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Published: Thursday, Aug. 9 2012 8:55 a.m. MDT

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no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

Difficult to imagine Romney discussing his private religious beliefs, when he is unwilling to discuss his previous business history, his complicated finances, and his tax return secrecy.

Alpine Blue
Alpine, UT

Wise counsel from astute observers. Mitt's reticence to speak only in the most generic terms about his Mormon heritage and values is somewhat disconcerting. Apparently concerned about any theological backlash from the evangelical voting base, he really needs to lighten up and let go of his over cautious inhibitions about sharing more of himself. For such a brilliant and self confident man to hide such an integral part of his character is off-putting and counterproductive.

@ no fit in SG

We know everything we need to know about Romney. He is what he portrays-an honest,straight arrow who follows the letter of the tax code. He certainly did not create it as some imply.

What don't you understand about the Demo strategy to deflect attention from their pathetic record of leadership and attempt to focus attention on meaningless and minute trivia from his records? Nothing but continued obfuscation and disingenuity from the Obama campaign. In reality pretty disgusting and beneath the dignity of our POTUS.

ute alumni
Tengoku, UT

no fit anywhere:
just what do we know about obama?.....nothing other than his history is sealed. good luck on trying to convince intelligent people that romney is secretive.

ECR
Burke, VA

Alpine Blue - The United States, along with the rest of the world, continues to struggle with an economic crisis that has not been seen since the Great Depression. Last month our economy added 165,000 new jobs - not enough to meet demands but a far cry better than the 900,00 jobs lost in January of 2009 - in other words, what President Obama inherited. The stock market is is over 13,000, up from the 7,000 in January 2009. The President does not obfuscate, he talks about all of that every day. His budget proposal for the coming year gives great detail about his policy proposals. Mr. Romney has given no such detail for us to examine.

You state "He is what he portrays-an honest,straight arrow who follows the letter of the tax code. He certainly did not create it as some imply." Talk about obfuscation. Nobody is claiming that Mr. Romney is cheating on his taxes. The public wants to know how the tax system treats those who make significant amounts of money, believing that it favors those folks. That's all. When will Mr. Romney show us?

Dektol
Powell, OH

Yes, it matters. Romney changes his stance on Abortion - AFTER talking with and(per him) getting permission to do so.
Romney believes American Indians came from Hebrews. He believes other fairy tales that make his sanity questionable.
His first allegiance is to his church, NOT the Constitution of the United States.
He should never hold elected office. No believing Mormon should as their allegiance is not to their constituants but to their church.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:Alpine Blue
"We know everything we need to know about Romney. He is what he portrays-an honest,straight arrow who follows the letter of the tax code. He certainly did not create it as some imply."

Actually, we don't know everything we need to know. If he is such a "straight arrow" who follows the tax code what does he have to hide? We should know about his investments? Were/are they will foreign countries? It all reveals who he is and what his core values are doesn't it?

The "straight arrow" part isn't replicated in his campaign. His campaign has repeatedly misrepresented, distorted and lied about opponents--GOP and Democratic alike. Romney's position on issues shifts with the wind.

Actually, I don't want Romney to talk about his religion. I don't consider him a good role model.

zoar63
Mesa, AZ

@ECR

"The public wants to know how the tax system treats those who make significant amounts of money, believing that it favors those folks. That's all. When will Mr. Romney show us?"

By public do you mean the liberals, the conservatives or the undecided’s. if Romney should release all his tax records and be more open with his religious beliefs, liberals will still vote for Obama. Conservatives for the most part do not care about Romney’s tax returns or what religion he espouses and will still vote for him. So that just leaves the those who have not made up their mind yet who they are going to vote for. It is the liberals that are fanning the flames hoping to get this group to vote for Obama.

If the undecided’s are not comfortable with voting for Romney they will just have to vote for Obama and four more years of the same if not worse. There might be one ray of hope however; many people who voted for Obama the first time have sworn they will not make the same mistake this time.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Mormonism is a large part of who Romney is and he seems to not want to go there. In 2008, Obama didn’t want to talk about Jeremiah Wright until it became such a distraction to his campaign that he had to address it. Despite LDS paranoia about Romney being picked apart as a national indicator on Mormonism, the media has been respectful to a fault about probing in that area in which Romney’s aloofness is glaringly manifested.

As for me, I don’t see Romney’s Mormonism as terribly relevant. I have enough good reasons why I won’t vote for him.

Stephen Kent Ehat
Lindon, UT

Quick quiz:

What was the religious affiliation of, say, Herbert Hoover?

Following the release in 1930 of the Clark Memorandum (written on December 17, 1928 by a Mormon, J. Reuben Clark, Calvin Coolidge’s undersecretary of state), Hoover began formulating what would become Roosevelt's Good Neighbor policy. He began withdrawing American troops from Nicaragua and Haiti; he also proposed an arms embargo on Latin America and a one-third reduction of the world’s naval power, which was called the Hoover Plan. The Roosevelt Corollary ceased being part of U.S. foreign policy. In response to the Japanese invasion of Manchuria, Hoover and Secretary of State Henry Stimson outlined the Hoover–Stimson Doctrine which held that the United States would not recognize territories gained by force.

Hoover was a Quaker (Religious Society of Friends). The First World War and Second World War (before and after his administration) put to the test the Friends’ opposition to war. Many became conscientious objectors and some formed the Friends Ambulance Unit, which had the aim of co-operating to build up a new world rather than fighting to destroy the old.

Just saying.

John20000
Cedar Hills, UT

@Dektol in Ohio:

It is genuinely unfortunate that you have such a terrible opinion of all Mormons. I can tell you that the Mormons I know are some of the most sane, stable, and nice people I know. They don't all believe the same things regarding politics, but they do have strong family values and a visible love for their neighbors. These are just the Mormons I know, but I don't know all 14 million of them, especially the half that aren't living in the US. It doesn't bother me to have Mormon elected officials. They do a pretty good job.

merich39
Salt Lake City, UT

Alpine Blue
"We know everything we need to know about Romney."

No, we don't know all we need to know about Romney. You know all you need to know. There are others who haven't yet made up their minds and want more information about the candidates. You don't get to decide for the rest of us how much we should feel we need to know in order to cast our vote.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

@zoar63

"By public do you mean the liberals, the conservatives or the undecided’s."

Why do so many on this board do this? Not everybody is a liberal or conservative or undecided. Nor is everybody a left winger or a right winger … there’s a middle ground for a vast portion of the American public! Most have some left ideas, some right, but are generally somewhere in the middle. It’s a scale, not an absolute! It’s not black and white, there’s shades of grey.

It’s ridiculous. Stop generalizing about people and realize everyone has completely different views, positions, stances, reasons, and everything else. You can’t pidgeonhold people into groups …. It doesn’t work.

merich39
Salt Lake City, UT

zoar63
You're pretty much correct. Most liberals are still going to vote for Obama. Most conservatives are still going to vote for Romney. It's the independents / undecideds who are going to swing this election. And essentially what you are saying is that those undecideds will have to choose between the candidate they know, Obama, versus the candidate they don't know, Romney. They might take a leap of faith with Romney. But when he makes it look like he is hiding something absolutely terrible... something so bad that he knows he would not be elected if he made it public, I imagine there are going to be a lot of those undecideds who will vote against Romney not wanting to take that chance.

Romney's polling numbers against Obama haven't changed much the last 3-4 months. He's been consistently a little behind nationally in most polls and more than just a little behind in the swing states. If he falls further behind in the next month or two, I think you can safely blame at least some of that on his unwillingness to be completely open about his personal finances. Time will tell.

ECR
Burke, VA

zoar63 said, "Conservatives for the most part do not care about Romney’s tax returns ..."

Not so. A recent article cited 20 prominent Republicans who are calling for that very thing. The list includes George Will, Bill Kristol, Ron Paul, Alabama Gov. Robert Bentle, Michael Steele, Rep. Walter Jones, Ana Navarro, Rep. Pete Sessions, Gov. Haley Barbour, Matthew Dowd, Rick Tyler, John Weaver, Brit Hume, David Frum, John Feehery, Gov. Rick Perry, Sen. Chuck Grassley, Sen. Dick Lugar, Wayne MacDonald, Mike Murphy.

Their comments included everything from calling Romney arrogant to saying he should just release the darns things. Probably the most common concern among everyone who wants to see the returns was voiced by conservative columnist George Will, “The costs of not releasing the returns are clear, therefore he must have calculated that there are higher costs in releasing them.”

That's the only conclusion I can come to.

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

@ no fit in SG - Really again, same general post everyday. Doesn't matter the article.

@ ECR - Are you sure you want to go there? Your giving Obama credit for jobs, the stock market, etc. You cry about the bailout money Bush gave out and yet use that here to tout the claims for Obama who reaped the rewards of it. You also say "Nobody is claiming that Mr. Romney is cheating on his taxes." What about Harry Reid and the DNC, have you forgot about them already. You say the public just wants to know how the Tax System treats those like the wealth of Romney. Do your own research, it is available, you can find out on your own and create your own opinion. Don't wait for the media to do it for you.

@ Dektol - You really need to visit other websites than those that give false information. First allegiance to the church, are you kidding me. There is probably no more patriotic of a faith than Mormon members. Ehh! Try again.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

I agree that it would be better for Romney to be more open about his religion since that's a large part of his life, but unfortunately he can't because a bunch of idiots will use that as a reason to vote against him. There's plenty of good reasons to vote against him, religion isn't one of them.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@UtahBruin
Reid never said that Romney is cheating on his taxes. He's only suggested that his source told him Romney paid no taxes for 10 years... after all GE paid no taxes using legal means. It's assumed that Romney has done legal things with his taxes through intricate exploitation of every loophole possible some of which would probably beg the question of "okay that was legal, but why in the world should that be legal"?

"There is probably no more patriotic of a faith than Mormon members."

Isn't Utah dead last for rate of enlisting in the armed forces? Pioneer Day is a bigger deal in this state than the 4th of July. I don't think LDS members are any more or less patriotic than other churches.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

The way Romney won’t open up makes it look like he’s hiding more than his Mormon faith. He doesn’t want to talk about his taxes, his religion, a reported bullying incident from his youth, his personal wealth, his erratic policy positions on abortion, gays, immigration and gun control, and his record at Bain Capitol. His policy ideas are so vague that they are obviously still unformulated.

What Romney does want to talk about all too eagerly, is Barack Obama in terms too absurd to be taken seriously by anyone of sound critical and analytical faculties. Romney charges Obama with waging a war on faith, a war on job creators, and wanting the election to be a referendum on the free enterprise system!

It’s starting to sound like Romney’s true belief is that truth matters less than what he can gull people into believing.

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

@atl134

I am under the thought that if someone accuses me of not paying taxes, quoting a source or a direct statement then I am apt to think that is an accusation of cheating on my taxes. I only assume you would agree with me that not paying your taxes would be a form of cheating. I am not saying that I am correct in this case, it is merely my opinion. I hear you on the legalities of loopholes, I am self employed and if I am presented with an opportunity to reduce my taxes, I take it. If it is in the gray I stay away, I don't need the trouble. Black or white, I do it, or not. But I hear ya.

Patriotism. I am not saying other faiths are not patriotic. I am saying Mormons are a patriotic bunch. Just because you don't serve does not mean you are not patriotic. Also, only my visual opinion, but with your statement, maybe I have an oversight as I live in Utah where I see more Mormons than other faiths. Also, having served myself overseas, patriotism takes on maybe a little different meaning to me.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

I think four years ago, Romney's religion was more important in the political discourse than it is today. The same seems to be true of President Obama. A third of Americans still erroneously believe he's a Muslim, but apparently it doesn't bother them. Maybe the "religion" card has been played out in both parties and people are concentrating on different things. At the end of the day it may be good for those of the Mormon faith. Maybe its a compliment that so many don't seem concerned directly with Romney's religion.

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