Saying no in this situation didn't need to be said, he said he had a gun
with him, which as any person with a brain would understand it to mean that I
will use this gun right here if you don't do what I say. The argument that
she never said no is like the bank robber saying that the teller never I
couldn't have the money and all that I said was I have a gun and then they
gave me this big bag of cash and I walked out.
Re: Aspen1713 SALT LAKE CITY, UT"Gentlemen, if a woman does not seem
100% into what you're doing, asking if it's ok is a safe bet."I'm from the old school where we waited for intimacy until after we
were married ..... and after marriage decent husbands respect the feelings of
This was a preliminary hearing to determine if he would go to trial. The judge
determined there was enough and there are 25 charges against this man who wines
and dines with the big GOP people, at least in 2011. It appears as if he had
all the candidates and party leaders at his cabin back then as seen in photos
with his cabin in almost every picture and various candidates speaking to the
group. GOP Fundraiser, GOP activist and other titles are probably appropriate
in this case. When you see all the various Republicans at his event it is
amazing that his friends, men and women, didn't notice his behavior at
@coleman51What about the reporting do you question? The report
doesn't make any judgements one way or another. They report simply on the
facts they are able to gather. That is all the press has ever been meant to do.
We aren't being asked to judge Peterson based on this
information, we simply are doing so because we have opinions. His ultimate
guilt or innocence isn't going to be determined by the comments section on
I have only heard what the women have said about Peterson and not what his
defense would have to say. I question this type of reporting. We are asked to
judge this man through the press. We have a legal system that should be the
ultimate judge of these matters. We don't have all information on this case
and for sure, the press does not have either.
It doesn't say she never said "no" it says she can't recall
having specifically said "no". What she did say however was that she
didn't want to go in the first place because she had to teach primary,
which was shot down and followed up by an implicit threat of gun violence, and
it also says she was released until she had made repeated requests to be allowed
to go home. Whether she actually said the word no or not in this case seems
irrelevant and a poor defense. Its like Clinton asking for a definition of the
word "is". Its obvious that his intent was to intimidate her into
complying with what he wanted without any struggle and it worked and it also
seems preetty obvious that had she said "no" she would have been raped.
Cpt Kangaroo or whatever the defense lawyer's name is should be ashamed of
herself for using such an obvious loophole. So much for justice.
To all the people asking why she didn't say "no," I'd add to
Hot Fudge -- how about waiting for a "yes"? Just because someone
doesn't actually say "no" doesn't entitle you to have sex with
them. She told him she didn't want to go to Heber , he told her he had a
gun. She asked to go home, he decided to rape her again. What about that
exchange sounds like she ever said "yes"? ("Well, she never started
screaming, she must have wanted it." - said every weirdo ever.) She said at
one point he twisted her hair so hard she thought her neck was going to break.
Do you really have to be told to NOT do that? Gentlemen, if a woman
does not seem 100% into what you're doing, asking if it's ok is a safe
bet. Don't just rely on, "Well, she never said I COULDN'T do
whatever I wanted." Assume that unless someone is saying, "Yes,
let's do this!", they don't want to have sex.There's a lot of creeps out in force today.
It's creepy to use the "LDS temple recommend" ploy to get a date,
but he is not alone in trying this. When I was single, this happened frequently
and it annoyed me. I alway felt like the person bragging about having it was
trying to overide my judgement on character and give themselves dating
advantage. I was even told once by Bishop that I should not accept a date
unless he was willing to "show me his temple recommend". I'm not
defending Peterson at all, but his tactic was very in line with the LDS single
@azreader1 3:52 p.m. Aug. 15, 2012I asked the same question back
when the story first broke. It is a legitimate question. I don't recall
DesNews constantly referring to the man's profession who killed the little
girl in Jordan. The fact that it says GOP causes me to question the motivation
for using the reference. Couldn't he, based on his MO, be as easily
referred to as "proclaimed devout member of the LDS church?" I'm
LDS, but I don't find the GOP thing any less offensive than that would be.
This guy used the LDS angle much more than he did his connection to the GOP to
carry out his deeds, so why the constant "GOP Activist". The LDS church
had nothing to do with these crimes and neither did the GOP. I find it utterly
offensive. I would ask Desnews to use "alleged rapist" and leave it at
that...out of common decency.
Serenity, It stands to reason that someone with the lack of
conscience and morality to threaten, hit, and rape these young women would also
lack the conscience and morality to be truthful in a Temple Recommend interview.
"She said Peterson offered to show her his LDS temple recommend." That, right there, is just plain hilarious.
RE: Azreader1When someone who hosts fund raising events for Mike
Lee, Mitt Romney, and Jason Chaffetz rapes and sexually abuses several women, it
becomes a significant news item, and it would be pretty bad journalism NOT to
highlight his fairly prominent role as a GOP activist. Even if that means
Republicans don't like to see their party associated with an alleged
rapist. It's not that hard to understand.
I just want to respond to a couple of things. To those that are harping on the
word "no": She didn't even want to go with him and told him so.
When he told her of the gun his purpose was to override her "no." It
was a threat on her life, he kidnapped her. Anything he did following that was
contrary to her will. Then he kept that threat fresh in her mind to make her
comply. She didn't have to use the word "no" every time he made a
choice for her for him to know it was not her choice.Also, the
questioning described in the article about the likelihood of multiple rapes
bothered me a lot. I don't know how common it is, but being repeatedly
victimized does happen. Predators look for people who can be manipulated and
those that have not recovered from a previous attack are particularly
vulnerable. His wasn't a random attack, he put effort into targeting the
women he chose.
Obviously, the article doesn't contain her entire testimony, nor the entire
testimonies of the other 3 alleged victims. That said, apparently their
testimonies were enough to convince the judge to allow the case to continue to
move forward and to increase the bail to 2 million dollars. Must have been
Im a single 30 yr old woman who dates a lot in Utah. I agree with ogdenite. if
she didn't communicate it by saying no, what did she say and how was
Peterson supposed to know?and by asking this honest question, i am not
saying he's innocent, nor defending Peterson, but i would like to know.
its curiosity, and vital info to the case.
re. azreader1,I don't know why the DNews journalist(s) keep
referring to Peterson's connection to the GOP, but I find it quite amusing.
azreader1:It is likely that he used his GOP activist status to
impress women and lure them on dates and perhaps to the cabin which was used for
GOP functions. I'm sure that was part of his allure or whatever to these
women. It also sounds like Wasatch County may have been slow on the trigger to
investigate or prosecute him and it stands to reason his connections as a GOP
activist may have been a factor with this, certainly a matter worth further
investigation as well. That's why I think it is fair game to report his
connections there as well as reporting his church standing, which again he
seemed to use as ways to meet these women.
Re: Ogdenite Lincoln, UT"I never heard the woman in the article say
"no." How was the alleged rapist supposed to know how she was feeling if
she never communicated it?"A word of advice to women living in
Lincoln, Utah. When asked by Ogdenite to go on a date I'd recommend you
If he really had a temple recommend, I wonder who the bishop was who gave it to
him? I don't mean to be judgmental, but this is just way over the top.
Just because he paid his tithing and even made contributions to charitable
causes, doesn't make him a good person. How can such a pervert possess a
temple recommend? If he was issued a recommend where was the discernment a
bishop and a stake president are supposed to possess when they are defending the
temple against such people? Somehow, if he had a current recommend, makes
recommend holders a little suspect and it makes me wonder how many times the
temple has been desecrated by such a person's presence in the temple. I
sincerely hope that the temple recommend he said he had was long expired.
I'm really starting to wonder if the Wasatch County prosecutor or whoever
she reported this incident to is awake. If she reported this to
Wasatch County and nothing was done, someone needs to be fired and then sued.
If my daughter ever went through something like this and reported it only to be
ignored by the so called law enforcement, they would be getting a call from the
meanest attorney I could find.
I never heard the woman in the article say "no." How was the alleged
rapist supposed to know how she was feeling if she never communicated it? I
feel bad for defending this guy here, but the woman who testified didn't
exactly help herself out, in the courtroom or in the alleged rapist's
Assuming that the reported testimony is true, this guy needs to be removed from
society, It angers me to see how he used the LDS culture and LDS singles
organization to seek out these victims particularly those who he could dominate
and threaten. Presenting a recommend as proof of character is a particularly
alarming red flag. If anyone ever tries this tact, run, run away quickly!
This reminds me of Sandusky's trial...a person who thinks he's
completely innocent, who, in his own sick mind, has never done anything wrong,
but who's victims are so compelling and believable that no jury would ever
doubt the truth of what really took place.
Can someone explain to me why this apparent monster is consistently described as
a "GOP activist?" Is that his only station or employment in life, and
more importantly, does it have anything to do with the despicable acts he is
alleged to have committed?