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Published: Wednesday, Aug. 1 2012 6:57 p.m. MDT

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Schwa
South Jordan, UT

Here's what I don't understand. Why can't a person "support traditional marriage" without being against gay marriage? Go ahead and support traditional marriage. But do it without trying to use the force of law to prohibit other people from living their lives the way they want to.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Schwa, I fully agree with you. But what I don't agree with is one group - in this case the gay community - trying to punish a company whose owner has a certain opinion, and yet his company doesn't discriminate in practice. It is just wrong.... and yes, I ate at Chick Fil A today.

But I will equally oppose those who try to deny others their right to choose as well. The government is not an instrument to enforce doctrine. Family values should be taught by family, and religious values should be taught in churches and homes.

teleste
Austin, TX

@Schwa

Here's what I don't understand.

Cathy essentially said that he and Chick-fil-A support "the biblical definition of the family unit" and he donated some of his money to charities that fit within that framework as he sees it. That hardly is using the "force of law to prohibit other people from living their lives the way they want to."

At the same time, it was the liberal politicians in San Francisco, Chicago, and Boston who did directly threaten to use their power and the force of law to deny Cathy and Chick-fil-A their Constitutionally-protected rights.

Go ahead and support gay marriage. But do it the right way (on the ballots) and try not to bully them or infringe on their rights.

Nan BW
ELder, CO

UtahAzulDiablo,
Good job of saying what needs to be said!

red state pride
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@ a schwa- what's odd about your comment is that the CEO of Chick-Fil-A never even mentioned gays in his comments to a reporter who was btw from a Baptist organization- it wasn't Connie Chung or Anderson Cooper. He simply said that he and his company supported the biblical definition of a family. That's all. The word "gay" or "gay marriage" never came out of his mouth. And the politically correct thought police crowd went berserk.
I just feel bad for the people who were oblivious to all this and had their heart set on a Chick-Fil-A sandwich for lunch today and got there to find they wouldn't have time on their lunch break to deal with the wait.

Abe Sarvis
Cedar City, UT

@teleste -

Cathy (actually all the Cathys, not just Dan - Bubba and Truett, too) uses CFA profits to lobby. That's his right, of course, just as it's the right of anyone to either support or not support their business. But to suggest that the Cathys are not attempting to "use the force of law" to enforce their beliefs is ignoring the facts in regard to how they spend their money. They financially support, and seek to expand, what many see as discriminatory law.

Which is not to say that the others you mentioned are in any way right to use government force against CFA. There's been plenty of mindless bloviating on all sides of the issue.

teleste
Austin, TX

@Abe

I guess the difference I still see between the two sides (in this case anyways) is that even if Cathy is using his money to support "what many see as discriminatory law" he is well within his rights to donate to whatever causes he so desires...just like you said. What he is doing is legal, part of the political discourse in this country, and in his eyes the moral thing to do.

On the other hand, the politicians who threatened him wanted do illegally target his constitutional rights.

That doesn't make this case pot-vs-kettle, it's more like law abiding citizen-gets-targeted.

Wally Ballou
Cedar City, UT

It is particularly sad that our entire national dialogue on the nature of human rights has degenerated to a fight over whether or not to eat a chicken sandwich.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

This action is no different than countless other situations in which the left-wing has done everything it could to silence someone with an opposing viewpoint. Indeed, the left is determined to silence all who oppose it.

The left is out to force same-sex marriage on the public, without giving the public a chance to decide for itself. In fact, the left will not hesitate to use intimidation, threats, or bullying to force this issue.

It is time to stand up to this brand of leftist economic intimidation. Buy all the chicken you can, or watch your freedom of expression be destroyed.

teleste
Austin, TX

@Wally

Or awesome.

In some countries the people just kill each other.

terlds
Ogden, UT

I wanted so badly to support Chick-fil-A, today, but ended up in the ER all day. I was so disappointed. I believe in freedom of choice, even if it means being in a relationship I don't agree with, but I don't feel it should be considered a "marriage". Marriage is between a man and a woman.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Chick-fil-A == American Patriotism. The Mayors of Boston and Chicago == the ugly face of Marxist sensorship . America is at war and today was a chance for liberals to watch American patriotism in action - coast to coast.

rightascension
Provo, UT

The president of Chick-Fil-A is a marketing genius. He states the obvious and then creates a referendum on traditional marriage and free speech that morphs into a day of buying his products as a sign of solidarity.

I hope this is not the start of another red state blue state divide in which the red state traditional family values activities each chicken and the blue state progressive family values activities eat . . . stuffed crepes or Swedish pancakes.

Most Americans will stand in line for games or to buy products, but the most of them will not stand in line to vote even if there is not a line.

LVIS
Salt Lake City, UT

The mayors of San Fran, Chicago, Boston, et al want to ban CFA because of the beliefs of its CEO. A New York City councilwoman wants NYU to sever its contract with CFA, citing "diversity" as the reason, saying New York prides itself on being the most diverse city in the world. Seriously? Will they want to ban churches that hold to a traditional view of marriage next? Are they willing to marginalize anyone that thinks differently than they do, all in the name of diversity, inclusiveness, and tolerance? These politicians have no idea what hypocrisy mean--nor what the constitution stands for. The debate can go on all day between people of opposing viewpoints, but when government officials seek to control the licensing process because of the way someone thinks (and legally puts their money), we have failed as a nation. When will the thought police be knocking on our doors?

A1994
Centerville, UT

The mayors of Chicago and Boston should be impeached for threatening a private business owner who was exercising his first amendment right. If you support gay marriage and don't like his stance, then don't go the restaurant. But there is a disturbing trend on the part of the American Left (I don't call them liberals anymore because they aren't liberal, they are totalitarian) to limit certain speech and actions that are basic American freedoms. This 'protest' today was a great thing.

Lbone
Salt Lake City, UT

Enjoyed a wonderful evening in a jam-packed Chick-fil-A in So. Jordan. Dan Cathy has every right to express his First Amendment freedom of speech rights without being punished for it.

silo
Sandy, UT

"It is time to stand up to this brand of leftist economic intimidation." - John Charity Spring

JCS - what is it that prevents some people from seeing the hypocrisy of their own statements? Is it that those people only research and repeat information that supports their own viewpoint?

In 2003, the Dixie Chicks faced a boycott by radio stations and saw their CD's destroyed in protest for simply exercising their rights to freedom of speech. Those protests were conservatives trying to exercise 'economic intimidation'.

In 2008, the founder of Cooper firearms donated money to the Obama campaign. For that 'atrocity', conservatives called for a boycott of his company. He stepped down as president to try to protect his company and his employees.

There are many, many examples of 'economic intimidation' coming from the conservative side, yet you insist on claiming this in only a 'leftist' issue.

ParkCityAggie
Park City, Ut

more divisiveness - and what is silly is that in a few short years we'll look back on this and shake our heads. Who cares what the owner of this place believes, but when he says it in public, he does open himself up for scrutiny because of his ownership in the company. So we come to find out (if you didn't know) that CFA is a company owned by Evangelical Christians... I wonder what they think of Mormons? Would we be lined up to patronize the business if we pressed him for an answer to my question?

dropout
Logan, UT

If a company's, say Trader Joe's, CEO said in an interview that he believed that Mormonism is a cult and people found out that he and his company donated money to liberal groups that actively campaign against Mormons...would people in Utah be acting the same way? I mean, he has every right to state his opinion right? And anyone that doesn't agree with him or doesn't want to financially support his view would have every right to boycott him and his business right? I mean he isn't actively discriminating anyone. And if the Provo and SLC mayors came out and said that if you don't like Mormons, maybe you shouldn't bring your business to their cities they would just be supporting the view point of their constituents right? I mean the majority of the populations in those cities are Mormon or Mormon friendly. Do you see where I am going with this?

Springvillepoet
Springville, UT

As a private business owner, the right to free speech is still the same as any individual. The owner(s) are allowed to say anything they want in support of his/their beliefs. They can donate their money to whatever cause they choose.

As an individual, I have the right, as a participant in a free market economy, to support or boycott any business I choose, for whatever reasons I want. Nobody can tell me I am infringing upon his First Amendment rights while doing so.

As elected officials, who are in charge of contracts and the like, mayors can, if they choose, interpret the 14th Amendment (and various civil rights legislation) to determine Chick-Fil-A's stance as being discriminatory and therefore not allowed to compete for, or receive funding from local government agencies. Don't like it? Elect a new Mayor.

Do you remember when the first "Coon" Chicken opened? It was in Salt Lake City in 1925. Do you still see it around? No. Chick-Fil-A is not the same thing, but it is viewed by some as analogous. Let the Free Market decide. Isn't that how it should be dealt with?

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