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Published: Monday, Aug. 6 2012 10:30 p.m. MDT

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Cottonwood Heights, UT

Here is a little translation help for everyone:

"Deferred action" is Obamaspeak for "de facto amnesty."

I have great empathy for this specific target group, since they actually had little choice about what was going on when they were brought here. I wish them well and hope that they will eventually go through the legal process to earn citizenship.

However, this is clearly aimed at ALSO allowing their culpable parents to stay here as well. None of that awful "breaking up families" or "taking children from their parents" stuff will be allowed. Thus, both the innocent kids and the law breaking parents will stay here indefinitely.

In actual practice, this means that U.S. immigration laws are not worth the paper they are written on, and that the rule of law is officially no longer a policy of the U.S. government.

Now, please tell me which laws native born, tax-paying U.S. citizens are will benefit from "deferred action" on if we choose to ignore those laws?

wigglwagon
Mariion, Va

Why are these people getting work permits? Is President Obama aware that we also have a problem with unemployment of law abiding American families? How about a little discretion in that area?

We have already experienced 'deferred action' on unemployment.

Ali999
Lansing, MI

Gonzalez is now 17 and was brought here 6 years ago at age 11. He's STILL spent most of his life, including the formative early years, in his homeland, so just why is it he shouldn't go back, especially if his family is also deported with him?

one old man
Ogden, UT

Now watch as the hateful comments begin.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

one old man,
where is your empathy for our unemployed youth who are legal immigrants or US citizens?

the young man in the picture is taking a job from a legal resident, and I suspect most, if not all of his co-workers are. I also suspect his employer is paying him below minimum wage, because as an illegal alien, he has little recourse. Do you not have empathy for him being treated as an indentured servant, at best?

Hate goes both ways; empathy goes both ways. calling the enforcement of our laws hateful says our laws are hateful. That may be the case, but until they are changed, they should be enforced.

abinadi
Magna, UT

This is win win. Many immigrants are here because conditions are so deploreable in their own countries. These conditions are the same as in pre-revolutionary France where the upper class owns everything and the rest have nothing. We don't need to treat these people disrespectfully. They are human beings. We can send them back, but first give them an education, treat them with respect and make them friends, and then send them back to change their governments and conditions to be more like America. That will be the long term solution for everyone!

sally
Kearns, UT

I guess the parents/relatives who are illegal, are allowed to stay and work too? With just a two year work opportunity, why spend the money to hire and train someone? Even though they are told they can renew their status, it doesn't mean this opportunity will still be available in two years. If they attend college, how do they pay for it unless they have a sponsor? Are federal loans available to them too? I'm too American to hire one of them. I support citizens first.

one old man
Ogden, UT

lost, you do seem to be lost.

A friend of mine runs a successful landscaping business. I've noticed several times that the turnover among his white American employees is very, very high. But his employees of darker skin stay with him through the summer.

I asked why. He explained that all his employees are legal residents -- although some are not citizens. He also told me that most (not all, but most) of the white American kids he hires quit after only a few days of very hard work in hot sun. Either that, or they hide out in the shade -- often texting as they do -- or work so slowly that he finally fires them after several warnings.

In fact, he just had to ask his bishop's son to leave the crew. He pays well above minimum wage and even provides breaks and snacks and cold drinks.

Then there is the cherry farmer in Perry who says he has simply stopped hiring any American kids because they either eat the cherries, throw them at one another, or sit in the shade complaining.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

trevor,
I know plenty middle class youth who would be happy to work for a landscaping crew. Your insinuation that our youth are spoiled and lazy is derogatory.

The BLS says unemployment among our youth is nearly 24%, I ask you where are all these jobs our "spoiled kids" are turning their noses up at?

Thank you for calling me uninformed and illiterate. "I suggest you educate yourself on the matter. Where is your ability to THINK for yourself?"

You will notice I did not call YOU uneducated when I pointed out our youth have nearly a 24% unemployment rate.

I am also not calling you reactionary or belligerent even though I clearly stated our laws MAY be hateful.

You will notice I did not call you stupid as you did me.

As to the indentured servant comment - I guess you are pleased that ruthless employers can take advantage of illegal immigrants and pay them below market wages. Just as long as it save YOU money on your lawn care.

Are conditions here better than there? sure. Is an indentured servant better off than a slave? yes.

Kid came when he was 11, he's 17. NOT his whole life.

CHALY0
OREM, UT

Ya'no, it is time to stop passing laws in this country. When one is passed the first thing people do is try to get around it. If you pass one the Feds don't like they stop it. How do the cops know what the current enforceable law happens to be on any given day, such as 'illegal' immigration, or your own Chief decides what he will cover and what he won't. One thing to do is pass a law that requires two be removed for every new one. We seem to have more concern for people that shouldn't even be here than our own citizens. I think the whole Federal government is close to being a criminal enterprise when you watch what is happening and, surely, they can't all be from Chicago!

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

Lets get this straight. He came here illegally when he was 11, obtained a job and is paid illegally. On top of that, he also attends SLCC, most likely paying in-state tuition. While it is great that he wants to improve his job prospects, what good does it do to allow him to stay here?

Once he gets a degree, he still will be unable to be employed legally using his degree. Wouldn't it be more merciful to go back to his native land, then immigrate here legally?

prelax
Murray, UT

No one is less compassionate than those who break the law, stealing jobs that belong to legal immigrants.

Obama has just made the situation worse, and heightened the resentment during a time when citizens need these jobs.

They are still here illegally. What a mess. Brought to you by a man who's own family ignores our immigration laws.

Ali999
Lansing, MI

Abinadi wrote:"This is win win. Many immigrants are here because conditions are so deploreable in their own countries. These conditions are the same as in pre-revolutionary France where the upper class owns everything and the rest have nothing.
------------You may recall that the French had a revolution to change that. In fact, the Statue of Liberty was given to us by France as Liberty Enlightening the World to encourage people in other countries to overthrow tyrants following the American example, just as France did. The Arab Spring is more in keeping with the Statue than illegal immigration is.

SLars
Provo, UT

An American President bringing in scabs to depress our wages during the great recession?

wrz
Salt Lake City, UT

Any special considerations such as 'deferred action' and the so-called Dream Act are unconstitutional. The US Constitution requires equal protection (treatment) under the law.

The President is violating the Constitution and his oath of office when he ignores laws created by the US Congress... deciding that some illegal immigrants should get special treatment. He is violating the Constitution and his oath of office when he decides illegal immigrants, regardless of their circumstances, should not be rounded up and deported. Why should a person who enters the military, or enrolls in school, or graduates from high school get a better call than a person who is picking strawberries and apples in the hot sun all day every day? There is no provision in the law and under the Constitution for unequal treatment of anyone residing in this country as citizens or non-citizens.

Mr. Bean
Salt Lake City, UT

@abinadi:

"Many immigrants are here because conditions are so deplorable in their own countries."

We have deplorable conditions in our country... We have 15 million unemployed Americans. That's deplorable! But the reason our unemployed are not as deplorable is because we borrow money from China to pay them to sit home drawing unemployment benefits while illegals take their jobs. That's the difference.

"We don't need to treat these people disrespectfully."

We need to treat them as they treated our laws. They disrespected our laws by crossing our borders without permission... or they came on legal visas but forgot to go home when their visas expired.

"We can send them back, but first give them an education, treat them with respect and make them friends, and then send them back to change their governments and conditions to be more like America. That will be the long term solution for everyone!"

We should just send them back... If you give them an education then deport them, they will go home and compete with the US for shares in the world market. We don't need that.

SLars
Provo, UT

Changes to the program now make everyone eligible under 31. "Now, young people who didn't graduate or receive their G.E.D. can still apply for the legal status as long as they re-enroll in high school by the time they apply."

The Congressional budget office put the dream act at 2 million, but they were high school graduates. With the current drop out rate it will be 3 million minimum. That's as many jobs that were created in 2011 and this year so far.

Watch Dog
Provo, UT

There is something drastically wrong when our political leaders can choose to ignore the rule of law. When they chose to ignore existing law, then they need to go. Sooner, not later.

This individual is only one of thousands who get to ignore our laws as a result. Where is the fairness in this? Do I, as a citizen of this country, ever get to ignore the laws that I want to ignore? After all, what is fair for one is fair for all, right? This slippery slope leads directly to anarchy.

Apparently, we are already there, for there seems to be no accountability for the illegal alien, their greedy employers, nor our political leaders who also ignore the rule of law - with no accountability whatsoever.

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