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Published: Sunday, Aug. 12 2012 1:00 p.m. MDT

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franky25
Ontario, CA

I think most Utahns would agree that something needs to be done to clean up the air in Utah. However, i don't think there will be much of a push to clean up the air until we all start getting lung cancer.

Florwood
American Fork, UT

If he really cared about the environment, he'd give me 30k so I could install solar panels and buy a Leaf.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

If a person is really concerned about the environment, why go to solar panels? Yes they don't pollute, but they require cleaning to maintain their ability to generate power. That cleaning uses water that typically cannot be reclaimed. If you live in a desert valley, which is easier to live with, some pollution, or no water.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Salt Lake man's actions support his words"

In what way?

Buy an outrageously expensive, but utterly useless car. That's your privilege. But don't delude yourself into thinking your actions have had the slightest effect on air quality.

They haven't.

And if every one per center (the only ones who can afford to flush that kind of money) did the same, the net effect would still be zero.

Deranged, unsupported, tree-hugger true believing simply has no effect, regardless of the quantity of passion wasted.

terra nova
Park City, UT

I admire this man's desire to do what is right. Those who denigrate his efforts deserve no quarter. It is foolish and wrong to put him down. He put his own money up to do what he did. He paid a huge price to go electric and generate his own energy. We should thank him for putting his money where his mouth is. We should try our best to do as he is doing. If every home owner in Utah put one or two solar panels up on their home every year, it would begin to make a huge difference.

If we all do a little, pretty soon, a lot gets done.

Yanquetino
Ivins, UT

@Florwood: Uh... you're just kidding, right? Surely you're not saying that, besides doing his small part as an individual citizen, Mielke should foot the bill for you to do your part also...?

@Redshirt: You're joking also, correct? Solar panels only need cleaning about as often as the windows on a house. When I clean my own panels, about twice a year, it takes one bucket of water with a little vinegar and a pad/squeegee attachment. A bucket of water is more harmful in our desert environment than daily pollution from tailpipes and power plant smokestacks? How about skipping a shower for a day and calling it even then?

@procuradorfiscal: It's true that one individual's commitment has an infinitesimally minuscule effect --just like your one single vote in any election. How about joining us in the effort, then? Just think what a difference it would make if more people made such an effort instead of belittling those who do. By the way, my 2012 LEAF cost thousands less than my 2005 Subaru, and is the best, most useful car I have ever owned. Have you test driven one? Do it!

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "If every home owner in Utah put one or two solar panels up on their home every year, it would begin to make a huge difference."

No, it wouldn't. At least as regards the quality of the air.

It would prove we are the rubes liberal venture socialists and crony capitalists hope we are.

Nothing more.

Yanquetino
Ivins, UT

I am not sure how you draw that conclusion. Two 230W solar panels (like mine) generate an average of 780 kWh per year. There are well over 900,000 households in Utah. That's over 702,000,000 kWhs!

According to the EPA fuel economy rating of 2.9 miles per kWh for a LEAF like Mielke's, those kWhs are enough energy to drive a LEAF 2,035,800,000 miles. At 12,000 miles per year, that's about 170,000 LEAFs.

If you use the EPA's figures to calculate the lbs. of greenhouse gases the power plant would produce to charge those LEAFs according to your zip code, you'll find that charging those LEAFs would generate 336,620 tons of greenhouse gases.

Fueling and driving comparable sized Nissan Versas, however, would generate 779,200 tons -- more than TWICE as much. That's not a "huge difference"...?

And... that's just in year one, with the first two panels per household!

I also fail to see how generating one's own electricity at home is "socialist"...? Doesn't that help make private citizens more independent of both government and "crony capitalists"?

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