2 other women also testify against GOP activist
Sex abuse cases present some real ethical dilemas. As the media compulsively
focusses on these types of cases, the accused is tried in the court of public
opinion, and sex abuse cases can become in a very real sense "a witch
hunt" even IF this guy is innocent, he will be punnished in the court of
public opinion for the rest of his life. I am a firm believer that
everyone deserves their day in court and that they have a right to a fair trial.
I am also a firm believer that if found guilty people such as this man need
severe consequences & treatment. I am a stronger believer in court ordered
reparations in situations such as this. However, while it occurs in the minority
of cases, there also needs to be legal consequences for false or contrived
allegations of sex crimes. The Duke Lacross team debacle
illustrates just how far these cases can get out of hand, and in the Duke
Lacross team case, one of the real criminals(the woman who claimed to be
sexually assaulted) was never charged. In the end I just hope that
Justice is served.
Maybe it's the lure of technology, but it seems that men can do the same
kind of things now, with the internet and texting, and all the gizmos, that they
used to be able to do without them. Of course, ladies, we can use the same
gizmos to defend ourselves, a lot more effectively than the dime in our shoe for
a phone call...on the other hand, not all men are snakes, either, like this
guy.What I can't figure out--and I don't know local
law--why did the police not at least talk to the women who were the only ones
other than the perpetrator with knowledge of the crime, take information and
other evidence, including quesions of medical personnel when they sought
treatment? No one goes to the hospital for such things without reason! Is that
not standard to follow through on that, would it not, over time, shown a
pattern, especially if these women didn't know one another? Just asking...
RE: Josh SteimleThanks for the lesson. But, you're wrong if you
think that it is only with government assistance that the powerful set their own
rules and do as they please. A more reasonable or intellectually honest human
being would concede that government both facilitates and restricts the actions
of "the powerful." Also, "government" comes in many forms. And
"government" tends to develop naturally in vacuums of authority or
force, be it via mafias, bullies, "markets," or whatever. Consider
utahboni: You misunderstand the libertarian power structure. Libertarianism is
founded on the non-aggression principle which absolutely forbids any act of
aggression other than in self-defense. In other words you can't be a
libertarian and approve of rape, kidnapping, or any forceful or coercive action.
Libertarianism does not let "the powerful set their own rules and do as they
please without restriction", it is the strongest restriction on such
behavior. It is only with government assistance that the powerful set their own
rules and do as they please.
utahboni: What you are missing is Greg Peterson isn't strong, wealthy or
powerful...only in his own mind, wherein lies the problem. His own personal
psychoses can hardly be used as a broad brush to smear the Republican party.Also, our current president must ascribe whole-heartedly to the
"Libertarian/oligarchial, Ayn-Randish power structure". I've never
in my lifetime witnessed a president who abuses his power in such a blatant
manner. What is most shocking is that he does it so openly and often and
believes we, the people, are too stupid to call him on it. At least Clinton
tried to be subtle.
This is a horrible crime and should caution others that just because someone
holds a temple recommend or goes to church it does not make them a great person.
This is why temples and the recommends required to entered are a little curious
to me. Only God knows the heart. We need to be wise and search everything out.
Gr9Dane: The irony that you miss is that this man's behavior epitomizes
the obvious conclusion of the Libertarian/oligarchial, Ayn-Randish power
structure. That is, the strong, wealthy and powerful would be able to do
anything to anyone anytime. Letting the powerful set their own rules and do as
they please without restriction will invariably attract every sociopath on the
planet to your party. The fact that this man successfully intimidated women by
stating that he was a powerful member of the GOP, should tell you that people
already viscerally fear what your party is morphing into.
It would appear Greg had not been properly vetted.
Women need to be taught that you can't beleive anything someone on-line
says about themselves. Many on-line personalities are entirely made up. No
matter how long you've been texting back and forth, you don't really
know these guys. They lie about their age, marital status, job status and
religious affiliations. I have a friend who went on 150 on-line dates over a two
year period. Some of the dates were hilarious and some were very scary. She
eventually met her soul-mate through mutual friends. Sleepless in Seatle was a
cool movie, but it was fiction. Don't go there.
A wolf in sheep's clothing
Sneaky Jimmy: Peterson wasn't officially sanctioned. And there were
definitely concerns but not of this kind. He provided a venue for fundraising.
The first year was well attended. The second year the event was not nearly as
well attended. Personally, I never wanted anything to do with him or some of the
group he hung with. As another person said, criminals rarely brag about their
crimes, right. Many of us are disgusted by him. I am sick and hope these young
ladies will be helped.
Yes, Sneaky Jimmy, how absurd is it to think that "those in Republican
leadership" even knew about this guy's private life? Or even that
it's relevant that somehow, this guy's despicable behavior, in
private, somehow is imputed to the entire Republican party. This guy was a
low-level "operative." A wanna-be. He never held any elective office
I'm aware of... not even county dog catcher.As one lowly Utahn
who considers himself Republican/Libertarian, I can tell you that: (1) This guy
deserves his day in court; (2) if found guilty, then he should suffer the full
consequences of the law and be put away for a very long long time. I would have
zero sympathy for him.Contrast this approach to that of left wingers
who ignore such behavior on part of Democrats. Lest we all forget the esteemed
43rd President, Bill Clinton, and frequent reports of his dalliances, and
predation upon women. But I guess high standards of personal conduct only apply
to Republicans? Why is Republicanism even a part of this story at
all? Seems to me that's a very minor part of the story.
This fellow is so handsome and charming that women probably flocked around him.
He certainly didn't need to resort to such criminal behavior.
These delusional Amway salesmen types are all too common amongst us.
It sounds like he has narcissistic personality disorder.
If he tells the truth and takes the consequences, he can receive appropriate
punishment and victims, families, and the perpetrator can heal. His bishop and
stake president should be counseling him that way. But his attorney will tell
him to shut up and make them prove their case. Attorneys and judges will
knowingly participate in lies throughout the court proceeding, imho. A judge
once told me that this system where lies can be told is the only way a
perpetrator can receive a fair trial and it's the greatest system in the
world. It might be great, but imagine the improvement if legal officers of the
court had ethics and morals and would not knowingly participate in lies. No
wonder people leave court proceedings absolutely ill from what they witness in
court. Anyone else have that experience in court?
It's so sad that these women had such a hard time getting charges filed
against this creep. So disturbing!
Is there any DNA proof on these allegations? This is either a witch hunt or
this guy has a problem. Could it be this is about eventually collecting money?
I don't think I could ever be a defense lawyer. I mean yes there are
people who need good defense lawyers and are accused of something the
didn't do or who need someone to make sure they get a fair sentence for
their crime or whatever, and I do believe the even guilty people have the right
to a fair trial with good defense lawyers, but I could never do it myself. If I
knew my client was guilty and he wanted to plead not guilty I'd probably
kick him in the butt and tell him to find someone else.
@Sneaky Jimmy"I'm curious why nobody in Republican
leadership ever became concerned about this guys behavior."Probably because none of them knew about it. I don't think he was
bragging about who he sexually assaulted over the weekend at work on Monday
morning.Don't make this a political issue. He is a sick human
being, period - the fact that he is Republican is incidental and irrelevant.
I'm curious why nobody in Republican leadership ever became concerned about
this guys behavior. He has a real problem with women and that should have been
apparent to people that were with him frequently. Peterson should not be allowed
to associate with anyone outside of prison for the rest of his life.
Peterson is one disgusting human being. Lock him up and throw away the key.