championships, and Heisman Trophies don't count because it was played during the "leather helmet era". Gotta love the BYU spin!

    Oh and for the record Utah has won more conference championships than BYU (24-23).

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 7:10 p.m.

    @ Royalblue

    The 1980's is NOT the modern era. The MNCG system and the game has changed dramatically since then.

    LOL @ you for counting ranked finishes and awards in the 70's as "modern era" accomplishments for BYU.

    A better marker for the modern era of college football would be 1998; when the BCS was adopted.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 6:58 p.m.

    Jenny

    A happy 17-14 to you too.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 6:53 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    I'm so glad you think a silly Yahoo preseason poll means something, after all you are the #1 quintessential Ute fan!

    Congratulations on your #25 preseason ranking and having Comcast. Yippee.

    P.S. You might consider recording the games and burning them to DVD for the Idaho contingency of the Teen Girlse Squad Ute Boosters!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 6:51 p.m.

    royalblue was confused when he started bragging about "1 national championship" and some other stuff.

    The modern era of football began in 1998 with the formation of the BCS. Your list includes a lot of old-timey football accomplishments. What have they done in the modern era?
    (insert much much shorter list here)

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 20, 2012 6:33 p.m.

    Jenny83

    Utah lost

    to USC by 9
    to Wash by 17
    to ASU by 21
    to Cal by 24
    to Col by 3 (one of the worst teams in the country)

    BYU lost

    to Texas by 1
    to Utah by 44
    to TCU by 10

    BYU's loss to Utah was clearly an anomoly.

    Utah's losses exposed the Utes for who they really were, a mediocre team that had a perfect storm game in mid-September, but could have easily lost 6 of their final 10 games.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 20, 2012 6:20 p.m.

    History Lesson Continued with the MWC/PAC/Ind era

    1999 - BYU/Utah MWC champions
    2001 - BYU #25/#24 MWC champions
    2003 - Utah #21/#21 MWC champions
    2004 - Utah #4/#5 MWC champions; Fiesta Bowl champions
    2006 - BYU #16/#15 MWC champions
    2007 - BYU #14/#15 MWC champions
    2008 - BYU #25/#21; Utah #2/#4 MWC champions; Sugar Bowl champions
    2009 - BYU #12/#12; Utah #18/#18
    2010 - Utah ur/#23
    2011 - BYU ur/#25

    Last 50 Years
    BYU 29-21 versus Utah

    Utah has 2004 and 2008, a virtually nothing else in their entire history; the Utes couldn't even win a conference championship with a Top 10 finish in 1994.

    BYU has a plethora of national achievements, including the creme-de-la-creme of major college football achievements - a National Championship and a Heisman Trophy winner.

    Ten years from now, the bcs will be meaningless and Utah's bcs-busting teams will be lumped in with all of the other Fiesta and Sugar Bowl winners, no more nor less important that BYU's Cotton Bowl winners.

    Do you really think ANYBODY besides attention-starved Utah fans cares that BYU SHUT OUT Utah's undefeated 1928 team?

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 20, 2012 6:01 p.m.

    Elmer Fudd

    "I never said anything about national awards of any kind. That is just a typical byU spin they use to ignore the fact they're on the losing end of the rivalry series. I said, "WE OWN U" as in head to head. The overall record shows that!"

    Frankly, BYU fans couldn't care less about your leather helmet era domination.

    Here's a little history lesson since Utah became relevant by finishing in the Top 25 for the first time in 1964.

    Utah - 1965 to 1992 - zero, nada, zilch - no bowl games, no championships, no Top 25 finishes
    BYU
    1965 - WAC champions
    1974 - WAC champions, first bowl - Fiesta Bowl
    1976 - WAC champions
    1977 - WAC champions, #20/#16
    1978 - WAC champions
    1979 - WAC champions, #13/#12
    1980 - WAC champions, #12/#12
    1981 - WAC champions, #13/#11
    1982 - WAC champions
    1983 - WAC champions, #7/#7
    1984 - WAC champions, #1/#1, National Champions
    1985 - WAC champions, #16/#17
    1989 - WAC champions, #22/#18
    1990 - WAC champions, #22/#17, Heisman Trophy winner
    1991 - WAC champions, #23/#23
    1992 - WAC champions
    1993 - WAC champions
    1994 - BYU #18/#10, Utah #10/#8
    1995 - WAC champions
    1996 - WAC champions, #5/#5, Cotton Bowl Champions

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 20, 2012 5:38 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    BYU fans don't hyperventilate about meaningless pre-season Top 25 polls, because, unlike attention-starved Utah fans, BYU fans are used to finishing in the only meaningful polls, the Final Top 25 polls.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 5:29 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    "Kinda like the complete silence you get from Cougar fans when you ask them to name one significant accomplishment in the MODERN era of football?"

    You seriously went there?

    National Awards during the Modern Era

    BYU
    1 National Championship
    1 Heisman Trophy
    4 Davey O'Brien Awards (awarded to nation's best quarterback)
    7 Sammy Baugh Trophies (awarded to nation's best passer)
    2 Outland Trophies (awarded to nation's best interior lineman)
    1 Doak Walker Award (awarded to nation's best running back)
    6 National College Football Hall of Fame inductees
    18 Top 25 Finishes (5 in the last 6 years)

    Utah
    call us when U win your first national award
    7 Top 25 Finishes (only 3 in the last 6 years)

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 5:27 p.m.

    Mussing around and Snack Pac ---- The Utes lost by 3 points to Colorado BUT BYU lost by 44 to the UTES....Boy that sure make you guys look lousy!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    @utahcountyute

    I'm glad you're "all set". To bad the same thing can't be said for the majority of utah "fans" in this state. Kinda sad but funny all at the same time.

    LOL!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 5:09 p.m.

    Sammy

    But I thought being in the top 25 was all that and box a chocolates? So, being out of the top 25 is now "flying under the radar"? interesting

    btw...I'm all set in HD with the PAC 12 network, but thanks for the concern.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2012 5:01 p.m.

    @ Rockwell

    "U own NOTHING, not even a single national award of any kind".

    I never said anything about national awards of any kind. That is just a typical byU spin they use to ignore the fact they're on the losing end of the rivalry series. I said, "WE OWN U" as in head to head. The overall record shows that!

    "It could take U centuries just to achieve what BYU has already accomplished".

    It could take byU centuries just to even the record in the rivalry series. Call us when byU can actually beat the U.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 4:40 p.m.

    phoenix moaned "Utah fans beat their chests about how "great" the Utes were during the first half of the 20th-century, but ask them to name even ONE significant accomplishment on a national scale during that era, and you'll get complete silence."

    Kinda like the complete silence you get from Cougar fans when you ask them to name one significant accomplishment in the MODERN era of football? 47 teams have been to BCS bowl games. That is almost half of the D-1 schools. Maybe its true that BYU football didn't exist before Lavell Edwards, and hasn't existed since he left.

    I like how you phrased that -- "BYU hasn't taken football seriously for 3 decades".

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    Remind us what kind of impact U had in the PAC last season.

    8th in football with a losing 4-5 conference and not a single win over a PAC team with a winning record
    11th in basketball basketball with only 3 conference wins
    last or next to last in every other men's sport

    face it

    the BcS is all but dead and your "legacy" with it; the only thing U have to look forward to is being cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference - a poor man's version of Arizona - 30 years in the conference and still looking its first Rose Bowl.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 4:05 p.m.

    Uh, did I miss something?

    What's so great about being #25 when you have to go thru #2 USC to get any Pac love?

    The only surprise is that the Colorado game was conveniently ignored and someone thinks the Utes tied for 6th, 7th, or 8th place last year rate a #25.

    And before anyone mentions that BYU is not ranked... I'm very happy they are flying under the radar.

    Any updates on the PAC 12 Network? Any satellite yet???

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    Rockwell and Phx

    And yet in the last 10 years with (2) undefeated seasons, (2) BCS bowl victories, National coach of the year and BCS affiliation, go ahead and figure who has had a larger impact on the "national scale". I will give you a hint, it's not byU.

    The cougs should just stick to flag football and slip & slides because they are going to get hurt this year.

    Go Utes!

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    The jealousy is oozing. Once post season awards start coming out, you know some fans are salivating with jealousy. The only hardware we Utes have to show is those two small trophies for going undefeated and beating up on ranked teams and a small Pacific 12 logo to place on our jersey, car, football field. That little thing called "opportunity" is very insignificant. Of course those things mean nothing unless you don't have them.

    The fact that BYU fans commented at all shows jealousy. Enjoy the 500k payout at the December 20 Poinsettia Bowl against a MWC member or Army. Why try? Nothing but pride to play for.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 20, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    Elmer

    It's funny how Utah fans beat their chests about how "great" the Utes were during the first half of the 20th-century, but ask them to name even ONE significant accomplishment on a national scale during that era, and you'll get complete silence.

    Face it. Utah's "big" accomplishment during that era was a mediocre team beating up on a bunch of even more mediocre teams in conferences that 99.9% of college football fans have never even heard of. Football at BYU was little more than a club sport during that era, as proven by the fact that 30 of the first 40 games in the series were played at Utah, because BYU didn't even have a football stadium for most of that era.

    As soon as BYU started taking football seriously, the Cougars became the dominant team and Utah disappeared for most of the next three decades.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 20, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    Elmer Fudd

    U own NOTHING, not even a single national award of any kind.

    Call us when you've won a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, a Doak Walker Award, a Davey O'Brien Trophy, an Outland Trophy, a Sammy Baugh Award, and have at least half-a-dozen players in the National College Football Hall of Fame.

    In over a hundred years of college football, Utah hasn't managed to win a single national award.

    It could take U centuries just to achieve what BYU has already accomplished.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 20, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    The Utes could be the "Pac-12 surprise team," but will Utah fans enjoy the "surprise"?

    The arrogance of a program that thinks it can get away with starting a true freshman quarterback lead by a new offensive coordinator with almost no coaching experience is laughable. At least the Utes will have plenty of obvious excuses to whine about when their "bold experiment" blows up in their face.

    Looking forward to the "surprise".

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    Aug 13 - Utah opened the final week of preseason camp with a double day and intensifying competitions at several positions -- including quarterback, where Jordan Wynn is trying to fend off challenges from Jon Hays and Travis Wilson.

    Aug 17 - Make no mistake about it, Jordan Wynn is still king of the hill in Utah's quarterback hierarchy -- even with a sore arm.
    Aug 18 - At quarterback, Wynn is entrenched as the starter despite not throwing the ball since Wednesday for precautionary reasons because of arm soreness.

    Aug 19 - Utah quarterback Travis Wilson said his first preseason camp with the Utes went well. The true freshman wound up getting a lot of reps and closed the gap on returning veterans Jordan Wynn and Jon Hays.

    Aug 20 - the saga continues as Utah preps for their final scrimmage -- against Northern Colorado.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2012 2:08 p.m.

    @ Snack WAC

    "Nice try, but BYU has beaten the Utes 29 of the last 50 meetings and has beaten the Utes in 3 of the last 6 meetings".

    Nice try, but Utah has beaten BYU 55 of the last 89 meetings. Haha! Oh and Utah leads the series against BYU 55-34-4 and it's not even close. Haha! WE OWN U!!!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2012 1:02 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    National writers don't carry around meaningless one-game meltdowns. They focus on things that matter like improvement throughout the season, overall record, and not losing to bad teams, which is why BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team for the past 35 years, and the Utes rarely crack the Top 25.

    With a brand new Offensive Coordinator and an unsettled mess at quarterback, the Utes aren't going to surprise anybody.

    ----------

    Jenny83

    Nice try, but BYU has beaten the Utes 29 of the last 50 meetings and has beaten the Utes in 3 of the last 6 meetings.

    Of course, you're welcome to continue believing that BYU "can't beat" the Utes if it helps you sleep at night.

    It's funny that the fan base that supposedly "left BYU behind" over two years ago, is still so totally obsessed with BYU that they can hardly focus on their new conference.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    "It's interesting that Forde completely ignored Utah's season-ending meltdown against Colorado".

    National writers don't carry around the bitterness of a 54-10 loss when assessing Utah football. National writers recognize that a loss to Colorado is meaningless this year. They focus on the things that matter, like improved recruiting, consistent coaching, and a year of PAC 12 experience. Forde is correct that the Utes could surprise.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    Mussingaround -- You're just sad because BYU can't beat the UTes..only 3 times in the last 10 years!!!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 20, 2012 11:35 a.m.

    25. Utah

    The Utes' introduction to the Pac-12 was brutal: They lost their first four league games and starting quarterback Jordan Wynn for the year to injury. But they rebounded to win four consecutive Pac-12 games and set a positive tone for 2012. With 1,500-yard rusher John White and stud defensive tackle Star Lotulelei, PLUS A HEALTHY Wynn, Utah is poised to be the league's surprise team.

    It's interesting that Forde completely ignored Utah's season-ending meltdown against Colorado, Utah barely getting past 4-8 WSU in OT, that Utah will be breaking in a brand new OC, or that Wynn is far from "healthy".

    C'est la vie

    As Utah fans know, pre-season polls are meaningless anyway.