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Disputed new swing states poll gives President Obama edge

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  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    Polls can be valid but I would suggest this is not a valid poll as there is nothing solid to pin the data on. If they are disputed and new states, then the statistical information is few a far between. The Chicago group will come someone whose numbers support their candidate. The President is out with his own campaign advertisements about 90 days earlier than any other in-office President as he knows his numbers are solid, as last time, when he snuffed Hilliary Clinton out of the race and went on his Hope and Change campaign. His economic policies have failed with the Secretary of the Treasury who can't even figure out his own taxes. Geithner is a puppet and knows how to repeat what he is told to say. We have been waiting for 3 1/2 years for a policy and an Obama Budget to get through the process on his own. If people want to have more of the same from this President, we will be deeper in debt and the middle class will be thrown into the pond without a paddle nor a life-preserver. Hope for a change is what we want.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    Disputed Poll Results = The poll didn't show the numbers we wanted it to.

    Nothing new here. If a poll shows Mitt close or on top, it's a sign of the tide turning, a hint of his chances to be President.

    If a poll shows the President in the lead, which the vast majority of polls are currently showing, they are biased and should be discounted.

    Funny thing was those same biased polls all showed Obama with a 5-6 point lead running up to the 2008 election. He ended up winning by 7.2%. Guess they weren't really that biased after all.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 7:11 a.m.

    Earlier this week, Romney declared he'd let a renewable energy tax incentive expire while campaigning in Iowa -- another major gaffe in a state that gets over 20 percent of its electricity from wind energy, and wind is a significant part of the state's overall economy benefiting farmers (land leases) and manufacturing in the region.

    He said this, obviously, to appeal to his right-wing, Koch-financed base, but all it has done is spark criticisms from GOP governors and congressional members where wind is booming in their states -- from Iowa, Texas, Kansas, and Colorado.

    Romney has essentially lost Colorado given that the battleground state has several wind turbine manufacturers, and the loss of the tax credit will hurt future wind development and jobs.

    What Romney hasn't figured out yet is that fossil fuels and nuclear have enjoyed massive federal subsidies for decades (for drilling, pipelines, ports for oil imports, maintaining of nuke waste, etc.) -- and Romney hasn't announced any plans to eliminate any of those subsidies... I guess the GOP's "all the above strategy" is really a smoke screen for keeping America addicted to oil, coal, nuclear, and gas.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Aug. 2, 2012 1:19 a.m.

    As they say, "Figures don't lie, but LIARS do figure."

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 2, 2012 12:13 a.m.

    Roland Kayser
    Cottonwood Heights, UT,

    We the employer need to see the employee's transcript.

    The chick-fil-a poll puts Romney in the lead.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 12:00 a.m.

    To A1994: Obama has indeed released 10 years of tax returns. NO presidential candidate has ever released college transcripts, so that is not an issue. Bush Jr.'s were leaked, which is not the same thing.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 10:53 p.m.

    The numbers don't make sense. No other poll has numbers even close to this for any of those states. As far as Romney releasing his taxes for the last 10 years, why? Did Obama release 10 years of his taxes? I know he has never released his college transcripts.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 8:28 p.m.

    How about next time you write an article with several polls that cover the political spectrum.

    Other sites have Penn, Ohio and Florida as tossups.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 6:48 p.m.

    Social security and health care for all is being targeted by republicans so this polling makes sense. Republicans are more likely to direct money towards tax cuts for the wealthy and the military.

    I am very pro national defense but if we back on our military we are less likely to jump into I'll concieved wars because we won't delude ourselves that victory will be so easy.

    Our money is better spent paying down the debt for now.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    I still wonder why so many people are willing to vote for somebody who has proven to be a failure in dealing with the economy, especially since that is the key issue.

  • dogchow1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    The concept here is to be accurate. Not to be something you believe in with your feelings or bias or to be led to believe because of misleading data. Garbage in garbage out.
    That's the difference.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    "...conservative skeptics were quick to point out that the polls...may be highly unrealistic...".

    I, too, only believe in polls that support my bias.

    Don't we all?

  • dogchow1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 4:31 p.m.

    Oversampling?
    No different than push-polling to achieve desired results.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 3:32 p.m.

    re:atl134

    Your memory is a bit fuzzy I'm afraid. I recall Nancy Pelosi "laughing" at the notion of losing her speakership. Remember that?? Also - please don't pretend to suggest that the GOP landslide was foreseen by your dem's and liberal media - It WASN'T!. I still remember the 'shock factor' from Obama after the results rolled in as well as the 'silent' Obama media.

    finally - Chick-Fil-A is most certainly a mood indicator for your rainbow pres!!!!

  • JP Chandler, AZ
    Aug. 1, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    @ECR and others:
    Facts are facts, regardless of who first reported them. Check them for yourself if you'd like. This poll is only valid if Democrats are far more likely to vote than they were in 2008 and Republicans even less so than in 2008. Does anyone see that happening?

  • KD Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    The major media outlets in this country are left, no doubt about it. I quit believing polls. I quit reading articles that praise one politician and slam another. As you read articles or hear reports from any media outlet whose articles are consistently positive toward one candidate and negative toward the other, then it is time to walk away. When the Salt Lake Tribune endorsed Pres. Obama, I said then and there I would never subscribe to that newspaper. Not that I cared who they endorsed and not because of the candidate they endorsed, but because I knew that no one running against him would get a fair shot from them. The media needs to report the news and stay out of politician endorsement.The polls that are out now are of no real significance supporting either side. The only time they will mean anything will be after election day. Up until then I pay no heed to media propaganda.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 2:38 p.m.

    @patriot
    "I remember before the 2010 mid-terms the Obama media (CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC) all predicted democrat victories nation wide"

    I remember that the Democrats were predicted to lose the house and possibly lose the senate. The house projection underestimated how much they lost by about a dozen or so seats and the senate projections were pretty much right on, that Republicans failed to take the senate because they ran some fringe candidates like O'Donnell and Angle. As far as I'm concerned, you're questioning projections that I don't think were made by any sizable number of people/organizations/networks.

    "If you want to see the real mood of the country check out the support for Chick-fil-A."

    Yeah I get it, a lot of people don't like gay people. That doesn't tell me much...

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    The top one half of one percent can only vote once for their tax breaks. If Governor Romney did not pay any taxes for some years, he can get 80percent of the super wealthy.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    Hey, thanks Mitt!
    You and your staff keep up your great, goofy work!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    I remember before the 2010 mid-terms the Obama media (CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC) all predicted democrat victories nation wide and all the polls show tight races with the democrat candidate slightly ahead for the most part.... and then came the actual election which ended up a GOP landslide. So much for polls...

    If you want to see the real mood of the country check out the support for Chick-fil-A. This support translates into an ANGRY public against democrats and liberal policy ... especially Obama... or as Newsweek showed on its silly cover "saint Obama".

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Aug. 1, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    This article reminds me of the scene from Citizen Kane. Kane's newspaper prepares two headlines for his run for Governor. The first says "KANE ELECTED", the second says "FRAUD AT POLLS."

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Aug. 1, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    Mountainman - Jim Geraghty of the National Review is not really the "Fair and Balanced" source you are looking for, is he? It is stunning how quickly the Deseret News and Mr. Shultz have responded to this news as a "disputed poll". It seems that when a poll is taken from likely voters, like this one was, instead of a poll taken of just registered to vote, it should be more accurate. But, of course, after long search the DN has managed to scrounge up some commenter who will dispute anything that favors Obama. Mr. Romney would do well to come clean with the contents of his tax returns over the past ten years and maybe some folks who now doubt him will turn their opinion. Or maybe not.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    Republicans find this sort of turnout estimate to be unreasonable because it doesn't account for their strong voter suppression efforts targeting blacks and hispanics through modern-era poll taxes.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 1, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    “So these are some really heavily Democrat samples." In other words, this poll is worthless!