Published: Saturday, July 28 2012 3:00 p.m. MDT
Government banning anything is never a good idea. If you do not want their
product do not buy it. I follow my own advice. I do not smoke so I do not
frequent smoke shops. I do not drink so I do not frequent liquor stores. If I
do not like the show on TV I change the channel. I do not need government
telling me that they will protect me from the "evil" smoke shop,
"evil" TV program, or the "evil" 'larger than 16 ounce soft
"To justify the ban, Centerville has to show a "substantial
relationship" between smoke shops and the public health, safety and welfare,
Romney said."If this is a public health/safety concern why is
Centerville not also targeting fast food restaurants? or convenient stores that
sell mostly unhealthy foods and beverages? This appears that the city council is
targeting a minority population for whom they disagree with their unhealthy but
Who cares if they ban smoke shops. This is a free country, go
live in a community or town or city that supports those shops if that is what
you want.Why does every individual demand that the community support
and allow every desire or whim they have?Let each community, towns,
city, state the have values and character they want. That is beauty of
America.For some reason the "tolerant" and "diverse"
left wants everyone to be forced be the same gray.
@the truthI really think you need to read your own comment again, it is
very self contradictory. this is a "free country" but but
"individuals" should not demand to be treated as if it where? Did you
make this same comment against chick fil a wanting to move into boston? Using
your logic chick fil a should just drop any plans to develop there, right? wrong
people have the right to freedom in both cases sorry.
@the truthSeriously, just the left wants everybody to be forced to
be the same gray? Did you forget about not being able to shop on Sunday in most
towns in Utah? Try buying any type of alcohol on Sunday anywhere outside Salt
Lake County. What about not being able to enjoy life outside of church on
Sunday? Or is that an acceptable shade of gray?
The last time I checked there wasn't such a thing as carcinogens in normal
fast food and there isn't "second-hand smoke" when eating by
downing a burger, fries and a large drink so the comparisons to smoking vs. fast
food are, well, "up in the night." But that's what you'd
expect from people crying that they have "their rights" to an addiction
which causes cancer. Smoking injures others who breathe the fouled air and if
most people were honest they'd admit they started smoking as a teen because
someone convinced them it was "cool" and they wish they could quit now
and that they had never started the filthy habit in the first place.
That's because they're addicted and no, smoking isn't a natural
appetite, although it must be an incredibly short time from from trying to be
cool to becoming hooked and enslaved.......incredibly short with strong cravings
that over-come common sense for decades. Plus, it's deadly!
"Tobacco shops are much more dangerous to a community than a liquor store
is," he said. Oh really? How many deaths and accidents have been attributed
to drunk driving, versus driving under the influence of tobacco? Nicotine
enhances many of the skills required for safe operation of vehicles and
machinery: alertness, visual memory, concentration, and physical reflexes.
Alcohol impairs these abilities. I suspect that if you asked the police
department directly, they would tell you that they have significantly more calls
to handle altercations at establishments that serve alcohol than at a tobacco
If the owners abide by the laws, leave them alone. If they are
caught selling to minors, the license will be revoked. And if I read the
article correctly, the owners will not be able to just sell the business, it
will be forced to close. That should be plenty of incentive to obey the law.
I am disturbed about the smoke shops, myself.
What does it mean to be free? It means to be free from coercion and force
especially from the government.Beware, Centerville. When the
community combines against the individual, or when the community's
government combines against the individual, you have invited tyranny into your
own town enforced by you upon your own neighbors.There is no
evidence that this or any other smoke shop is forcing anyone to consume their
products or defrauding anyone by hiding the nature of their products. If they
were, THEN the government should intervene.Centerville should drop
this issue immediately and then apologize to the smoke shop and to its patrons
for this intimidation.
Kids -- I hope you're reading articles like this. It can help you decide
what you want to be when you grow up. You can expect a VERY lucrative career as
a lawyer as long as there are silly municipalites. A ban of a legal product is
an easy lawsuit, but draw it out so that the city pays more. Remember kids, the
Tenth Circuit Court Of Appeals in Denver is your best friend in striking down
People in Utah smoke? Heaven forfend!This is the same community
that tried to stop Walmart from coming as they thought it would lead to the four
horsemen of the apocalypse. I imagine these townhall meetings look similar to
the the Rockridge townhall meetings from Blazing Saddles. As the town drunk
would say "Revid!" (incoherent for I agree)
This quote rather disturbed me. "If you look at the clientele at tobacco
shops, they're not exactly the best people. They're buying drugs for
crying out loud." I really hope Rep. Paul Ray of Clearfield is put under a
lot of fire for demonizing smokers. To make a sweeping statement that calls
smokers bad people is both juvenile and alarming.
Utah's nanny state policies are annoying. I grow weary of being told by the
state legislature how I should live my life.
@lost in DC for once I agree with you, If they follow the law leave them
alone if they break the law then they should be prosecuted.
"'If you look at the clientele at tobacco shops, they're not
exactly the best people. They're buying drugs for crying out loud,'
Ray said"Sounds like Rep. Paul Ray is more worried about the
customers who frequent the shop, rather than the actual consequences of tobacco
I wonder what the public reaction would be if the city used the "health and
safety" argument to outlaw gun stores.
You can still buy cigs and lighters in any number of stores in Centerville. What
a bunch of self righteous hypocrites.
Second try since my first comments were deemed "offensive"....
interesting. It would really be interesting to see the justification behind
some of these "declines". Anyway, a law abiding business is
to be banned because it offends community standards? Or the argument that this
is different because the end consumers of these products are causing a health
risk to others. This from the same crowd who believe that business are too
burdened by regulation, and that business know best what is best for their
communities. I would love to see how this rational all plays out. We can allow (and defend) coal powered plants that we know dump tons of heavy
metals into our air causing health issues. ... this all under the umbrella of
preserving free enterprise and low energy cost, plus jobs.Yet we
have a small business that is obviously serving a part of the community else it
wouldn't exist, that has broken no laws, and the "community"
decides this is offensive and wishes to ban such establishments. This from the "freedom" crowd - and yet sounds more like anything
resembling socialism where government decides what business get to exist. This
is big government at the city level.
I am disturbed by a lot of things and I do not care much for smoke shops but
neither one is a justification for outlawing things. .
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