Published: Wednesday, Aug. 1 2012 6:00 p.m. MDT
Here's what I don't understand. Why can't a person "support
traditional marriage" without being against gay marriage? Go ahead and
support traditional marriage. But do it without trying to use the force of law
to prohibit other people from living their lives the way they want to.
Schwa, I fully agree with you. But what I don't agree with is one group -
in this case the gay community - trying to punish a company whose owner has a
certain opinion, and yet his company doesn't discriminate in practice. It
is just wrong.... and yes, I ate at Chick Fil A today.But I will
equally oppose those who try to deny others their right to choose as well. The
government is not an instrument to enforce doctrine. Family values should be
taught by family, and religious values should be taught in churches and homes.
@SchwaHere's what I don't understand.Cathy
essentially said that he and Chick-fil-A support "the biblical definition of
the family unit" and he donated some of his money to charities that fit
within that framework as he sees it. That hardly is using the "force of law
to prohibit other people from living their lives the way they want to." At the same time, it was the liberal politicians in San Francisco,
Chicago, and Boston who did directly threaten to use their power and the force
of law to deny Cathy and Chick-fil-A their Constitutionally-protected rights.
Go ahead and support gay marriage. But do it the right way (on the
ballots) and try not to bully them or infringe on their rights.
UtahAzulDiablo,Good job of saying what needs to be said!
@ a schwa- what's odd about your comment is that the CEO of Chick-Fil-A
never even mentioned gays in his comments to a reporter who was btw from a
Baptist organization- it wasn't Connie Chung or Anderson Cooper. He simply
said that he and his company supported the biblical definition of a family.
That's all. The word "gay" or "gay marriage" never came out
of his mouth. And the politically correct thought police crowd went berserk. I just feel bad for the people who were oblivious to all this and had their
heart set on a Chick-Fil-A sandwich for lunch today and got there to find they
wouldn't have time on their lunch break to deal with the wait.
@teleste -Cathy (actually all the Cathys, not just Dan - Bubba and
Truett, too) uses CFA profits to lobby. That's his right, of course, just
as it's the right of anyone to either support or not support their
business. But to suggest that the Cathys are not attempting to "use the
force of law" to enforce their beliefs is ignoring the facts in regard to
how they spend their money. They financially support, and seek to expand, what
many see as discriminatory law. Which is not to say that the others
you mentioned are in any way right to use government force against CFA.
There's been plenty of mindless bloviating on all sides of the issue.
@AbeI guess the difference I still see between the two sides (in
this case anyways) is that even if Cathy is using his money to support "what
many see as discriminatory law" he is well within his rights to donate to
whatever causes he so desires...just like you said. What he is doing is legal,
part of the political discourse in this country, and in his eyes the moral thing
to do. On the other hand, the politicians who threatened him wanted
do illegally target his constitutional rights.That doesn't make
this case pot-vs-kettle, it's more like law abiding citizen-gets-targeted.
It is particularly sad that our entire national dialogue on the nature of human
rights has degenerated to a fight over whether or not to eat a chicken sandwich.
This action is no different than countless other situations in which the
left-wing has done everything it could to silence someone with an opposing
viewpoint. Indeed, the left is determined to silence all who oppose it.The left is out to force same-sex marriage on the public, without giving the
public a chance to decide for itself. In fact, the left will not hesitate to use
intimidation, threats, or bullying to force this issue.It is time to
stand up to this brand of leftist economic intimidation. Buy all the chicken you
can, or watch your freedom of expression be destroyed.
@WallyOr awesome.In some countries the people just kill
I wanted so badly to support Chick-fil-A, today, but ended up in the ER all day.
I was so disappointed. I believe in freedom of choice, even if it means being in
a relationship I don't agree with, but I don't feel it should be
considered a "marriage". Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Chick-fil-A == American Patriotism. The Mayors of Boston and Chicago == the ugly
face of Marxist sensorship . America is at war and today was a chance for
liberals to watch American patriotism in action - coast to coast.
The president of Chick-Fil-A is a marketing genius. He states the obvious and
then creates a referendum on traditional marriage and free speech that morphs
into a day of buying his products as a sign of solidarity. I hope
this is not the start of another red state blue state divide in which the red
state traditional family values activities each chicken and the blue state
progressive family values activities eat . . . stuffed crepes or Swedish
pancakes. Most Americans will stand in line for games or to buy
products, but the most of them will not stand in line to vote even if there is
not a line.
The mayors of San Fran, Chicago, Boston, et al want to ban CFA because of the
beliefs of its CEO. A New York City councilwoman wants NYU to sever its contract
with CFA, citing "diversity" as the reason, saying New York prides
itself on being the most diverse city in the world. Seriously? Will they want to
ban churches that hold to a traditional view of marriage next? Are they willing
to marginalize anyone that thinks differently than they do, all in the name of
diversity, inclusiveness, and tolerance? These politicians have no idea what
hypocrisy mean--nor what the constitution stands for. The debate can go on all
day between people of opposing viewpoints, but when government officials seek to
control the licensing process because of the way someone thinks (and legally
puts their money), we have failed as a nation. When will the thought police be
knocking on our doors?
The mayors of Chicago and Boston should be impeached for threatening a private
business owner who was exercising his first amendment right. If you support gay
marriage and don't like his stance, then don't go the restaurant. But
there is a disturbing trend on the part of the American Left (I don't call
them liberals anymore because they aren't liberal, they are totalitarian)
to limit certain speech and actions that are basic American freedoms. This
'protest' today was a great thing.
Enjoyed a wonderful evening in a jam-packed Chick-fil-A in So. Jordan. Dan Cathy
has every right to express his First Amendment freedom of speech rights without
being punished for it.
"It is time to stand up to this brand of leftist economic intimidation."
- John Charity SpringJCS - what is it that prevents some people from
seeing the hypocrisy of their own statements? Is it that those people only
research and repeat information that supports their own viewpoint?In
2003, the Dixie Chicks faced a boycott by radio stations and saw their CD's
destroyed in protest for simply exercising their rights to freedom of speech.
Those protests were conservatives trying to exercise 'economic
intimidation'. In 2008, the founder of Cooper firearms
donated money to the Obama campaign. For that 'atrocity',
conservatives called for a boycott of his company. He stepped down as president
to try to protect his company and his employees.There are many, many
examples of 'economic intimidation' coming from the conservative side,
yet you insist on claiming this in only a 'leftist' issue.
more divisiveness - and what is silly is that in a few short years we'll
look back on this and shake our heads. Who cares what the owner of this place
believes, but when he says it in public, he does open himself up for scrutiny
because of his ownership in the company. So we come to find out (if you
didn't know) that CFA is a company owned by Evangelical Christians... I
wonder what they think of Mormons? Would we be lined up to patronize the
business if we pressed him for an answer to my question?
If a company's, say Trader Joe's, CEO said in an interview that he
believed that Mormonism is a cult and people found out that he and his company
donated money to liberal groups that actively campaign against Mormons...would
people in Utah be acting the same way? I mean, he has every right to state his
opinion right? And anyone that doesn't agree with him or doesn't want
to financially support his view would have every right to boycott him and his
business right? I mean he isn't actively discriminating anyone. And if the
Provo and SLC mayors came out and said that if you don't like Mormons,
maybe you shouldn't bring your business to their cities they would just be
supporting the view point of their constituents right? I mean the majority of
the populations in those cities are Mormon or Mormon friendly. Do you see where
I am going with this?
As a private business owner, the right to free speech is still the same as any
individual. The owner(s) are allowed to say anything they want in support of
his/their beliefs. They can donate their money to whatever cause they
choose.As an individual, I have the right, as a participant in a
free market economy, to support or boycott any business I choose, for whatever
reasons I want. Nobody can tell me I am infringing upon his First Amendment
rights while doing so.As elected officials, who are in charge of
contracts and the like, mayors can, if they choose, interpret the 14th Amendment
(and various civil rights legislation) to determine Chick-Fil-A's stance as
being discriminatory and therefore not allowed to compete for, or receive
funding from local government agencies. Don't like it? Elect a new
Mayor.Do you remember when the first "Coon" Chicken opened?
It was in Salt Lake City in 1925. Do you still see it around? No. Chick-Fil-A
is not the same thing, but it is viewed by some as analogous. Let the Free
Market decide. Isn't that how it should be dealt with?
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