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And would it be better if our media only asked politicians about themselves with no further investigation?
How about corporations? Do we investigate them or just ask them for their position.
It is ludicrous to think that one will get a complete picture of anything if you only get one side of a story.
I think all would agree that any religion has some warts that they would rather not discuss.
That does not mean that the warts don't exist. And it doesn't mean that they are false.
If church members want to be the go-to place for info about the church, they will need to be open and thorough, and tell the whole story, warts and all.
It is amazing how people misconstrue religious beliefs, especially if somebody with a political motive wants to shovel things that are untrue into the nation's press. Its amazing that over a third of Americans actually believe their President is a Muslim. Its in everyone's best interest to hold the media responsible.
RE: Celestial Marriage makes gods in Eternity. (D&C 132:20) …”Then they shall be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting , because the continue; then they shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them . Then shall they be gods , because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them."
The Bible tells us, “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like(as) the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30 NIV).
(Psalm 148: 2,5 NIV) Verse 2, all his angels; praise him, all his heavenly hosts. 5. Let them praise the name of the LORD [YHWH], for at his command they (angels) were Created.
Col 1:16, For in him all things( including angels) were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home… Fallen angels(devils) Nothing to with pre mortal being.
@Sharrona:
Mormons get married in temple ceremonies, and they have never said that marriages will occur at the resurrection (providing that such a thing isn't imaginary). After reading what you have posted, I see no contradictions between the Bible and the Mormon scripture.
To Sharrona:
I am not sure what your post has to do with the article, but you have selectively quoted your biblical source. Heavenly Father has already evidenced beyond any reasonable doubt his willingness to share all that he has with us. Heavenly Father gave the life of his only begotten Son for us because He feels we are special to him. He knows we are worth it. As “his offspring” (Acts 17:28-29) in our spiritual bodies, He knows of our potential to fulfill his commandment to become “perfect” as He is. (Matt. 5:48) The scriptures refer to us as both his “children” and as “gods.” (Psalms 82:1; 6) He has provided the plan and the way for us to become both perfect and “joint-heirs with Christ.” (Rom. 8:17) Heavenly Father’s plans for us are so gloriously incomprehensible that “eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.” (1 Cor. 2:9)
@KTC John I am not sure what your post has to do with the article, but you have selectively quoted your biblical source? It concerns Biblical Marriage and God’s family
“For in him we live and move and have ‘our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring=(G. genos/generated)” (Acts 17:28)
God created man in the generic sense, but you must be adopted into the family of God. “For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but you have received the Spirit of adoption, by which we cry, Abba, Father”(Romans 8:15)
(Matt. 5:48)Be ye perfect[ed] (G. teleios) in Love ,(see vv. 43-47)not that we can attain this standard in this life but Gods standard for us.
“gods.” (Psalms 82:1; 6)Divinely appointed judges invested by divine appointment are called “gods”. James Talmage p. 501 Jesus the Christ. ( John 10:34) I said Ye are gods. Not even Mormonism teaches that Mormon men are gods right now.
Sharrona
It is important that when you quote a scripture that you read it first so that you can know what it says. If you read verses before and after you can even capture the context. Jesus was asked about the law in the church that attempted to address whose wife someone would be after seven brothers had all married her following the death of each of her spouses. Jesus answered that they had not read the scriptures. In the resurrection there is no marrying nor giving in marriage, which is true. Marriage is an eternal covenant made BEFORE the resurrection, not 'at' or 'after'. This incident also points out that it WAS a law in the church that marriage be an eternal proposition. That's what they were taught and believed; otherwise, why did they make the inquiry of Jesus in an attempt to trap him in his answer. Jesus answered in a way that did not trap him, but trapped them because they asked the question using the wrong words. Thanks for bringing up this important misunderstanding. You can find answers to your questions as you prayerfully and humbly seek for answers.
KTC John.
You bring up an excellent point. If sharrona and others would search the scriptures for the word "perfect" they would find many examples where prophets, apostles, and even Jesus taught of the eventual intended perfecting of the saints. I appreciate the indexing and cross referencing of the scriptures the LDS Church offers and as a Church we invite all who wish to study the complete word of God to use this valuable tool. Many converts to the Church from other religions that I know are also grateful and wish that members of their former congregations would use the tools for study offered by the church. Elder Bednar encourages us to collect all scriptures on a given subject that we may become more fully taught in the doctrines. Did you notice that sharrona takes most things out of context? Example: "Mormonism teaches that Mormon men are gods right now". Sharrona should write for Bloomberg's BW.
Sharrona, where does the bible teach you that Jesus died again and has no body, or where does it teach you to pray to Jesus, rather than Heavenly Father in Jesus' name?
RE: Cinci Man,In the resurrection there is no marrying nor giving in marriage, which is true. Marriage is an eternal covenant made BEFORE the resurrection, not 'at' or 'after'.
Jesus replied, “Marriage is for people here on earth. But in the age to come, those worthy of being raised from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. And they will never die again. In this respect they will be “like angels.” They are children of God and children of the resurrection.(Luke 20 34-36 NLT).
“like the angels’, the resurrection order will not follow present earthy lines. There will be no marriage no procreation and no death to those who are to take part in the resurrection of the righteous.
“*Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb(Jesus)!"(Rev 19:9)
“*Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. (Mt 5:6)
@ the word "perfect"( Grk ,teleios) I appreciate the indexing and cross referencing of the scriptures the LDS Church offers?
I find the Greek Bible and Lexicon with modern translations more objective and helpful
Sharrona,
Thanks for the clarification on what you are using, the NLT with modern changes to the words that better fit newly discovered doctrines of modern churches. In our specific Sunday School classes, our very learned scholar of Greek and Arabic and Hebrew texts continually shows us the flaws, not differences but actual flaws, in the NLT version. But at least I have and appreciate where you are coming from. The LDS Church cross references are not invalid just because you use the NLT. You can still use the tool and see where subjects are addressed in multiple placed to gain a full context.
The LDS Church uses the same Bible it has used since it's founding and has not seen the need to change the translations to fit beliefs. But we do have the inspired version and Joseph Smith translations that in some cases help us understand why the original words were used in the King James translation. I admit some will say J.S. changed the words to fit his beliefs. I just happen to agree with his interpretations and you do not. It's ok to disagree, and I do, respectfully. Thanks.
I agree that journalists should seek to be fair and accurate and that giving equal weight to mainstream and disaffected or antagonistic voices doesn't really accomplish that aim very well.
However, I'm concerned about the insistent focus on Romney. Yes, his candidacy has brought increased attention to the LDS Church. But that means it's all the more important to make a strong distinction between coverage of Romney and coverage of the Church. That's especially important for wholeheartedly believing, committed members who consider Romney (like all of us) a mere human being whose views don't necessarily reflect those of the Church. I'm also concerned at how many Deseret News opinion pieces meld two things that should be kept quite distinct: being sympathetic toward/defending the LDS Church and being sympathetic toward/defending Mitt Romney. When I raised this concern with the Deseret News's Joe Walker, he said, "For whatever it’s worth, I meet with my editors this morning to discuss the very issue you bring up with regards to being even-handed and not promoting a particular presidential candidate. Hopefully you’ll see that more clearly represented in future articles."
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