So why all the "blathering" about released Tax returns, what would it
prove if he was found cheating on tax returns. How many americans are willing
to release their tax returns. The IRS is nothing but a collection agency for
the Federal Reserve. Romney has something to offer our country--leadership. He
is wealthy--good for him. He won't be using the Presidency to advance his
personal agenda. Americans under Obama are resentful of successful
people--especially rich ones. He is an American and not Muslim. Obama's
birth certificate, long form, was proven to be a forgery! Why don't we go
after what's really important enforce the constitution and impeach Obama.
Obama will not only go down as the most inept president in history, he will also
be shown as the most corrupt. And that is saying something. After his remarks
about business Monday, how can any thinking person vote for him? I would
compare anyone voting for Obama as a Lemming, willing to follow him off of a
cliff. I always thought Carter was the most inept, but Obama makes Carter look
like a rocket scientist. One member of his administration, Holder
is going to be lucky not going to jail (Obama will for sure pardon him).
LDS Liberal,Just wanted to let you know that those Massachusettes
hospitals have been amazing hospitals for years....long before Romney was
governor of that state. There are plenty of other things you can credit Romney
for, but you really can't credit Romney for making those two hospitals
So, since 90% of all small business fail within 5 years, can those that fail
blame their education system and infrasture for letting them down?
@IMANSo are you saying Obama's policies have helped to
alleviate your pain? It's never been this bad since WW II.@LDS
LiberalMitt Romney was a Stake President. You, of all people, know
the type of men they call to be Stake Presidents. It's okay to say you
have an honest disagreement with Mitt Romney's policies. It is NOT okay to
insinuate, as this administration has done, that Mitt Romney has done something
dishonest, unethical, or illegal. This administration and its
supporters are sounding more like Tommy Flanagan every day. Unemployment has
been OVER 8% for FORTY MONTHS! We already know Romney is an honest man.
Don't talk to me about what he supposedly hid when Tom Dashel and Tim
Geitner actually DID hide their taxes! It's nonsense like this that is
going to help Romney win in a landslide in November.
I was reading the other day - The Top 10 Best Hospitals in America.2 out of the top 10 = Massachusetts.And all because of
RomneyCare.Mitt Romney's greatest accomplishment.And the
sad irony is, he's now basing his entire U.S. Presidential campaign
on repealing it for ALL Americans.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a
great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody
invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you
didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet
didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet
so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The
point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual
initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just
like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody
had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting
fires. - Straight from the press office as recorded on whitehouse.gov. He does a
pretty good job of trying to take his foot out of his mouth but fails to mention
that the taxes from Americans helped the government fund those very things
he's talkin' about. Basically a circular foot in mouth debacle.
I got to thinking last night --- Mitt Romney has been running for
POTUS for over 6 years now.You’d think he would’ve been smart
enough before even THEN to know this whole tax disclosure things was going to
come up…I mean, his Father George Romney was the 1st one to start
this tradition when he ran for office.
Those of us who have been the victims of Mr. Romney's policies (&
policies from those aligned with his ideology) have found them to be quite
OFFENSIVE for quite some time now.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent. ~
John DonnePres. Obama 1, Mitt Romney 0
Mitt Romney has done the right thing in counterattacking Obama.He should not
release anymore tax returns because it will be all that Obama's campaign
will dwell on and distort.Honestly, I'm very surprized that so many
liberals who support Obama post on this site. Utah has a contingent of very
Are businesses for or against the government? Most sucessful businesses resent
the government intrusion of taxes, yet they hire government educated employees,
who drive on gov't roads, protected by government police etc. etc.One of the best loved presidents of recent years was Ron Reagan yet he had
zero business experience, he did know how to wow an audience though.Mitts experience as governor was abysmal in that he did not even attempt a 2nd
term, instituted new user fess throughout the state and left it in no better
shape than when he went in.Pres Obama has learned that it does not
matter what you want, the job of president is more about getting two sides to
agree so there can be progress. Mitt has spent last 4 years tearing down the
opposition so he has soured the playground and will not make any moe headway
than Obama.Currently USA is hurting financially, with Mitts economic
program the country will go another 1.2 trillion in the hole (estimate by his
own advisors). How is that helping us financially?Taking of the
gloves, tax records, birth certificate, jobs. All fluff, fix the the
economy.Both should be embarassed.
@atl134Dems had two full years to fix the economy. They owned this
country. How did that work for you? It didn't work for anyone. Done. So,
so, very done. You had your chance. You blew it. Not only did he dig a bigger
hole, he force fed socialized medicine down at gagging citizenry. Nope,
you're done. You blew it. End of story.
Since those who don't work hard enough to make a successful income have the
same advantage of the infrastructure (roads, bridges, etc.) our taxes have
built, as those who work hard and smart enough to be successful, why should the
successful be penalized with higher taxes to make up for those who just loaf or
just want to get by?Do we really want to say: "Work hard enough
to be successful and we'll penalize you to pay the way for those who
don't want to work hard, are lazy, or don't want to work at all?"
@lqqkActually, it's a little known fact, but when the original
colonists came to America, there was actually several government agencies set up
to make cobblestone streets and provide subsidies for 'green' candle
makers. How do you think America was built? They didn't do that alone!Does ANYBODY really, truly still think Barack Obama has any clue about
how an economy works? He hasn't met with his 'jobs council' in
SIX months!! The Democrats have completely given up on the economy. They have
NOTHING to offer. He's doing exactly what he campaigned against 4 years
ago. What a hypocrite.
Absolutely Mitt is catering to the rich company fat cats by giving them tax
breaks so they can hire a bunch of unemployed workers to make themselves richer.
Can you believe the gall of it all. Get with the program, companies need workers
to produce. The successful companies get richer, hire more workers and expand
their operations. It's the American way.
DN says "Mitt Romney drops gloves, goes on offense" as if he hasn't
been for two years.
The tax payers pay for roads and bridges. The businesses and small business
provide employment and therefore a tax base to pay for roads and bridges.
Anytime you think business don't pay their fair share, you don't have
a clue. You probably are an employee who's employer payes matching taxes.
Therefore being in business and paying matching taxes, I would say that
employers pay more than their fair share of taxes. If we all worked for the
government, who would pay for the roads and bridges? You? Nope, The
government, but it would be held out of your check. Mitt has released all that
was legally required of tax returns. The rest is none of our business.
I think it is also important to remember that those roads, those bridges are
built from money that is extracted from successful businesses via taxation.
Sometimes I wonder if our leaders don't have the idea that
'government' money magically appears in the basement of the national
mints. All they have to do is flip a switch and presto - money! That would
explain why there is so much debt.Every time a business is built,
the government runs in with appraisers to determine the impact on the community
so they can know what to extract from that business by way of fees, permits and
then regular taxes to install and/or up grade the infrastructure. Those
individuals who built a successful business may have had good education and lots
of pats on the back, but they took the risks, they burned the midnight oil and
they built the business. It would seem that the unsuccessful businesses, i.e.
Solyndra got created their business with the help of government and the others
that the President is talking about.
re;old cougarPrivate equity firms look for under-performing companies, not
companies to rescue. Their primary focus is making money for their investors.
If a private-equity firm wants to make money, it has to improve the
value of the companies it buys. Sometimes the improvement may be more cosmetic
than real, but historically private-equity firms have in principle had a
powerful incentive to make companies perform better. In the past decade, though,
that calculus changed. Having already piled companies high with debt in order to
buy them, many private-equity funds had their companies borrow even more, and
then used that money to pay themselves huge “special dividends.”
This allowed them to recoup their initial investment while keeping the same
ownership stake. Before 2000, big special dividends were not that common. But
between 2003 and 2007 private-equity funds took more than seventy billion
dollars out of their companies. These dividends created no economic
value—they just redistributed money from the company to the private-equity
I'm so amazed at all the people who have no idea how companies like Bain
work. It's rather simple: They look for companies that are struggling. They
determine whether an influx of capital and sound business consulting could help
them succeed. They take action. Sometimes the action needed is to downsize a
company. For explanation's sake, they may reduce FTE's from 1000 to
300. The company succeeds, returns to profitability. Bain profits from their
work and the company grows and thrives. Had Bain not intervened, the company
would have failed and all 100 people would have lost their jobs. So, while the
numbers seem to say that Bain fired 700 people, they actually saved 300+ jobs.
It doesn't always work that way, but most of the time, under Romney's
leadership, it did work out for the best. Is that so hard to see? Where's
the greed? Where's the felony? Where's the evil? And how many of you
forego opportunities to legally protect your capital from taxes? Or, do you pay
more than the law requires so you can feel patriotic and pious?
In 2002:Romney had to have established permanent residency in
Massachusetts for the seven years prior to running for office, but Romney had
spent the previous three years in Utah, running the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.
According to a 2002, Boston Globe article, Romney filed tax returns listing Utah
as his primary residence, but maintained "official residence" in
Belmont, Mass.In May, questions about his residency status started
to pick up, and gained steam when it was revealed that he paid property taxes in
Utah from 1999-2001, and he received a huge discount as a result.By
listing Utah as his primary residence, he saved a total of $54,000 in taxes on
the home he owned in Utah, according to a Boston Globe investigation in 2002.
That's because in Utah, non-residents pay taxes on 100 percent of the
assessed value of their homes, while residents only pay taxes on 55 percent.
(often property taxes are a matter of public record). It
doesn't appear as if Romney's personal tax records have ever been made
public, except for 2010.
A Reuters-Ipsos poll taken June 19-23 found that: Eighty percent of
Republicans (and 75 percent of independents) favor "creating an insurance
pool where small businesses and uninsured have access to insurance exchanges to
take advantage of large group pricing benefits."Fifty-seven
percent of Republicans (and 67 percent of independents) support "providing
subsidies on a sliding scale to aid individuals and families who cannot afford
health insurance."Fifty-four percent of Republicans (and 75
percent of independents) favor "requiring companies with more than 50
employees to provide insurance for their employees."Fifty-two
percent of Republicans (and 69 percent of independents) favor "allowing
children to stay on parents insurance until age 26."Seventy-eight percent of Republicans (and 82 percent of independents) support
"banning insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing
conditions";86 percent of Republicans (and 87 percent of
independents) favor "banning insurance companies from cancelling policies
because a person becomes ill."(Pittsburgh Post-Gazette 2012)In other words, Republicans favor Obamacare.
If Romney's taxes were an issue, the IRS would have been all over it
You are struggling Truthseeker, you are struggling!----It's amazing to see Americans denigrate the success of someone while
applauding someone who has done absolutely NOTHING in his life. Obama is all
theory and no practical experience. No wonder his "jobs group"
hasn't met in 6 months. He has no idea how to create the environment for
business to succeed since he has never, ever done it in his life.Get
out of the way Obama and let Americans do what they do best --- invent, create,
solve problems and fulfill the needs of others!
Jim in Mesa, you're right about the need to focus on policy and principle.
Then, in most true, liberty loving American's minds, obama would fall flat
on his face. Pray enough people are educated enough about the principles of
liberty to realize the dismantling of our Constitution occurring under
Sununu, keep telling the truth about obama, and quit apologizing for it. The
truth hurts only the guilty. Obama's a big boy and needs to learn to
answer to the people for his behavior as president, w/o hiding behind a media
that doesn't hold him accountable.
Considering that the only thing BO will be remembered for is being the guy who
gave America the largest national debt in the known world’s history, what
else does he have to run on? He knows full well that his opponent is a
wealthy businessman and he is going to exploit that any which way he can. There
are always going to be successful entrepreneurial people who have amassed a
considerable wealth and fame and/or notoriety, and there are always going to be
those who want to be a crab bucket and tear the achievers down in a futile
effort to feel better—never mind that many of them gobble up their
products inventions and services as much as the next guy. If all BO has to
campaign with is stirring up class envy and innuendo, that doesn’t say
much. And to insinuate that wealthy is always evil is profoundly misinformed.
Many of these” evil” entrepreneurs spearhead charitable
organizations, and what they get done runs circles around government programs.
What’s so bad about that? But unfortunately, this becomes obfuscated when
the class envy sentiments get stirred up.
Eighty percent of Republicans (and 75 percent of independents) favor
"creating an insurance pool where small businesses and uninsured have access
to insurance exchanges to take advantage of large group pricing
benefits."• Fifty-seven percent of Republicans (and 67
percent of independents) support "providing subsidies on a sliding scale to
aid individuals and families who cannot afford health insurance."• Fifty-four percent of Republicans (and 75 percent of independents)
favor "requiring companies with more than 50 employees to provide insurance
for their employees."• Fifty-two percent of Republicans
(and 69 percent of independents) favor "allowing children to stay on parents
insurance until age 26."• Seventy-eight percent of
Republicans (and 82 percent of independents) support "banning insurance
companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions"; 86 percent of
Republicans (and 87 percent of independents) favor "banning insurance
companies from cancelling policies because a person becomes ill."(Pittsburgh Post-Gazette July 2012)In other words, Republicans
If you've read the book "Outliers" by Malcomb Gladwell, it's
easy to dismiss Romney's comment about Steve Jobs or Bill Gates building
their companies. Sure, they are visionaries but they were in the right place at
the right time and we able to surround themselves with the right people who BTW
were the ones that did the actual building and creating. The same goes with Ford
or any other number of individuals who get credit for building a company. They
just happened to be lucky as well as in the right place at the right time with
the right stuff and the right employees who ultimately built the company. Contrast that with Romney who bought companies, got rid of employees,
then resold the downsized companies. He didn't build anything but got rid
of those that did because their previous owners didn't want to disrupt the
lives of those who actually did the work. As for Obama and the
comment about his drug use. At least he told us what he did when he was young
and we are only using his own words. Romney won't tell us anything about
his taxes or finances.
Everyone who is complaining about Obama's remark (including Romney) should
go and read the whole thing. It is obvious that Obama's full remarks refer
to the people who build businesses not building the infrastructure that made
that business possible. People who build interstate trucking companies can only
do it because the government has built the roads, etc. Romney is too smart to
not know what Obama actually said, in the full quote. He is intentionally
distorting what Obama said (by omission of the full quote) in order to score
cheap points.The whole point of this is to take the pressure off of
the many calls for Romney to release his tax returns. I am convinced that he
has something to hide there. Why else would he be so reluctant to do what every
other presidential candidate (including his father) has done? Something smells
very fishy here.
Both Romney's and Obama's "claims" (distorted, I hope) are
incorrect. You've no doubt heard the phrase: It takes a village to raise a
child.Well, if "corporations are people", then it took a
village to raise a corporation. Taking full credit is wrong. Vicariously
claiming the child's success makes the "parent" look selfish in the
eyes of the rest of the village. The patriarch (who feels diminished) and the
mother ... the one doing the myriad small things (who feels ignored) and
Let's not forget the neighbors (customers) in this picture too. They feel
exploited when viewed as a commodity.
The American Dream is dying. What makes this country great is fading. Our
Constitution is hanging by a thread.
I don't know why Sununu felt any obligation to apologize. Obama WAS in
Hawaii smoking something and, in his own words, using "a little blow."
How this country ever got to the point where a person with such a history could
be elected president is beyond me. It is a sad state of affairs.
Glen In the Bronx,I find it curious that you have concerns about
Romney's tax returns and we know virtually nothing about Obama's whole
life. How about this, Romney brings 10 years of tax returns and Obama provides
transcripts of his grades at Occidental, Columbia and Harvard and records of his
real estate transaction with Tony"The Felon" Rezco. Sounds like a fair
deal to me, however Obama would NEVER agree to releasing any of his past
Truth Seeker @ 3:37PM -- Let's take a look at PolitiFact -- In January
2012, commentators such as Rachel Maddow and Daily Kos criticized PolitiFact for
rating a statement in President Obama's State of the Union address about
private sector job growth as "Half True"...in response to the criticism
PolitiFact altered their rating to "Mostly True", which was criticized
as still being inaccurate. Would lead me to question how accurate their ratings
really are, especially since their "Lies of the Year" were from Repubs
in 2009 and 2010. To balance the books, so to speak, they chose a Dem's
statement for 2011. And then, sometimes the President has made statements that
are tough to rate -- "The TARP saved or created 2 million jobs".
PolitiFact rated that as "Half True" 'cause they estimated the
number was only 1 million. They were criticized because such a number is hard to
prove. Lastly, this Administration claims that 4+ million have been created
since 2008. That number includes temporary jobs (census takers) that no longer
exist. Is that number claimed a true statement? Certainly, but is it really a
truth when the other half of the picture is not painted?
I really don't know this, but how many years of tax returns did Obama
produce? The one I remember is where he and his wife are multimillionaires and
the liberal media was praising them to high heaven for doing so well. What
difference does it make if Romney produces his tax records for the past 10
years? Even the IRS only requires 7 years. The point is, Romney may not be
perfect, but he has not damaged America as Obama has. Obama is selling out the
middle class, the upper class and is hoping everyone will be in the lower and
poor class so the government can support them. Thus, many people will be
dependent on the government and the American individuality and free spirit will
become nonexistent. This is Socialism, pure and simple and it’s already
starting. The Government controls by not allowing free enterprise to thrive or
even exist by charging prohibitive taxes and implementing unreasonable
regulations. Small business is suffering or going out of business.People, instead of supporting Romney, who has the know how to get America out
of the Obamamess why in the world are we supporting Obama? Just makes no sense.
Article reader, there certainly were roads. Steve Jobs wouldn't have
gotten anywhere without the internet infrastructure built by the government.
The power grid helped. Can't use a computer when the lights are out.But it's easier to take a statement out of context than actually
defend any policies that your candidate has proposed. He's against alot.
He isn't for anything except helping himself and his uber-rich friends at
the expense of the middle class.No thanks Mitt.
I was on a plane a month ago and the guy next to me starts talking about
ObamaCare and what a godsend it is. Now I have a number of small businesses, and
a few large corporations as clients and they all complain bitterly about the
loss of jobs OC will cost, and the millions of jobs already lost because of the
policies of this administration. So I asked him: do the benefits of OC outweigh
the massive job and profit loss? He said: "What do I care, I just want
better health insurance?" So naturally I asked him what he does for work.
His answer: "Work? I put my time in, now the government can pay me." He
was 48 years old. Unemployed. Living on government handouts. (and he was white)
Everytime someone praises ObamaCare, Obama policies, Obama entitlements, I think
of that guy.
Will Mitt drop the the cover-up about his taxes? Even his dad was more
re:Steven HarperHA! Spoken like a true MSNBC watcher!!! Holy cow -
I'm not sure where to even start with your comment. As I commented before -
this election is really about socialism vs capitalism. Your "compelling"
socialist president isn't so compelling to most Americans - at least those
who have even a casual understanding of American history. Make you a deal -
I'll take Mitt along with a Reagan style recovery and you can keep Barack
with his 16 trillion in debt and 8.2% unemployment.... oh and you can
"donate" 75% of your income to uncle Sam - just like socialist Europe!!
re:ParkCityAggie"If you've got a business, you DIDN'T
build that business. Somebody else made that happen". So which part of that
quote from your "historic leader" did you not understand? By the way
that frightening comment - straight out the communist think tank - is going
over like a lead balloon with business owners nation wide. In order for Barack
to stick us all with his gigantic tax increases (soon to come) he has to
"attempt" to make us all feel guilty for any and all success we may have
stumbled into in our lives and therefore feel obligated to naturally want to pay
"our fair share" of taxes to our beloved Uncle Sam. My guess is
Barack's next trick is to try to make doctors feel guilty for sticking it
to poor sick people - they ought to just accept some small compensation from our
gracious government instead. Finally - you really ought to at least
"try" some other "real" news station other than MSNBC.
If your taxable income is in excess of $ 250,000 you will pay more taxes when
the George W. Bush "Tax Cuts for the Rich" expire.As I read the
comments in favor of Romney policies, it appears there are far more very rich
people than is reported in the news. If you want to be rewarded for
offshoring jobs from America to China, the Phillipines, etc., vote for Romney.
I really think that the Deseret News should shut down the comment boards on the
Presidential election until November. Being owned by the LDS Church, they
really shouldn't provide a place for comments like the ones I have just
It is going to a long road to November.
Obama hates business owners and success. The American dream is drifting away.
Just finished reading 30+ comments on this thread. My takeaways: Barack
Obama's is the more compelling American narrative. His rise DOES validate
Americans' belief in working hard to succeed. Mitt Romney was born on third
base, by comparison. Mr. Romney's business expertise made him personally
wealthy, but hurt a lot of American workers who lost their jobs, pensions, and
health care. The skills sets of a CEO are not those of the POTUS. Our government
is not a corporation whose goal is to make profits and benefit shareholders. Our
government is purposely three-pronged to make it difficult to get things done.
CEOs have a single vision that is implemented by employees or they lose their
jobs. The POTUS is the leader of a diverse, multicultural country. Again,
advantage President Obama.
I'm sure the President is shaking in his “Nicaraguan made”
boots - also, I love how you can always spot the right-wing-propaganda
listeners/watchers by their comments and "faux" outrage. I wonder why
the "lame-stream" liberal media isn't talking about what Obama says
about small businesses... perhaps it was the selective editing done by Faux-news
et al, to make it sound like he was saying that businesses must rely on the
government LOL If only the “lame-stream media” would jump on the
same selective editing bandwagon and join in on the faux-outrage! Sucker born
every minute indeed.
In Edward Klein's book "The Amateur" he stated, before Romney or
anyone else won the Republican Primary, that Obama's Campaign Managers had
convinced him the only way to win in 2012 was to run a down and dirty smear
campaign against whichever Republican opponent was chosen. He further iterated
that the 2012 election is expected to be one of the nastiest mud-slinging brawls
in history, simply because Obama MUST deflect the discussion from his first-term
record.Anyone voters who gets sucked into the mud wrestling match and ignore the
real issues run the risk of putting an incompetent, left wing socialist back
into the White House and almost guaranteeing America becomes an also-ran country
in four to six years. Wake up America, if Romney is not perfect (and who is?)
with his experience and character he would be 100 times more effective at
running the country and maintaining our sovereignty and world power than Obama.
We need Mitt bad. The other benefit of having Mitt is we get rid of a major
problem at the same time.
re:ute alumni"obama is a pansy. mitt keep blasting his glass
jaw"Apparently name-calling and aggression comply with DN
comment standards. re:floridian"Romney....is not willing
to get in the gutter, or tell lies."Apparently you missed the
comment by dobberdobber (1:50) giving us the politifact tally of Romney's
obama is a pansy. mitt keep blasting his glass jaw
this election is really boiling down to socialism vs capitalism. JFK once said
"Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your
country". Today - the Obama message is the exact opposite .. "ask not
what you can do for your country but what the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT can do for
you". There are workers and the takers in this country - bet you can figure
out the ones who will vote for Barack.
@alt134 - you say: "Businesses operate in the interest of the business
itself, it doesn't care about anyone else."With Bain,
Romney operated in the interest of Bain, and they succeeded wildly. With the
Olympics, Romney operated in the interest of the Olympics, and they succeeded
wildly. With Massachusetts, Romney operated in the interest of Massachusetts -
maybe the record is debatable, but he unquestionably turned their state from an
indebted one into one with financial excess, ended up with about 4.6%
unemployment (that's considered "full employment" by job
statistical measures), and gave the people a health care system they wanted. I
think that's successful, but I know others manufacture failures to
nitpick.Leadership skills are certainly transferable. Everyone who
actually knows Romney characterizes him as a very strong leader.Since 100% of Romney's experience has been to work in the best interest
of whatever he's running, what in Romney's background suggests
he'd suddenly act against the best interests of America? Because he
invested in offshore accounts? Give me a break! Why are you more concerned
about what Romney does with his own money than you are about what Obama is doing
Did Obama fill out a job application when taking office? I'd like to see
his college application, and how he paid for Harvard. He should also account for
the stimulus package, and the hundreds of millions for his tax free vacations.
"If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody
else made that happen. "Well - the other shoe finally fell for
all to see ... and hear ... and spoken like a true socialist. Barack just
couldn't help himself - that is his wealth redistribution passion and
straight out of the communist manifesto. I find it really funny - but
predictable - how all of Barack's disciples are now trying ever so hard to
"explain" away his words and tell us all that he really didn't mean
to make those shocking comments. So what's the point of
Barack's shocking words - that the government is responsible for all and
any success me may have had in our lives and we should be ashamed of even
thinking it was us who built that business - our genius , our initiative, our
hard work, our sacrifice , our blood-sweat-and-tears. Oh no it couldn't be
"just us" it had to be because of the government. So you see
people - because the government did everything for us then naturally we all OWE
the government more taxes. Ah Ha!!! The real motivation for Barack's speech
- to justify more taxes.
As to the you didn't get there alone crowd. Well actually they did, the
welfare recipients didn't pay the taxes to build the roads, the schools,
hire the teachers ect. The businesses that grew, paid taxes, hired employees
who paid taxes, built those roads, schools and infastructure. Business not
government built commerce. Obama's comment was class warfare at its worst.
Romney was at the head of Bain Capital, but he did not do it all by himself. He
had the help of many people in his employ. And, you can not dismiss the
contributions of the many people that lost their jobs in companies that were
ravaged by Bain, and their pension funds that were plundered. These people
contributed greatly to the monetary profits of Bain. So in some respects, Obama
is right that one person does not build a business by themselves. Steve Jobs
May have been a visionary but without the know-how of Steve Wosniak and others,
Apple Computing would not have been.
Let's make a deal. Romney provides tax returns, if Obama reveals passport
records, and a copy of his college application. Have them both be transparent.
Several thoughts:1. Governor Romney is at a distinct disadvantage because
he, like me and many others, is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints. I truly believe he is trying to live the standards of the
Church as he campaigns, and is not willing to get in the gutter, or tell lies.
Unfortunately, his opponent has no standards.2. One vote, did you hear
Governor Romney explain that his off-shore interests are tied to corporations
that invest in American companies? Probably not, since that info is not on any
Democratic point papers.3. Chuck Schroeder, don't you think if there
was anything illegal or wrong with Governor Romney's Swiss bank accounts
that he would have gotten rid of them years ago, since he has been running for
President for a few years. And, conveniently, you've ignored his stating
that his investments are in a blind trust. How many Democrats have such
accounts?4. Do any of you think that a wealthy man after more wealth would
have forgone any salary while serving as a governor or as the head of the
Olympic committee?5. Romney will save America!
I could care less about Romney's tax returns or Obama's college
transcripts. Knowing the content of either one doesn't tell me how to fix
the economy or how they're going to create jobs. It's foolish to
insist on having something that won't fix the country. So what Bain
outsourced jobs during a booming economy. That's better than outsourcing
jobs in this economy. So what Obama hasn't disclosed a lot of his past. So
what politicians on both sides have money in foreign accounts. Who cares?? Not
me!! Let's not go down a road that won't get any of us anywhere. I
want to know how things are going to be fixed, because what we are currently
doing, isn't working.
I am glad to see that Romney is attacking policy and not personality. What we
need is for the President to explain his policies or attack the other persons
With the stimulus package, Obama gave billions of dollars to Japan, and China to
build wind turbines. He then paid a bankrupt Australian company to build a wind
mill farm here in Texas. He then used a Chinese company to do welding on our
bridges.Isn't this outsourcing? The very thing he's
criticizing Romney for.
You need to check the statements of both candidates as neither has a sterling
recordfor telling the truth.Current Fact Check score for
President Obamaand Mitt Romney from Politifact:
Obama RomneyTrue 23% 16%Mostly True
23% 15%Half True 25% 28%Mostly False
12% 15%False 15% 17%Pants on Fire
The Demos only hope is to try to make nothing into something, because nothing is
what they have to realistically attack Romney with.They keep looking
for something, but keep finding nothing, so they keep trying to make it into
something. Each thing is more vile and ridiculous that the last.
If keeping your money in off-shore tax havens is job creation, then Romney has
something to brag about! When we actually get down to the nuts and
bolts, debating policy, Romney is going to have a hard sell justifying more tax
cuts which greatly benefit the wealthy.
Atl134: i'm sure Henry Ford was elated that someone invested in roads, so
that he could sell cars. Oh, wait. . . nope, Cars came before roads, why else
would we need roads? Also, business is the art of fulfilling needs.
Entrepreneurs have no one to thank for their success except the American People
that purchase the products and services that are being sold. The American
Government gets it's power from the people, but B. O. would have you
believe that the people get their power from the Government. This is
anti-American, and is contrary to every single article and amendment in the US
Constitution. We the people, not We the Government.
If you want someone to decide if you succeed or not regardless of effort or
ability, vote for Obama.If you want to be rewarded for effort,
ingenuity, and hard work, vote for Romney.Look at any endeavor where
success is not rewarded or worse, is punished and see what you find. If work is
not rewarded, work will not be done. I'll take a rich
successful businessman any day over a liftime politician who has never produced
or even been a part of anything that has produced anything. If Romney is guilty
of something, try him in court.
Re: Big BlueListen to what the President said, not what some
right-wing nut job "tells" you what he said. The President said that
everyone receives some type of help to make them succeed, i.e. a teacher who
influenced you, and for example small businesses use "roads and
bridges". They didn't build them but they use them to make their
businesses succeed. HE never said they didn't build their business.
Bridges and roads; I must have missed how many bridges and roads Steve Jobs
@DSB"who is more capable of having a positive impact on our country -
a man with $100 million, or one with $50 million?"Unanswerable,
we don't know if the 50 million dollar guy has less money because he paid
his workers better wages/benefits nor do we know what those two end up doing
with their money."Would you rather have a wise financial
manager, or an unwise financial manager to lead us out of our current economic
mess? "Businesses operate in the interest of the business
itself, it doesn't care about anyone else. A president has to look out for
all Americans. The skills are not actually transferable which is why Romney
dodged the question about what specific skills he had that would be useful that
came from his time at Bain. As for GE... you do realize that
Democrats are the ones trying to close loopholes corporations exploit right? Is
it their fault Republicans block them through the filibuster?
To Leo Femedlers 12:28 p.m. July 18, 2012Where were "one
vote" and "Glen in da Bronx" when Obama wouldn't release his
birth certificate in '08?-------------------------President Obama DID release his birth certificate in 2008 (the same type of
birth certificate that we all get when we request one). and Hawaii officials
confirmed time after time after time that it was authentic and valid. It was
uploaded on his campaign's web page for all to see. Why didn't you
President Obama wants to change the discussion from the economy to just about
anything else and Romney keeps falling for it. The argument over the role of
government in fostering industry is a waste of time. Of course it does. Where do
you think the Internet came from? So what? Get back on message.
[Speaking in Pennsylvania on Monday, Romney delivered a free-wheeling attack on
Obama's speech last Sunday. Obama raised eyebrows when he said, “If
you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made
that happen."Romney retorted that the "idea to say that
Steve Jobs didn’t build Apple, that Henry Ford didn’t build Ford
Motor," ... To say something like that is not just foolishness, it is
insulting to every entrepreneur, every innovator in America, and it’s
wrong."]Context is key.Obama: If you were
successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great
teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable
American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in
roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that.
Somebody else made that happen. So he's not saying Steve Jobs
didn't build Apple. He's saying Steve Jobs didn't build the roads
used to ship Apple products out. Romney's misrepresenting Obama though what
else can be expected...
This is exactly why politics are so fun... Go Mitt!! You've weathered the
Republicans, it's time to take out the Dems... Show'em all some
@ouiscRomney's team noted that his job performance his first year was
poor because he inherited a mess and it took some time to turn things around.
Why doesn't Obama get the same leeway? He inherited a trainwreck and within
a year we were back to gaining jobs, albeit the gains have not come as quickly
as we'd like but it's hardly like Romney's job record his latter
years were steller.
Glen in the Bronx,You forgot to mention the turnaround in job
production Massachusettes had while Romney was governor. That might be
considered an achievement.Echo DSB's amazing comments above!!
If a corporate raider isn't your choice, then tell me, what are you looking
for?Make sure your realistic to.
@Bro. Chuck - surely you can reference people from Bain, their clients, the
Olympics, and Massachusetts who can tell us all how Romney presided with
goofiness. No? Yeah, I didn't think so. I've seen Obama dance with
Ellen, joke with The View, and sing Al Green's "Let's Stay
Together." So what - give me a break about goofiness. Total red herring
pile of irrelevant garbage.Secondly, thanks for regurgitating the
undoubtedly unbiased punditry of James Carville. As a stage performer,
he's always good for a laugh, but I doubt Republicans or voters will
consider his consistent insane rantings of any value. He's honestly worse
than any right-wing commentator.
Where were "one vote" and "Glen in da Bronx" when Obama
wouldn't release his birth certificate in '08?
Seriously, I have no idea why anyone thinks a corporate raider is the experience
this country needs in the White House. I would have a shred of respect for the
man if he would at least stand by his signal achievement (health insurance
reform) in his one term as governor or Massachusetts. Further. his dance around
the tax return issue is painful to watch; and his unchallenged comment on FOX
that since Teresa Heinz Kerry never released her tax returns in 2004 he does not
see why he should either demonstrates a troubling detachment from reality. The
growing perception is that something is in the returns that he *really* wants to
keep secret and that whatever is in the returns is so bad that the fallout from
keeping them secret is less damaging than making them public.
I wanted to comment, but DSB has already said it best. So I will end with Ditto
Romney sons defend dad, say goofiness is part of his charm, and that's what
middle-class America needs, a "goofy GOP president" all while their GOP
Congress fiddle as our economy stumbles deeper into their hole they created in
2008. Political strategist James Carville suggested that Republicans are
angrier at Mitt Romney than they are at President Barack Obama because the
presumptive GOP nominee's refusal to release complete financial records has
complicated what should have been an easily winnable 2012 election. I think
the Republicans are mad. And you know why they're mad?, Carville asked Fox
News Sean Hannity. Because a Harvard-educated community organizer is beating
them in a street fight. And they are mad about it because they are used to
winning these fights. How can a guy be running for president, know he was going
to run for president, and not be getting rid of a Swiss bank account?. Mitt
Romney campaign hasn't invited Sarah Palin to speak at or even attend next
month's Republican National Convention, in Tampa. Palin has never shied
away away from an invitation to knock the Republican establishment. Neither
will I.MY VIEWS.
Tell us "one vote," who is more capable of having a positive impact on
our country - a man with $100 million, or one with $50 million? Funny how
having money in other countries is not unpatriotic for rich Democrats. Would
you rather have a wise financial manager, or an unwise financial manager to lead
us out of our current economic mess? In a downward spiraling American company
of 500 employees, is it better to save 300 American jobs and outsource 100 jobs,
or lose the entire company and all 500 jobs?If Romney's record
is so objectionable to you, why isn't Obama's admiration for GE of any
concern to you, when they pay no taxes and outsource jobs on a level unseen by
any of Bain's clients? I'll tell you why - because it has nothing to
do with tax returns, foreign bank accounts or outsourcing. It's all about
finding ANYTHING to destroy Romney to keep your man in power. The hypocrisy and
faux outrage is so astoundingly evident that Obama's accusations seem more
like SNL skits.Never before has the strategy of "I know you are
but what am I?" been more appropriate.
Barak's comments on small business has to be the most un-American thoughts
to have ever come out of a president's mouth. Obama wants to punish
sucessful people to create a socialist state that will take care of
everyone's needs. It is easy to rally those that collect
income tax welfare (earned income credits, children credits, etc.) to vote for
inceasing taxes on those un-deserving (felon) wealthy individuals (ie Romney).
Down with all those job-creating money grabing snobs. We certainly don't
want a smart hardworking successful individual running the government. Barak is inciting class warfare to take attention away from the
miserable job he has done with the economy.
He is going to provide he tax returns? Will he stop using foreign tax havens