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Published: Wednesday, Aug. 8 2012 7:45 p.m. MDT

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DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Utah Democrats are of the same party as Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, and Rahm Emmanuel.

I reject all of the policies and goals of those Democrats, and therefore must reject the Utahns who choose to associate themselves with those listed above.

Our neighbors may be good and decent people, with different ideas, but you must judge a person by the company they choose to keep, and in this case, it is unacceptable. Under ANY circumstances.

I don't care if they skip the Democrat convention, or run from sharing the stage with Obama (as Jimmy Matheson has already done) to try to fool us by claiming they are different. They are not.

If all Democrats were like Utah Democrats, then maybe I would consider voting for them.

MapleDon
Springville, UT

You think the Democrats are going to lure Republicans this year? Really? The DesNews runs this story every two years. Funny thing is, they never write a story regarding how Republican candidates might be more attractive to Democrats than their Democrat counterparts.

With the economy in the toilet (far and away the most important issue), record debt--and all three branches of government working to strap us with even more debt and put our economy into greater peril, America's leadership in the world bowing to China, wars being fought without purpose, our borders not being enforced, etc.--and all of this under the leadership of the Democrats, how could anyone with any level of loyalty and devotion to this country consider continuing down this path we're on by voting with that party?

If anything, expect the Republicans to do well this election.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

Likely I've seen a few more politicians than some readers over the years, obviously not others, but I have to say that the State of Utah was very well served by Governor Rampton and Governor Matheson, both Democrats. We were also well served by Governor Clyde, a Republican. I'm sorry that I can't say as much for more recent governors as they seemed to have an aura of being full of themselves and looking for national attention, rather than taking care of Utah first and foremost. Just my opinion........

I have always voted for the "person" and not the "party" when it comes to elections and have never voted a straight-party ticket in my life.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

The Utah Democratic effort is pathetic. Do they really think they can elect anybody by being the Republicans Lite? People need a real alternative. That's why I gave up on the Utah Democratic Party (and their clones in other mountain west states) and joined the Socialist Party - USA.

Jeromeo
Salt Lake City, UT

"Republicans, beware?" Did his article appear on the Editorial page? Perhaps DN thinks its readership will actually swallow this as a news story. Oh well, Yellow Journalism lives!

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

When the Democrats adopt the principles and values that are important to Utah voters they can expect to see some converts. In the last election Gov. Gary Herbert beat Peter Corroon 64.2% to 31.8%. May I suggest that Democrats that don't believe in abortion and same sex marriage consider joining those of us with a like mind.

Gr8Dane
Tremonton, UT

In the 40's, 50's and 60's, Utah was heavily Democratic. It was lopsided Democratic, and Utahns voted for LBJ in a landslide. People forget that.

But then, the National Democratic Party was hijacked by the extreme left-wing types, and it has never recovered. 1972 was a watershed year with the Democratic National Convention, embracing abortion "rights," ERA, gun control, and other platform items which horrified most Utahns. Utahns left the Democrats in droves, and it has only gotten worse.

If Utahns elect Democrats to go to Washington, they instantly find themselves in isolation and are a quaint curiosity for the left-wing Democratic machine. Conservative Democrats are ridiculed, marginalized, and then run out of town. (Ask Zell Miller).

Too bad things aren't more balanced, but if the National Democratic Party had more balanced (not a euphamism for tax increase) membership, they might have more of a chance in Utah.

Hope springs eternal, right?

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Why vote for a democrat that takes their marching orders from barack, nancy, harry? Look at corroon, becker, matheson, and how they have operated in this state. They take their orders from barack and do everything that is asked of them by the democrat party.

Do you think any of these democrats listen to the will of the people? Unless you want welfare, they don't mention you unless they want your money.

This whole idea that we can tax our way to prosperity is ridiculous.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

DN Subscriber & Rifleman,

Your posts are cases in point for the main thesis of the article. The Republican party has shifted so far to the right, and has become so monolithic, so driven by ideological purity and "litmus tests" (increasingly to the exclusion of problem-solving and actual governance), and so fundamentalist in its views that there is no longer any room in it for moderates (ask Bob Bennett how moderates are treated by the GOP).

I was once a Republican, but I felt marginalized and disenfranchised as it became apparent that the party simply dismisses contrasting points of view (my views on the environment and economic policy vary from the mainstream Republican party line). I also observed a growing hubris and sense of entitlement in the party, particularly at the state level. On the other hand, while my views on 2nd Amendment rights and abortion also vary from the mainstream Democratic party line, a greater diversity of opinions seems to be welcomed and valued in that party.

I think many Utah moderates and independents have had similar experiences to mine, and would make the leap away from the Republicans if they knew they were not alone.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
"Your posts are cases in point for the main thesis of the article. "

When it comes to the core values of the majority of Utahns they find that Republicans most closely share similar beliefs. It is not the Republicans who have shifted their beliefs on same sex marriages, but we have noted that the Democrats have now added that plank to their platform.

And no, Republicans have not shifted so far to the right. When measured against the principles we believed in 20 or 30 years ago there has been a drastic shift to the left.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

“The site even includes a GOP elephant painted blue and orange”

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

"We just want to create a tent in the Democratic Party in Utah and nationally that LDS people can feel comfortable in."

Does that mean abandoning the party’s support for abortion on demand, gay marriage, and dependency on the state?

SG in SLC,
You speak of litmus tests, the DNC has them. Unwavering support for abortion, gay marriage, and state dependency, to name but a few.

SpaceCowboy69
Syracuse, UT

Why do we always hear about the "right" and the "tea-party" hijacking the Republican party, but never hear about the "left" or "socialist/Marxist" hijacking the Democratic party. We have this same story every two years and it gets old and is tired. I have always said that as soon as the National Democratic party supports my views and interest, than I will vote for them. But for now, the Republican more accurately reflects my views so I will continue to vote for them.

A few years ago, the Utah Democratic party put up Dave Thomas as the Congressman for the 1st District against Rob Bishop. I know Dave Thomas personally and he is a great man. At the time he was serving as a Bishop, he and has family hunted, and he was a very successful businessman who started a business after being a teacher. He was the "perfect" Republican candidate, but was running as a Democrat. I struggled internally for days with my decision. I finally had to vote for Rob Bishop because the party he represented was more in-line with my beliefs Nationally than the Democrats. Like it or not, parties matter.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Interesting that several posters here are objecting to what they call Democratic support of "abortion on demand."

Don't they know that the Democratic position on abortion is almost word-for-word identical to that of the LDS Church?

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: one old man Ogden, UT
"Don't they know that the Democratic position on abortion is almost word-for-word identical to that of the LDS Church?"

It is condescending to suggest that someone who doesn't believe as you do must therefore be less knowledgeable. There is a world of difference between the position of the LDS Church and the support for abortion on demand by your everyday, common, garden variety, Democrat.

In other words, Republicans aren't fooled by a wolf in sheep's clothing trying to masquerade as holding the same position on abortions as we do on abortion.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

one old man,
I don't see the LDS church requiring practicing members of ANY faith to pay for contraceptives and morning after pills for their employees. I have NEVER heard that preached over ANY LDS pulpit.

Why do you spread such untruths?

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "That's why I gave up on the Utah Democratic Party . . . and joined the Socialist Party - USA.

Yeah -- that's the problem with us Utah Democrats -- we're just go too lite on socialism.

You gotta hand it to marxist, though. He got tired of all the spin and prevarication, finally admitting that Democrats are expected to be marxists -- even if we are a little too reactionary for his taste.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

Rifleman,

I can guarantee that you won't find the words "abortion on demand" in the national, Utah, or Salt Lake County Democratic Party platforms; what you WILL find is language like "a woman's right to choose"(which is often mischaracterized by conservatives as pro-abortion), "a comprehensive approach that protects reproductive freedom while fostering personal responsibility and education for thoughtful and moral decisions", and "We respect diverse views about reproductive issues. Decisions about reproduction are best made on an individual basis in accordance with one’s own personal or religious values." My faith teaches that free agency and personal accountability for one's choices are eternal principles, and I believe that the aforementioned party platform language regarding reproductive rights squares pretty well with those principles.

Honestly, I think a lot of people would be surprised at how many Democrats there are who generally oppose on moral grounds elective abortions.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

Re: the Republican shift to the right versus the (alleged) Democratic shift to the left, and litmus tests --

FDR, Truman, JFK, Carter, and Bill Clinton would fit in just fine in today's Democratic party; I'm pretty sure you can't honestly say the same for Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Reagan, and Bush I & II (or "41" and "43") in today's Republican party. I don't think that any of them could get the Republican nomination today, and Roosevelt would be absolutely pilloried (George Will said as much in an op-ed piece a few days ago). I'm not sure that even Barry Goldwater or William F. Buckley, Jr. would be relevant in the GOP today, and most people would agree that, taken as a whole, these Republicans are further right of center than the aforementioned Democrats are left of center.

And really, isn't it much more common for someone to be labeled a RINO for not being "conservative enough" than for someone to be labeled a DINO for not being "liberal enough"? That has certainly been my observation...

the truth
Holladay, UT

RE: SG in SLC

Regarding abortion:

If you are "pro-choice" then you MUST BE "pro-abortion".

That is the choice.

If you support the choice then you must also support the act. they go hand in hand.

It is very simple math.

Regarding Democrat party far shift to the left.

It is a fact.

Obama is a communist. and he is the defacto leader of the party. How much farther left can go you when you are embracing communism, marxism and socialism to the fullest?

The repubs have shifted to center left, when the establishment is lead by big government, big spenders like, mccain, bush, lindsay graham, and liberal democrat hobnobber hatch.

sorry if you do not like it being wrenched back to center right by tea partiers.

Your characterizations are wildly wrong or intentionally deceptive.

The people will always move en mass to where they feel the representation is most like them. Here in Utah is is the republican party not the democrats.

The "wooing" will always be frustrated by the true nature of the party.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
"We respect diverse views about reproductive issues."

Yes, that is exactly why 'one old man' is incorrect when he suggests that the Democrat's position on abortion is in line with that of the LDS Church. Conservatives, and the LDS Church, believe that abortions are appropriate where the life of the mother is at risk, and in cases of rape and incest.

When Democrats start showing as much concern for the life of viable unborn infants as they do for condemned killers on death row then, and only then, will we consider supporting them and their candidates.

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