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Published: Friday, Aug. 3 2012 9:35 p.m. MDT

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My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

I's astounded that the Utah board of education had some foresight and understanding of the implications of what this SBAC and its core program is all about, socialized eduction under the control of government and business.

Now if we can convince this same board of education to give up Utah government and business from controlling education and our schools and our money. They finally admitted the error of government interference, now they just need to practice what they preach for our Utah schools.

Education is part of our free will and freedom of choice and freedom of speech which has been lost far too long and has devastated our population so bad they don't know how to be free and self sufficient, so they are reattaching the umbilical cord to their parents hive.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Instead of sharing costs and sharing ideas with other states we will go it alone. I would really like to know what the price tag for this move will be. This was done simply to satisfy the paranoia of some of our extremists. Maybe we should just simplify this process and have the Eagle Forum design the assessments, since they will ultimately have to approve them.

We complain because our kids don't stack up against the rest of the world in educational testing, but we are going to control the curriculum and the testing so tightly that our students will not even be exposed to the same things that students in other countries will be exposed to, but we will expect them to score as high as other students. Makes perfect sense to me.

On the other hand
Spanish Fork, UT

A short-sighted move based on irrational fears. Way to go, Utah.

Oak
Highland, UT

Yep, Utah is out of the SBAC as soon as we get federal permission to exit since that's one of the several requirements to leave. Don't worry though, the feds aren't trying to take over education, unless you actually believe what Arne Duncan, secretary of education actually says about the issue. Check it out at Utahns Against Common Core's website.

one old man
Ogden, UT

50% of the comments here so far are sensible.

The other 50% are spouting Eagle Forum conspiracy nonsense.

In the meantime, it's the children of Utah who will lose.

the truth
Holladay, UT

again we have silly and ignorant comments from left, teaching hate for particular group and people on the right, telling us we the people are incompetent fools,

believing in silly nonsense like the magic elixir for education a some faceless federal bureaucrat thousands of miles making up an arbitrary standard,

which will have federal dollars attached to it sooner if not later.

And we also we have the extreme left again telling us we the parents and people of a local community can not educate our kids competently, that we must be beholden to said nameless faceless federal bureaucrat, and give up all control to them and their magic standards.

And that doing will solve all problems in world and create a magical educational paradise.

So why hasn't the current leftest union control of education, for the last 50 years, fixed a darn thing yet, but made things only worse?

Mamma C
HEBER CITY, UT

I am very grateful that we have a school board that is humble enough to realize an error and fix it. Kudos to the school board for pulling us out of the bureaucratic disaster of the SBAC/Dept. of Ed's stranglehold that consortium membership would require. Pray they find a truly independent and legitimate way to test our students that circumvents the data-collection agenda (without parental consent, and including personally identifiable information that is non academic) that Joanne Weiss, Arne Duncan, Obama and others are proposing.

worf
Mcallen, TX

American education is the worlds biggest scam.

Congratulations to Utah.

Half of our doctors, and technical engineers, are from other countries. You've got to wonder how effective the standardized testing, and extravagant funding has been.

Way to go Utah. Let's just teach.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

the truth,

Sorry not a liberal, and I guess from your post its ok if you are on the far right to trash those who are not. The paranoia about testing associated with the common core is just that, paranoia. This is a chance to get everyone on the same page which is good for kids.

I am a republican member of that so called leftist union. For years we have asked the far right state legislature to quit trying to come up with a magic solution, and every few years they come up with more magic one of the most recent examples Singapore math. Don't blame the teachers association for these efforts at magic, blame those who are in control, the state legislature.

For the first time in twenty five years we have a legislator in Senator Osmond who is willing to talk to teachers about legislation that affects education, what a novel concept, I know. There was a very good piece of legislation that came from this effort. This legislation will create better teacher evaluation and result in the termination of teachers not doing the job, and yes this was done with UEA's help.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

Oak, would you please provide excerpts of the legal agreement proving that the federal government must give Utah permission to leave SBAC? I can't seem to find the language in the agreement that gives credibility to your claims.

Winglish
Lehi, UT

Great, now Utah has zero say in how the test is designed. Let's see, we have 43 states working on tests with collective representation. Utah now fails to send any representatives to the republic of which Utah was a charter member.
Will Utah find a private company that creates tests more consistently aligned with core standards? Follow the dollars, folks. Just wait until you see whose hands get into the money pot for test creation in Utah. I would bet my house and everything I own that we'll be able to track the money to legislators and/or their donors.
This is not a good decision for children in Utah.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

Since Utah will no longer be giving the same assessment as 43 other states, we will have no accurate measure to compare how our children are doing as compared to children in other states. I'm not surprised though. Utah will fare worse than other states since our legislature is not committed to funding education adequately. With our own assessment, the state can manipulate the statistics to show that our children are performing better than they actually are and the legislature can continue in its efforts to undermine (underfund) public education.

...and of course, this state government is rife with crony capitalism, so by going it alone, somebody in the legislature (or a family member or friend) will stand to make a lot of money in duplicating services (writing our own test). It is a lot cheaper to pool our limited resources with other states, but writing our own test will cost millions of extra dollars that our students will have to give up so a company can profit. This is the corrupt world we live in and it won't change until the voters wake up and boot these profiteers from public office.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Winglish,

How have these tests made better learners of our children, and better teaching of teachers?

Over the past thirty years, I've asked hundreds of education professionals, and not one has ever given me a positive for it, other then the much needed accountability.

Who cares how the tests are designed?

Winglish
Lehi, UT

Worf,
The simple answer to your question is exactly how you answered it: Accountability. There are some other benefits to standardized tests, however. The first and foremost benefit in my mind is that these tests give teachers immediate access to individualized data for every student they teach. Many teachers don't know how to look at data to improve their teaching. I do.
I look at my incoming students' test scores and break the scores down by category. I know my students' strengths and weaknesses in reading and writing before they step into my classroom to begin the year. I know which areas of language arts need to be my greatest focus. The data tells me which students need to be remediated on any given skill set. I can use the test data to plan individualized interventions for any specific language skill that is not up to par.
Why do I care how the test is designed? Because standardized data shows me how my students compare nationally. That feedback is crucial to my self-improvement. If my students are scoring lower than their counterparts around the country, I seek ways to improve my instruction in that area.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

"According to officials, the state will soon issue a request for proposals from companies... to provide assessments for mathematics and English language arts."

And why do we have to pay another company to make an assessment? Are we not capable of doing this ourselves?

If a 'company' is involved, then so is someone making profit. I favor capitalism and argue it frequently, but government and business should never mix (despite how married they are in this country today) Tax dollars shouldn't pay for profits, plain and simple.

carman
Wasatch Front, UT

Wonderful. Now the Utah education establishment has made our test scores incompatible with scores from around the country. What does the BOE know that you don't? Perhaps it is that when compared to peers around the country on demographically adjusted cohorts, that Utah schools are below average performers. Look at the data folks. You may be surprised.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Winglish,

Accountability? Our leaders failed math. Inability to balance the checkbook has led to a sixteen trillion dollar debt, and our children are held accountable to that? How many states, or cities, are in a deficit?

An example needs to be set if our children are to be held accountable.

Since when are children held accountable to the employee of the people? These tests do not increase learning, but gives authority to these bureaucrats.

There is danger whenever a government runs education. As a famous German leader once said:

Let me run education for eight years, and I'll control their beliefs.

Abbygirl
East Carbon, UT

Common Core is not “state-led,” never piloted, undermines choice, threatens student/family privacy, and is ”an inappropriate overreach to standardize and control the education of our children so they will conform…” Utahn's had better wake up to the real Common Core and what it means to our children and grandchildren. There is a reason they want our 4 year olds.. and it is not to save money. Hitler grabbed the youth of Germany for the same reasons and made into little machines who would tattletale on their parents, or turn them in for not following the Fuher! I have written to both of my Senators and asked them to please remove Common Core completely from Utah!

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