Being #2 in the PAC 12 ought to be the realistic goal(ROSE BOWL). It is plain
and simple, but most sobbering fact that USC is head and shoulders above Utah.
Now Utah picked up a nice recruit this week and USC picked up a star! Silas Redd
RB Penn St 1200 yards rushing in the BIG 10. A better conference than the Pack
12. USC is loaded with talent. Utah is loaded with hope! As for Ute fans panning
BYU about its schedule. Remember this, they started with WAC games as a
transition, but they are getting the pick of teams now. The Pac12 has some good
teams and some weak ones too. It appears BYu is putting together an interesting
assortment of teams that if beaten will be respect earning wins. Just as if Utah
can take down a Oregon or USC. After that it will drop off some this year again.
Welcome to Utah Uaea!Can't wait to see you tearing it up on
phantomblade,no disrespect to BYU's 2013 schedule was
intended... it's quite an upgrade over 2012 and will make Saturdays more
fun. I simply made a typo and meant to say 2012 (not 2013) which may have
confused thingsThe overall point was to provide balanced feedback on
cougfantx who claims the PAC12 is inferior to the BIG12 and BIG10.
duck,I figured you, of all people, knew that 2012 is the year Utah
plays N. Colorado and BYU plays Weber, Idaho, San Jose State and New Mexico
State. My bad
@CougFaninTXUntil a couple other teams Rise Up from the South
Division, Utah's schedule will not be stellar. Utah's schedule is a
lot like it was in the MWC, win two or three key games and U could have a shot
at the Rose Bowl.----------Yes sure it is..."While the grind of Pac-12 play is far different than the Mountain West
Conference, it's clear that Utah can compete in the Pac-12. They figure to
be a long-term fixture in the South Division race." -- Ted Miller (ESPN)Speaking of Big Ten's "superior schedule" Utah's 2011
SOS (49) was on par with #10 Wisconsin (43) and #12 Michigan (40).Maybe you should rethink your opinion by doing some research.
Phantom, my post was in response to cougfantx who was knocking
utah's PAC12 schedule. Look at his post and then my response.... then you
will get it. I'm not knocking BYUs future schedule (2013 & beyond).
In fact I think the Y has a very strong schedule after this season... and
I'm looking forward to it because it will make Saturdays more fun. The real intent of my post was to provide a little balanced feedback to
cougfantx who believes the PAC12 is weaker than the BIG12 and BIG10 and
duckhunter who believes that ONLY utah fans are hypocritical.
CougFaninTX,You said, " Utah's schedule is a lot like it
was in the MWC."Sorry, Bud, I'm gonna call you on this.
Let's compare Utah's 2010 MWC schedule with Sagarin's rankings
with their 2011 inaugural Pac-12 schedule. Here's how the teams ranked,
top to bottom:TCU - 4, SDSU - 34, AFA - 37, BYU - 45, Wyo - 108, CSU
- 130, UNLV - 131, UNM - 170USC - 12, Cal - 38, ASU - 41, UW - 44,
Ariz - 64, UCLA - 66, WSU - 83, OSU - 87, CU - 107So, the top half
of the two schedules are very similar in their difficulty. But there is a HUGE
difference between the bottom halves of the schedules. Claiming that the two
are "a lot alike" is silly.Utah and BYU have both moved on.
Utah's Pac-12 membership will guarantee a more challenging schedule each
year for the Utes, and it looks like BYU is committed to finding tougher
opponents to face than the MWC delivered each year. I look forward to seeing
how both programs hold up when tested week after week.
This can't be true.Bronco has never lost a recruit to Utah.
@u 90No I didn't know what you meant the 1st time, utah
"fans" have been making the sjsu, nmsu, wsu st, claim for two years even
though they know it was only a stop gap measure to fill the 1st couple of years.
None of those teams exist on BYU's really good 2013 schedule which is
evidence that Holmoe was right, and utah "fans" were wrong, all
along.So are you trying to say that false claims by utah
"fans" about BYU's future schedules do not exist and I had no
reason to think you actually knew what you were posting?
U 90Utah fans who continue harp on BYU's 2011 and 2012
schedules as examples of BYU's future Independent schedules are either
ignorant or intentionally misrepresenting BYU's future schedules.As everyone knows, major college football schedules are created years in
advance.Tom Holmoe stated right after BYU Independence was declared,
that because of the short-term scheduling crunch, WAC teams would be heavily
used to replace the MWC opponents on BYU's 2011 and 2012 schedules.
However, he promised that BYU's schedule would improve dramatically
beginning in year 3 of Independence, which it has.As for 2012, it
remains to be seen whether Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Boise State, Utah, Hawaii,
Washington State, Oregon State and Utah State turn out to be easier or more
difficult as a group, than the top 8 opponents Utah plays in 2012. It's a given that BYU won't be playing any opponents nearly as
pathetic as Northern Colorado.
duck,good catch, I hit the wrong key. Let me re-state without the
typoUtah's 2012 schedule does not include Weber St., Idaho, San
Jose State and New Mexico State. Even though I know you understood
my post the first time I don't mind calling out cougar fan hypocrisy for
you a second time since you seem very interested in that topic today
Duck,At least not yet, is there not some open spots? Three or four?
@u 90"However, it does NOT include Weber St., Idaho, San Jose
State and New Mexico State :)"Neither does BYU's :)
"Utah fans are delusional if they think that BYU fans are "envious"
of Utah's PAC 12 schedule for 2013, when BYU's 2013 schedule features
home games against Boise State, Georgia Tech, Texas, and Utah, and away games at
Hawaii, Houston, Notre Dame, Utah State, and Wisconsin."The best
thing about BYU's 2013 schedule is has ended the "BYU to the Big
12" delusionsal talk. Fans have calmed down and are accepting independence.
Its a nice schedule -- certainly better than what they had in the MWC -- not
quite a BCS conference schedule, but still nice.
CougfanTX,You're correct, Utah's schedule 2013 includes N.
Colorado, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, Oregon State and Washington
St? However, it does NOT include Weber St., Idaho, San Jose State and New
Mexico State :)The PAC12 is certainly not the toughest
conference.... the SEC is. But according to Sagarin the PAC12 over the last 5
years has ranked, 4th, 1st, 3rd, 4th, 2nd. Forty percent of the time they have
been the number #1 or #2 conference. Not a world-beater conference, but
certainly very similar rankings to the BIG12 and BIG10 over the past 5 years.
To start, I am a HUGE Utah fan but attending at BYU. I love that the last couple
of recruits have talked about how welcome they feel at Utah. I can't
remember his name, but the recruit before out of Texas talked about feeling like
family at Utah and that he didn't get that same feeling at BYU. These
players aren't just making stuff up for the news, it's real. The
football players wear the band of brothers shirts, as well as students, and yet
when it comes time to show that brotherhood, they turn away and are hypocrites.
Everything is competition at BYU and it's all about inclusion at Utah. I am
glad that the players see that and chose Utah. Go Utes!
Dutchman"You guys would love to be playing in the PAC 12 and
playing that schedule that you mock."It's laughable how
Utah fans constantly belittled EVERY PAC 10 opponent BYU played in recent years
as mediocre or worse, but now that the Utes are in the PAC 12, EVERY PAC 12
opponent is "stellar".The hypocrisy and inconsistency of the
labels used by the kids on the hill is hysterical... and pathetic.Moving forward, Utah fans are delusional if they think that BYU fans are
"envious" of Utah's PAC 12 schedule for 2013, when BYU's 2013
schedule features home games against Boise State, Georgia Tech, Texas, and Utah,
and away games at Hawaii, Houston, Notre Dame, Utah State, and Wisconsin.
@dutchmanIf Troy Hinds was "always going to be a Cougar"
then why did utah offer him a scholarship?Because he is good, and
instate, just like Masina is. What an ill thought comment.
CougFaninTX,2012---Washington State 30--BYU 7.You guys
would love to be playing in the PAC 12 and playing that schedule that you mock.
It turns out BYU tried for decades to get an invite to the now PAC 12 and it
never came. Now you treat the PAC 12 as if you were never interested. Funny.
@DutchmanBrighton linebacker Uaea Masina was tempted by the offers from
BYU and San Diego State, but in the end it was his love of Utah football that
won out as the 6-foot-4, 210-pound Masina committed to the Utes on Sunday.this quote came from the sltrib so was it going to be any other way.Good
get for the Utes
Max-was-wrong,If the kid was always going to be a Ute as you claim,
then why did BYU even bother to offer him a scholarship? Are you suggesting
that Bronco is deliberately wasting his time and energy?
"Playing in the Pac-12 and with it a guarantee of a stellar schedule year-in
and year-out was another factor."Does this include Northern
Colorado, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, Oregon State and Washington
State?I don't discredit a PAC12 schedule, but I'm not sure
I would call it stellar at least when comparing to the SEC, BIG10, BIG12,
BYU's future schedule and Utah's announcement to play easier
non-conference opponents.Utah is clearly #2 in a weak South
Division. Until a couple other teams Rise Up from the South Division,
Utah's schedule will not be stellar. Utah's schedule is a lot like it
was in the MWC, win two or three key games and U could have a shot at the Rose
Bowl.Congrats Uaea. I'm glad you're staying to play
"how sad is it for the real Ute fans that are only obsessed with all things
utah?"That would include you, then?
Ha Ha Ha, you ute fans are funny. You get a kid that was always going to be a
ute and all you can do is hint BYU-BYU-BYU...how sad is it for the real Ute fans
that are only obsessed with all things utah? If I were a true Ute fan, I would
hate the fellow ute fans above. I would hope they all start sporting their BYU
gear based on the facts I know where their hearts really are.
"Utah now has 11 commits for the 2013 signing class."Brandon, that's 10 by my count. Do you know something I don't?
Welcome to the Utes Uaea! Time and time again recruits mention the
family atmosphere up on the hill. Kyle and the rest of the coaching staff have
done a great job in creating that. As a poster stated above, Utah is a team and
they play and act as such.Keep it up Utes! I'm looking forward
to a great season.It's a great time to be a Ute and I'm
happy we continue to get top talent from the in state recruits. Go
What does he mean when he says he wants to play great teams each week in a
conference? That stuff should not matter. Right?
Great pickup! He's ranked #5 in State by Rivals.Welcome to the
Ute Nation!Go UTES!!
"Every player and every coach would talk to me and treat me like I was their
equal, and I loved that."Coach Whittingham has put together a
great atmosphere up on the hill. They act like a team, and don't need a
catch phrase t-shirt to show it.
Great get for utah. It was good to win masina over byu