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  • philaD Clifton Heights, PA
    Aug. 9, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    I M LDS 2,

    Do you really want "Romneyites" to spell out ideas on a DESNEWS comment section? Come on. And often, why does anything need to be done at all? Our country and the world in general has become WAY to reactive. Something happens we don't like, we immediately install 100s of protocols, many of which reduce our personal freedoms. There were a lot of very smart people who said that the bailout would only prolong the recovery. They were right.

    I will say this. I'm for a candidate that is not going to sensationalize issues to promote personal agendas and bailout the rich.
    I'm for a candidate who doesn't pander to special interest groups who got him elected, in fact, I'd prefer a candidate who has no ties to special interest groups, period.
    I'm for a candidate who does not spend our money frivolously.
    I'm for a candidate who keeps his campaign promises.
    I'm for a candidate who doesn't put party first.

    Neither of the current candidates can measure up to these standards. Most politicians in the US government can measure up. That's the problem with our current government.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 8, 2012 9:32 p.m.

    It's politics. The more you have someone speaking out against a lie, the more you look guilty.

    Mitt would be better staying quiet. The woman with cancer had insurance, and Mitt was long gone.

    Sure! Obama didn't know anything about this.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 8, 2012 9:24 p.m.

    The wife who passed away had insurance through her job.

    Got to admire the character of Obama, who'll probably blame this on George Bush.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 9:23 p.m.

    Still no viable ideas from the Romneyites...

    No surprise there.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Aug. 8, 2012 2:14 p.m.

    "Has political ad attacking Romney crossed the line?"

    Is there a line? As far as I can tell, the "line" exists for the "other" party, depending on what side you're on.

    We should do away with PACs and Super PACS. The campaigns should have to create their own ads and the candidate then stand behind those ads.

    Romney is going to have a hard time justifying the policies he is proposing, if we ever get to talking about the issues.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    @ LeftBehind -

    Just that, left behind. Obama's new health plan wouldn't have saved this woman either. She would have been to far gone in her diagnoses to warrant substantial treatment.

    It bothers me when people rant and don't understand a thing. Nobody just eats the hot fudge off their ice cream, they eat the whole thing. So why look at Obama's health care plan the same way.

    @ I M LDS 2 -

    You say "The fact that Obama is not perfect is NOT a reason to elect Romney!"

    and

    "Romney cannot Obama-bash his way into the White House. He must present real, viable, coherent solutions."

    Obama's the furthest thing from perfect and if someone can come in and do slightly better I will take them, this is the reason we vote every four years. Obama's failed and you're right, he's not perfect. His four years is up!

    Romney bashing his way into the white house, huh? A new spin from a lefty. Present real ideas you say. Much like the ones Obama has? Oh wait, he has no real, viable or coherent solutions at all. Just his arrogance and inept education.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    "The more you read and observe about this Politics thing, you got to admit that each party is worse than the other. The one that's out always looks the best." ~ Will Rogers

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Aug. 8, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    @RedShirt
    You must have mixed up who you were writing to. I'm very conservative, but am not happy with the Republicans or Democrats in Washington. I don't ignore what any of them do. I advocate term limits, and that we vote ALL of them out after one term until politicians understand that under-the-table deals for votes is not acceptable, especially when it is in sacrifice of jobs, economy, morals, and American ideals. All politicians are not keeping promises that got them elected. Republicans and Democrats want Jamie Dimon to keep his tax breaks when in his professional job, he spends profits of U.S. consumers of Chase Bank to sever employees, build foreign facilities, and create foreign jobs. His salary went from 1 million to 21 million while he laid off thousands of workers in the U.S. in exchange for foreign workers. Obama once stated that he wanted to raise Jamie's taxes and allow him to offset his taxes by creating jobs. He backed off when the liberals and conservatives wanted to keep Jamie's tax breaks. Wall Street salaries should not go up when they offshore jobs, period. Jamie backs Obama.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 12:23 p.m.

    I M LDS 2
    just because the government does not create does not mean the government cannot ruin.

    sugar does not power a lawn mower, but if you put sugar in the gas tank, you will ruin the engine. BO has been dumping sugar in the nation's economic gas tank.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 12:14 p.m.

    To "Cinci Man" what about when your tax dollars are used to prop up unions, and are used to determine which companies survive economic hardships and which do not? What about your tax dollars being spent on companies like Tesla that outsource their manufacturing to foreign nations? You, and your ilk are all the same. You ignore what your liberal leaders do, and attack anything that threatens the power of your leaders.

    To "I M LDS 2" Romney's quote is correct. The government cannot make Staples create jobs, only staples can do that. It is also true that government cannot run the economy. Just look at this recession, and ever other recession over the past 100 years. The more involvement there was from government, the worse the recession was. Government has a poor record for trying to run the economy.

    If Obama and his policies are so great, why is it that we are still suffering from the effects of a recession that ended in the summer of 2009? The recession in 2001 was a distant memory by 2004.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Aug. 8, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    @I M LDS 2

    My point is that you said the economy is NOT Mr. Obama's. But Mr. Obama took ownership of it when we elected him last time. And he said that if he could NOT get it fixed, his term would be one term. That, my friend, IS a reason to NOT re-elect Mr. Obama. He went from a promise to own and fix the economy by his economic policies to the state we are in today where he still blames Mr. Bush and has run spending amok in his effort to buy votes instead of fixing what he said he could fix. His policies have been a disaster and that IS a reason to NOT re-elect Mr. Obama. Last I checked, the best way to NOT re-elect Mr. Obama is to vote for Mr. Romney. So that IS a reason to vote for Romney. We have become an entitlement nation with record food stamps and unemployment. That, to, IS a reason. Thanks for asking me to clear it up. I hope this helps.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    I M LDS 2,

    I am aware that government does not run the economy. However, they can influence it. In trying to "influence" the economy for good, Obama signed hundreds of billions of dollars (if not trillions) away in stimulus packages. And just like we already learned in the 1930's (some obviously didn't learn), it didn't bring the economy back! Obama's health care bill was rammed down our throats and the majority of the country opposed it (fact). His health care bill and his policies are heading toward socialism, where the government WILL be in control of the economy.

    Now do you understand why it is important to get him out of office immediately? Otherwise, he will succeed in his promise to "fundamentally change America", or change what makes America great into a pseudo-European socialist nation.

    So the bottom line is that Romney will be better for our country than Obama will, unless we like socialism. I do not like socialism, as it has been proven to be less efficient than capitalism.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 11:10 a.m.

    Cinci Man,

    And how does that have anything to do with what Romney has said (and fails to say about his proposals for improving things)?

    Why do so many "conservatives" persist in attacking President Obama as if doing so is an asset for Romney?

    The fact that Obama is not perfect is NOT a reason to elect Romney!

    Romney cannot Obama-bash his way into the White House. He must present real, viable, coherent solutions.

    But he has failed to do so (just as you have failed to advocate for Romney).

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Aug. 8, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    @ I M LDS 2

    Just go back and read Mr. Obama's campaign promises and you will understand. He blames Bush because it is NOT HIS. And he promised first year recovery, less than 8% unemployment, and jobs created much faster than they are going. Obama wanted the job. He said if he could not get it done, it would be a one term proposition. We hope he is correct. That may be one promise he will keep. Also remember that he promised that the unions will have a U.S. President picketing with them on the streets. What happened to that promise? And he promised to stop the flow of jobs overseas. Hmm. I have not seen his efforts to stop Jamie Dimon from doing that. Perhaps it's due to Jamie's donations to Mr. Obama's campaign chest.

  • LeftBehind SAN FRANCISCO, CA
    Aug. 8, 2012 10:14 a.m.

    You know if this woman lived in a state that had decent health care, like Massachusetts, this would never have happened.

    If only there was a way to make health insurance like they have in Massachusetts available to everyone!

    Jeepers, next thing you know they'll accuse Romney of having death panels!

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    If those who post comments on here are not concerned with truth, why should PAC ads be concerned with truth?

    Readers here have repeatedly trumped up attacks against President Obama for "his record" regarding the economy and unemployment.

    Why?

    As Mitt Romney himself said, "The Government does not create jobs." The Government does not run the economy.

    Mitt Romney insists that Businesses create jobs, and Businesses influence the economy - business IS the economy!

    So how can any honest Republican or Conservative ever say that Obama's record on the economy or on jobs is "horrific"?

    It is NOT HIS!

    And how can any honest Republican Party nominee, after having pointed out that the President of the US does not create jobs nor control the economy, then insist that his business record qualifies him for the Presidency?

    Make up your mind, Mitt. If you claim to want to help the economy and create jobs, then stay out of the White House. That is not the place to do those things.

    You said so yourself!

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 10:08 a.m.

    @ Joe Bauman

    Joe, I hear your comment, I'm a Romney supporter and I wish Mitt would stand up a bit taller and respond to some attacks as they are being presented, it seems almost daily. However, you suggest that Utahns should "wake up."

    I throw out the same cause to the left, when will they "wake up" as you say and realize that Obama is not the answer. As to the way many lefties put it, they say Romney is a crook, doesn't pay taxes, now he is killing people because of his involvement with Bain. Many accusations unproven because we simply just do not know for sure how everything played out, taxes, off shore accts, bain etc. Media rhetoric is filling the minds of the mindless who do not want to do their own homework to make a decision, rather they let the media chose their candidate for them.

    So, "wake up" lefties and realize your savior (Obama) is not what HE SAID he would be and is not doing what HE SAID he would do. His own words. At least attacks on Romney are media, not his own words.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Aug. 8, 2012 10:07 a.m.

    Pathetic,

    "...Goodness how low can we go..."

    Stay tuned. There's three more months to go before the election.

  • Elmer Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    I am still amazed by people still supporting Obama he shows everyday he is no leader, the only thing he's lead us to is 5 trillon in Debt he praises his bailout for auto industry and we have lost 26 Billion that will never be paid back. Now GM is on verge of going Bankrupt. He's never had a job voted present 100 times in Ill. Legislature helped us get the lowest rating in history has had no budget in 31/2 years he dosen't seem to want to work with house everytime they present something within 48 hours he says he will veto it. And Harry Reid just as well be home these last 3 years for all the good he's done. I don't care who is running anyone would do a better job then he has done

  • Pathetic PITTSBURGH, PA
    Aug. 8, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    Seriously? As CNN and others have reported, Soptic's wife HAD health insurance through her employer after he was laid off and after Romney left Bain. The ad is false; couldn't be more wrong. Amazing to me that, regardless of what anyone thinks of Obama and his campaign staff, that they would think this type of blatantly false message could influence anyone. Goodness how low can we go...

  • Ross Madison, AL
    Aug. 8, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    There is nothing civil or above board about Obama, his attacks on Romney are attacks on each of us who love this country and love what it means to us, and our families and children.

  • Badger55 Nibley, Ut
    Aug. 8, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    Anyone who uses these ads (from either side) as a basis for casting their ballot ought not to be voting. Do some reading and research on the candidate you want to vote for and see if they are the one that can give this country what it needs.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Aug. 8, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    A company uses profits from American consumers to sever American workers, build facilities and hire workers in foreign countries, destroy stability of American families, upend the housing market due to layoffs and unemployment. And all this with no consequence. And those who do this want tax cuts for their personal wealthy incomes. JPMorgan Chase does it. Bain Capital does it. And many others do it. And we keep voting these guys back into office. Wake up America! 23 million Americans are out of work. Millions more are making less than they did 5 years ago. Owning your own home is more difficult if not impossible. Congress and the White House have to be rolled out. Send the message to Washington with your vote.

  • vern001 Castle Rock, CO
    Aug. 8, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    I find it very hard to take articles like these seriously given the horrible things Republicans said about Obama in 2008. That he wasn't born in this country, that he was a Muslim (not horrible but untrue), that he was a socialist, etc. etc.

    And now you whine that Romney is being unfairly targeted? Unfortunately, what goes around comes around.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    PACs dumping money into elections will be our ruin. We have to change the system and create cleaner elections. Do we want American political power for sale?

    We have to change the system. Limit spending. Limit the length of active campaigns. And both sides need to call out those who are engaging in misleading and untruthful ads.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Aug. 8, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    I certainly agree with Charlie Luke of the SLC City Council that Citizens United opened the door for this. That's exactly what Obama argued when the SCOTUS ruling was handed down. It left the Dems in a bind in that they opposed opening the Super Pac Pandora's box. They had little choice other than to play to win by those rules or be the victim of a one-side pummeling.

    Now Republicans are crying foul and Romney complains that the Obama super pac ads are a distraction from Obama's record. Figured that out, have you, Mitt? You're not as quick as I thought you were. Did you honestly expect Obama to go for the bait of playing a strictly defensive game while you flail at a way at him?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 8:15 a.m.

    djc
    why should Romney dignify such an accusation with a response?

    Esquire,
    NONE of Romney's ads claim BO is responsible for a woman's death. If you cannot see the difference, I am truly sorry for you.

  • md Cache, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    The man lost his job in 1999. His wife died in 2006. I fail to see the connection. There are many people who have lost their jobs due to Obama's incompetence. I wonder how many of them have stories that rival the one described in this commercial?

  • freedomingood provo, Utah
    Aug. 8, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    There are strong words going around. But there have been strong actions to go with it on both sides. Our country has been through wars, torture, excessive spending, aruments on taxation, name calling and birth certificate denialing. Why would the ads be any different?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 7:33 a.m.

    Why is it that Republicans can dish it out but get indignant when it comes back at them? This ad is no different than the many attack ads coming from the Romney super PAC and from the campaign itself. But what is amazing is the DesNews, which never asks the same question about the Romney camp. This paper has no hint of objectivity and is really in the bag for Romney. In fact, I consider this editorial stance to be the unofficial policy of the ownership. Why not just be honest about it?

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2012 7:19 a.m.

    We all know this is just entertainment. The younger set like to go the action type Sci-Fi movies. The rest of us sit back an listen or watch another form of fiction.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 7, 2012 11:21 p.m.

    Reading the early comments is proof that negative ads work, even if they are filled with lies.

    And, the gullibility of some people seems limitless, as well as an appalling lack of understanding of basic economics and the roles of business and the government.

    I guess it is true, you really can fool some of the people all of the time.

    And, Obama's "Look a squirrel!" campaign strategy is working to distract attention from his steady record of unemployment over 8%; $5 trillion in new debt with nothing to show for it; no press conferences for seven weeks; gutting the work requirement from welfare reform; a Justice Department infected with major scandals; and his repeated association with people who hate our country.

    For Romney to waste time denying the slanderous charges is a waste of time that only plays into Obama's game by keeping Romney on defense instead of pointing out the problems created and exacerbated by Obama.

    Of course, the news media is totally in love with Obama and outrageously misleads the public, especially those who pay scant attention to politics.

    Obama may well win reelection, but only by a campaign of lies and concealed scandals.

  • philaD Clifton Heights, PA
    Aug. 7, 2012 10:31 p.m.

    no fit in SG,

    Why are the democrats demanding so many documents from Romney? And why is it any of their business? I'd love to see Obama's college records, but I don't really care if he releases them, it's none of my business. Hypocritical to expect Romney to release his records and withhold his own.

  • philaD Clifton Heights, PA
    Aug. 7, 2012 10:25 p.m.

    Does any listen to these ads and take them seriously, from either political party? Why not just look at records and policies put in place by both men. While I'm not thrilled with Romney as a policy maker, I think Obama has been absolutely horrific.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 7, 2012 9:29 p.m.

    I have to agree with Utah Blue Devil for once in my life- we don't even see the ads in Utah because Democrats understand it's pointless to waste their money on ads here like Romney probably doesn't waste money on ads in Vermont. I work quite a bit in "battleground" Colorado and every other commercial is a Presidential campaign ad- even for a political junkie like me it's mind numbing and I can see how it could turn people off to the whole process. Which is exactly what the President wants- to discourage as many people as possible from voting because if they vote on his record- it's over for him.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 7, 2012 8:38 p.m.

    The more Obama is negative the more it reinforces he can't run on his record. Obama is turning people off and they are seeing he's not the man he portrayed himself to be.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 7, 2012 8:27 p.m.

    After living and working in various countries, our political system brings out information about the candidates in a year plus time span. If we are inconveniced due to phone calls, that is not inconvenience in a free world. I have seen people taken from their place of living and taken to jail in a country where a jail does not provide food. So many governments are not really free like our country and even if they have a constitution that may be similar, ruler come in and declare martial law in order to get around the constitutional powers. We are so blessed to have a system that provides us stability in the government and even with an economy that almost every country in the world would want to enjoy. Free enterprise comes with a price and all people benefit from those endeavors of people who make jobs. In our country, our taxes, even though higher than they should be due to unemployment and many government services providing a road to the dole for some, is a good system. What an employer or investor brings into the economy is more than any equivalent in taxes, in most cases. Business = USA prosperity.

  • Joe Bauman Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2012 8:25 p.m.

    Talk about slanted journalism! You trot out somebody to put down the ad about Romney but do not try to talk with anyone who would make the obvious rebuttal: Romney's actions caused a disaster for the family of this steelworker, Joe Soptic, and he has every right to talk about it. Romney's career has followed a disturbing trend in which his profits are placed above the welfare of people. He has been callous with his plant closures, which benefit him, and he will not even disclose how much money he made and how much he paid in taxes. He claims he is afraid that his opponents will distort the details of his tax returns -- well, why doesn't he let the information out and then blast his opponents for any distortions? I am astonished that the good, hard-working, morality-loving people of Utah do not rise up against this secretive politician. Religious affiliation shouldn't be an important criterion for or against a candidate. Wake up, Utahns.

  • srw Riverton, UT
    Aug. 7, 2012 7:59 p.m.

    So the message is, it's inhumane for a company to close a factory because someone might lose their job? Really?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 7, 2012 7:53 p.m.

    Folks.... be glad you don't live in a battleground state like North Carolina. At this point I am all in favor of doing what other nations have done and shortened the political season to a few months. We get up to a dozen calls each night, and every other add is yet another one pointing out just how evil the other is. It has gotten totally over the top. We don't need a full year of this stuff, at the cost of Billions. It is a process gotten out of control.

    As to this add directly, you know, this started a long time ago with the add attacking Newt and his morals. I really think the tone for this election was set early one, and we haven't see the worst of it yet. Swift Boat was only the start those years ago.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 7, 2012 5:43 p.m.

    Go Team!

  • David Centerville, UT
    Aug. 7, 2012 5:30 p.m.

    These ridiculous adds from both sides are frustrating, and bringing us to the lowest common denominator. Candidates are going to try anything and everything to win the election, and because these types of adds influence people they will continue to be used.

    Americans should simply punish those that use them. We should demand detailed proposals and plans from our candidates, and reject the lies and absurd adds that are going around.

    Both sides are guilty.

  • djc Stansbury Park, Ut
    Aug. 7, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    I find the proof in the pudding. Mr Romney and his people didn't say that everything the gentleman said wasn't true, they just tried to divert attention to something else. Thank goodness we are not in a battleground state so we are not barraged with these ads constantly. I don't think either candidate is being well served by the crap they are putting out. As to Mr Romney's status as a tax evader, I have no idea because I have seen nothing to prove he isn't, whether he is a felon or not, I don't know, I believe all the tax cheats in that particular event were pardoned. I am so tired of the politics of hatred from both parties and all candidates. Isn't there a gentleman politician in the land? I haven't seen one.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Aug. 7, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    So now Romney is a felon, a tax evader, and (new today!) a murderer. And the unemployment rate is still 8.3 %. The Obama strategy: DO NOT look at my hideous record!

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Democratic political ads are opening the eyes of American voters.
    Multimittness is becoming easier to visualize as Romney's previous statements about issues are saved for posterity on our airwaves. One cannot continue to express one's policy preferences when one uttered the opposite opinion in a recent time period. Oh, sure people change their minds, but all the time?
    Mitt and his minions tried to confuse the public about his history and sordid business practices.
    Why would Romney neglect sharing his tax returns with the voters he expects to cast a vote for him? Why will he refuse to discuss his true Bain history, and off shore wealth information?
    Why would Romney or anyone else, continue to subject one's self to all of this daily, even hourly abuse?
    The wise individual would chose to correct misinformation and clear one's name.
    Mitt Romney must be concealing some extremely damaging personal information.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 7, 2012 4:15 p.m.

    “Anytime you start bringing things up where you’re scaring people — either by trying to link someone’s death or safety and national security (referencing a recent anti-Obama attack ad) — you’re pushing the envelope of good taste,”

    Bad Headline!!!