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Published: Monday, Aug. 20 2012 11:22 a.m. MDT

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mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

25. Utah

The Utes' introduction to the Pac-12 was brutal: They lost their first four league games and starting quarterback Jordan Wynn for the year to injury. But they rebounded to win four consecutive Pac-12 games and set a positive tone for 2012. With 1,500-yard rusher John White and stud defensive tackle Star Lotulelei, PLUS A HEALTHY Wynn, Utah is poised to be the league's surprise team.

It's interesting that Forde completely ignored Utah's season-ending meltdown against Colorado, Utah barely getting past 4-8 WSU in OT, that Utah will be breaking in a brand new OC, or that Wynn is far from "healthy".

C'est la vie

As Utah fans know, pre-season polls are meaningless anyway.

Jenny83
OGDEN, UT

Mussingaround -- You're just sad because BYU can't beat the UTes..only 3 times in the last 10 years!!!

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

"It's interesting that Forde completely ignored Utah's season-ending meltdown against Colorado".

National writers don't carry around the bitterness of a 54-10 loss when assessing Utah football. National writers recognize that a loss to Colorado is meaningless this year. They focus on the things that matter, like improved recruiting, consistent coaching, and a year of PAC 12 experience. Forde is correct that the Utes could surprise.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

SoonerUte

National writers don't carry around meaningless one-game meltdowns. They focus on things that matter like improvement throughout the season, overall record, and not losing to bad teams, which is why BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team for the past 35 years, and the Utes rarely crack the Top 25.

With a brand new Offensive Coordinator and an unsettled mess at quarterback, the Utes aren't going to surprise anybody.

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Jenny83

Nice try, but BYU has beaten the Utes 29 of the last 50 meetings and has beaten the Utes in 3 of the last 6 meetings.

Of course, you're welcome to continue believing that BYU "can't beat" the Utes if it helps you sleep at night.

It's funny that the fan base that supposedly "left BYU behind" over two years ago, is still so totally obsessed with BYU that they can hardly focus on their new conference.

Elmer Fudd
Sandy, Utah

@ Snack WAC

"Nice try, but BYU has beaten the Utes 29 of the last 50 meetings and has beaten the Utes in 3 of the last 6 meetings".

Nice try, but Utah has beaten BYU 55 of the last 89 meetings. Haha! Oh and Utah leads the series against BYU 55-34-4 and it's not even close. Haha! WE OWN U!!!

SportsCenter
Olympus Cove, Utah

Aug 13 - Utah opened the final week of preseason camp with a double day and intensifying competitions at several positions -- including quarterback, where Jordan Wynn is trying to fend off challenges from Jon Hays and Travis Wilson.

Aug 17 - Make no mistake about it, Jordan Wynn is still king of the hill in Utah's quarterback hierarchy -- even with a sore arm.
Aug 18 - At quarterback, Wynn is entrenched as the starter despite not throwing the ball since Wednesday for precautionary reasons because of arm soreness.

Aug 19 - Utah quarterback Travis Wilson said his first preseason camp with the Utes went well. The true freshman wound up getting a lot of reps and closed the gap on returning veterans Jordan Wynn and Jon Hays.

Aug 20 - the saga continues as Utah preps for their final scrimmage -- against Northern Colorado.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

The Utes could be the "Pac-12 surprise team," but will Utah fans enjoy the "surprise"?

The arrogance of a program that thinks it can get away with starting a true freshman quarterback lead by a new offensive coordinator with almost no coaching experience is laughable. At least the Utes will have plenty of obvious excuses to whine about when their "bold experiment" blows up in their face.

Looking forward to the "surprise".

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Elmer Fudd

U own NOTHING, not even a single national award of any kind.

Call us when you've won a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, a Doak Walker Award, a Davey O'Brien Trophy, an Outland Trophy, a Sammy Baugh Award, and have at least half-a-dozen players in the National College Football Hall of Fame.

In over a hundred years of college football, Utah hasn't managed to win a single national award.

It could take U centuries just to achieve what BYU has already accomplished.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Elmer

It's funny how Utah fans beat their chests about how "great" the Utes were during the first half of the 20th-century, but ask them to name even ONE significant accomplishment on a national scale during that era, and you'll get complete silence.

Face it. Utah's "big" accomplishment during that era was a mediocre team beating up on a bunch of even more mediocre teams in conferences that 99.9% of college football fans have never even heard of. Football at BYU was little more than a club sport during that era, as proven by the fact that 30 of the first 40 games in the series were played at Utah, because BYU didn't even have a football stadium for most of that era.

As soon as BYU started taking football seriously, the Cougars became the dominant team and Utah disappeared for most of the next three decades.

PAC12Fan
South Jordan, UT

The jealousy is oozing. Once post season awards start coming out, you know some fans are salivating with jealousy. The only hardware we Utes have to show is those two small trophies for going undefeated and beating up on ranked teams and a small Pacific 12 logo to place on our jersey, car, football field. That little thing called "opportunity" is very insignificant. Of course those things mean nothing unless you don't have them.

The fact that BYU fans commented at all shows jealousy. Enjoy the 500k payout at the December 20 Poinsettia Bowl against a MWC member or Army. Why try? Nothing but pride to play for.

utahcountyute
Cedar Hills, UT

Rockwell and Phx

And yet in the last 10 years with (2) undefeated seasons, (2) BCS bowl victories, National coach of the year and BCS affiliation, go ahead and figure who has had a larger impact on the "national scale". I will give you a hint, it's not byU.

The cougs should just stick to flag football and slip & slides because they are going to get hurt this year.

Go Utes!

sammyg
Springville, UT

Uh, did I miss something?

What's so great about being #25 when you have to go thru #2 USC to get any Pac love?

The only surprise is that the Colorado game was conveniently ignored and someone thinks the Utes tied for 6th, 7th, or 8th place last year rate a #25.

And before anyone mentions that BYU is not ranked... I'm very happy they are flying under the radar.

Any updates on the PAC 12 Network? Any satellite yet???

Jealous U
Alpine, UT

utahcountyute

Remind us what kind of impact U had in the PAC last season.

8th in football with a losing 4-5 conference and not a single win over a PAC team with a winning record
11th in basketball basketball with only 3 conference wins
last or next to last in every other men's sport

face it

the BcS is all but dead and your "legacy" with it; the only thing U have to look forward to is being cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference - a poor man's version of Arizona - 30 years in the conference and still looking its first Rose Bowl.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

phoenix moaned "Utah fans beat their chests about how "great" the Utes were during the first half of the 20th-century, but ask them to name even ONE significant accomplishment on a national scale during that era, and you'll get complete silence."

Kinda like the complete silence you get from Cougar fans when you ask them to name one significant accomplishment in the MODERN era of football? 47 teams have been to BCS bowl games. That is almost half of the D-1 schools. Maybe its true that BYU football didn't exist before Lavell Edwards, and hasn't existed since he left.

I like how you phrased that -- "BYU hasn't taken football seriously for 3 decades".

Elmer Fudd
Sandy, Utah

@ Rockwell

"U own NOTHING, not even a single national award of any kind".

I never said anything about national awards of any kind. That is just a typical byU spin they use to ignore the fact they're on the losing end of the rivalry series. I said, "WE OWN U" as in head to head. The overall record shows that!

"It could take U centuries just to achieve what BYU has already accomplished".

It could take byU centuries just to even the record in the rivalry series. Call us when byU can actually beat the U.

utahcountyute
Cedar Hills, UT

Sammy

But I thought being in the top 25 was all that and box a chocolates? So, being out of the top 25 is now "flying under the radar"? interesting

btw...I'm all set in HD with the PAC 12 network, but thanks for the concern.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@utahcountyute

I'm glad you're "all set". To bad the same thing can't be said for the majority of utah "fans" in this state. Kinda sad but funny all at the same time.

LOL!

Jenny83
OGDEN, UT

Mussing around and Snack Pac ---- The Utes lost by 3 points to Colorado BUT BYU lost by 44 to the UTES....Boy that sure make you guys look lousy!

royalblue
Alpine, UT

SoonerUte

"Kinda like the complete silence you get from Cougar fans when you ask them to name one significant accomplishment in the MODERN era of football?"

You seriously went there?

National Awards during the Modern Era

BYU
1 National Championship
1 Heisman Trophy
4 Davey O'Brien Awards (awarded to nation's best quarterback)
7 Sammy Baugh Trophies (awarded to nation's best passer)
2 Outland Trophies (awarded to nation's best interior lineman)
1 Doak Walker Award (awarded to nation's best running back)
6 National College Football Hall of Fame inductees
18 Top 25 Finishes (5 in the last 6 years)

Utah
call us when U win your first national award
7 Top 25 Finishes (only 3 in the last 6 years)

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

utahcountyute

BYU fans don't hyperventilate about meaningless pre-season Top 25 polls, because, unlike attention-starved Utah fans, BYU fans are used to finishing in the only meaningful polls, the Final Top 25 polls.

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