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Proposed food stamp cuts could leave 3 million Americans hungry


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  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2012 1:58 p.m.

    @ Vidar,

    You are on the money bro! I appreciate you post sir! Cheers!

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    July 23, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    I am still waiting for the handouts to oil companies, banks, Wall Street, and billionaires to be stopped.
    I guess it is easier to pull the money from the poor.
    I do not think it is a good idea to stop giving the poor food; maybe the way we give them food needs to be improved.
    Medicare loses billions of dollars each year through fraud; does this mean we should end Medicare?
    With the 1.5 Trillion dollars that was spent on the bank-wall street bailout; we could have hired 30 million Americans, and paid them $50,000 each.
    Or given small business loans of $100,000 to 15 million Americans.
    If we are going to end welfare; let’s start with the wealthy first.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    Six years ago I got mugged by three hood rats, shot twice and beaten up beyond recognition. I spent 2 months in the hospital and had vertigo for over 3 years after the assault. Every dime I had went to medical bills. I had ZERO $ and could not work. If it wasn't for SS disability and food stamps I would have died under some viaduct. All you radical right wing zealots need to shut your mouth. People are starving in this country because of your votes. And, it is getting worse, thanks to Republicans.

    Some of you people that complain of food stamp fraud???????? OK, I agree it occurs. But, how much fraud occurs on Wall St.? It ruined this once great country, and the world for that matter.........thanks to the GOP policies that discontinued financial regulation.

    Please don't vote!

  • guv_garfunkel Highland, UT
    July 22, 2012 10:25 p.m.

    The food stamp system is a joke. They are throwing out way too much money. They should use those cuts not to change the eligibility requirements, but to cut back on the amount that is given to those who qualify. In school, we had some friends that were on food stamps. They consistently had way more food money than us. They bought all name brand items. They would have to try and use their food stamp money up each month so they didn't lose it. They had a freezer full of fancy steaks. They even gave us some steaks because they couldn't fit all the extra food they had. I was disgusted with the whole thing.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    July 22, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    When my friend who has MS and had a heart attack a couple of years ago, lives on $700 a month and gets $26.00 in food stamps, yes cut food stamps for those who are stealing from the system, so that there is less there for those that truly need it.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 22, 2012 8:01 p.m.

    President Obama likes to tell everyone how keen he is on building infrastructure but it seems the only infrastructure he's interested in building is dependency on the Federal government- not Churches, charitable and civic organizations. Dependency on Government bureaucrats and the politicians that bankroll them with everyone else's money. We could have built about 80 Golden Gate Bridges with the money we spent on the "American Recovery and Reinvestment Act" and how many did we build? Zero point zero. We sure have added a lot more people to the food stamp rolls and something tells me many of those people aren't nearly as needy as we've been led to believe. When the Federal Government is spending our tax money to advertise to people that they should enroll in the SNAP program then we have a real problem on our hands.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    July 21, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    By their fruits ye shall know them...The only greedy people I see are the ones that think we have no responsibility to assist those in need. Those that say that the poor take advantage of the food stamp program are just telling us what they would do if they were in that situation.

  • Gregorio Norco, CA
    July 21, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    Ben Franklin said it best: To relieve the misfortunes of our fellow creatures is concurring with the Deity; it is godlike;but, if we provide encouragement for laziness, and supports for folly, may we not be found fighting against the order of God and Nature, which perhaps has appointed want and misery as the proper punishments for, and cautions against, as well as necessary consequences of, idleness and extravagance? Whenever we attempt to amend the scheme of Providence, and to interfere with the government of the world, we had need be very circumspect, lest we do more harm than good. (Smyth, Writings of Benjamin Franklin, 3:135)

  • Buzzards LEHI, UT
    July 20, 2012 8:40 p.m.

    Don't know around here, but when I lived in SoCal, the worst kept secret in town was which convenience and liquor stores would give you fifty cents on the dollar cash for your stamps. One small store was caught doing about 400K a month. You don't think there is absolutely massive fraud? Think again. I have known people who got food stamps but made the weekly trip to the food bank crying that their children had nothing to eat. Not to mention the kids got free school breakfast, lunch, and after school snacks.
    I would like to meet one person in this country who is legitimately in danger of chronic hunger due to objective conditions. I'm over fifty years old and have not made their acquaintance yet.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    July 20, 2012 3:05 p.m.

    The larger problem we have is a president who pats himself on the back while at the same time blaming everyone but himself for the problem. The way he talks you would think we may as well not have a president because he says he is responsible for nothing that is happening.

    Truth be told they are thrilled with the fact there are more and more getting food stamps and that more are signing up for disability than finding jobs. Taht is actually a fact by the way. In their minds all of these people are now dependent on govt and who do the democrats pander to in every statement they make?

    They are literally creating votes. Then they literally buy them by incessantly repeating that they will "tax the rich" and redistribute other peoples income to them via govt benefits.

    Unfortunately alot of poor people don't realize they are being used by democrats. The democrats say the represent the poor when in reality they are nothing but pawns being used of govt power. Once they are poor the dems have no plan to let you get out of that rut either. They have you where they want you.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    July 20, 2012 12:07 p.m.

    SpaceCowboy advocates throwing out the baby with the bath water. Abolishing a program because of some bad apples is not what you should do. You should root out the individual cases of fraud and prosecute them.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    July 20, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    the lds church is not using taxpayer money. big difference, if you don't like the way they are doing it stop tithes and offerings. try not paying taxes because you don't like how they spend it

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    July 19, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    LDS Liberal that is the most dishonest and inflamatory bunch of Obama Mania. None of those mentioned are billionaires.Obama is the most abortion friendly president in our history. His cronyism with planned parenthood is well documented. His support for infanticide chronocled as a state senator. Using Book of Mormon villians to support Obama is beneath any level of decency.I am not rich and I have run a small business in a very liberal state and Obama and his ilk are destroying small businesses and his decision to disregard the constitution is very scary.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    July 19, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    Elizabeth why the use of an extreme leftwing policy group Center for American Progress? Isn't it wrong to spend others taxpayers money on people who broke our laws to enter the country? Our country is 16 trillion in debt, we cannot afford providing food stamps to any that don't qualify.Should we pass on such a horrible debt to our children. It is time to say enough is enough and live within our means.

  • clutch VERNAL, UT
    July 18, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    @Midwest Mom: Your Charles Dicken's quote was laughable. Do you REALLY want to compare the poor of Victorian England to today's poor? I love me some Charles Dickens, but let's put things in context here.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 16, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    Sad --

    The final cycle of Pride and the death roll of society comes with the shunning and trampling of the poor, the needy, elderly, sick and young and defenseless.

    Who make War [think, Middle East] in OTHER countries for power and riches, not in self-defense.

    And spit upon those who can't provide for themselves.

    It appears that smug, well off, I've got mine - boo-hoo for you, Conservatives are destroying America faster and with finer surgical presision and speed than all the immmorality of all the "evil" Lefties and Socialists combined.

    You can thank multi-Billionaries Limbaugh, Beck, Hannnity, Sherem, Nehor, and Korihor who whip up the masses "insomuch that they did trample under their feet and smite and rend and turn their backs upon the poor and the meek"

  • 101Ways Taylorsville, UT
    July 16, 2012 5:53 a.m.

    Jobs and who can get them are screened by the Department of Workforce services so that illegal aliens will get preference in job placement. Utah caps how many jobs one can seek and look for at 3 using the state services but they won't cap welfare. Any unemployed workers in Utah are handicapped to find employment as soon as the become unemployed by the state Department of Workforce Services.

    Why the state limits unemployed to look for 3 job titles is incomprehensible and unfair to workers and employers. The state of Utah offers no services or help to unemployed in how to seek a job placement so this leaves thousands of americans out of jobs for extended periods of time because of the 3 title search limit. State DWFS needs reform to help americans seeking work and not limit information and access for unemployed.

    Taking people off of welfare should be a goal of the DWFS and DWS cooperating with each other, not an incentive to segregate by race or subsidize employment. When the Utah Welfare department pays entitlements, they do it with the intention of it being a permanent income supplement. Cap welfare by time and amount.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    July 15, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Bikeboy: Well said. I am referring everyone back to your 10:58 post because if they have read and pondered it, they missed important information.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    July 15, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    Midwest mom: the programs the government has established neither help the poor nor truly relieve poverty. They are designed in fact to make people dependent. The government is spending money that it must borrow in order to run these programs and that is an extremely inefficient method of "helping." And many of these programs are funded by the feds but run by states. In Illinois, there are set requirements, but very few follow ups to verify the actual needs. So the question is not whether or not we assist the poor. The question is whether or not the program is helping the poor. In most cases, these federal programs are missing the mark.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    July 15, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    Mitt Romney and his Republican friends continue to tell the voters that" there are no jobs available for the unemployed because of President Obama's policies". Mitt is running on the message that he is "a job creator". Just elect Mitt and everyone will be working! Remember?
    Those who have lost their jobs during the past 6+years "because of President Obama" have been unable to find a job, according to Republicans.
    Please let us know where the jobs are for the poor, so we can direct them to those employers.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    July 15, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    My son's girlfriend in CA visits the ER monthly to refill her pain med Rx so they both can get their next fix. Midwest mom, tell Jon Huntsman that the rich are the problem. Big governmnent does not have the solution to social ills. The people offer better, more cost-effective solutions to such problems as hunger, jobs, health care, energy, illegals, etc.

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    July 15, 2012 7:36 a.m.

    Something needs to be done. It's not fair to see people who are on welfare eating better and living better than those hard working Americans who don't qualify for welfare.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    July 15, 2012 6:35 a.m.

    In Utah we need a change of leadership in the welfare program so that enforcement of entitlement and a maximum limit for how much welfare and foods stamps is issued. Utah has no cap or limit on how much a family can get of all accumulated social services so the abuse is rampant and criminal. When one family can get $3,600/month food stamps alone its way beyond reason. And when the Utah welfare department is asked how working people can get $3,600 in food stamps their only reply is they qualify. $3600 can feed 10 families of 4 kids so why is this allowed to a single family holding down two or more jobs?

    The poor do not starve or go hungry, but get lucrative incentive not to work or get a job.

    Utah welfare cannot be compared to LDS welfare operations. If families do get LDS welfare why are they also getting state welfare? Welfare must have a cap and limit on how much they give to each family or group.

    Also, the Utah department allows the use of state/federal welfare in foreign countries by any breathing human, i.e. Mexico and unauthorized individuals.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    July 14, 2012 9:07 p.m.

    Couldn't the headline as easily have read "Proposed food stamp cuts could give 3 million Americans the incentive to become more self-reliant"?

    Does anyone else see the irony of this article juxtaposed against another article today with the headline "Study: $15 trillion in welfare spending has had little impact since 1964"?

    While any decent civilized nation will have a solid safety net, there is an enslavement that comes with actually encouraging healthy, able citizens to participate in welfare programs, as the most recent advertisements from our government do with regard to food stamps. The rampant fraud, abuse, and whining from the Wall Street protester crowd is evidence of a dangerous and growing entitlement mentality that perpetuates poverty and degrades the dignity of long-term participants.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 14, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    Why have children if you can't afford to raise them? Dependence on government taking money from others is not reliable.

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    July 14, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    They should make the people work for the help they receive like foodstamps cash asst. or what ever else they get, if they are able to. If they are illegals and their children they should not get any help what so ever. I have seen more illegals driving around in brand new vechile and get all the free benifits like welfare and food boxes. Make it harder for them to get the help. I believe that if you can afford new trucks and cars then you don't need any help with food or anything make them sell the new truck or car and come back when you meet the elabite. I retired from the military and the state and I still have to work and not able to get any help I agree that they need to ct the roll of welfare and they need to live within their means. I know that if you are not working you need help and they should get it, but make them work for the help, not for free.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    We may be helping the needy, but we are also greatly helping the criminals among us.

    Since "food stamps" are now actually "EBT cards" like credit cards, it should be pretty easy to track down exactly what they have been spending OUR MONEY for.

    Since the state is involved in this process, we should demand that the Legislature pass a bill to track exactly how EBT benefits are being spent, and to document every dime spent on anything other than basic foodstuffs. I bet we will be amazed at the waste, fraud and abuse going on.

    That does not even scratch the surface of the fraud where the EBT cards are traded off to drug dealers or others for under the table transactions.

  • 101Ways Taylorsville, UT
    July 14, 2012 8:47 a.m.

    Baloney is right, they could cut food stamps by 75% and never hurt anyone. I think $3,600/mo is too much for food stamps for one family. Abolish WIC, school food service, and daily home delivery meal services as well. These are all programs only the poor and undocumented foreign nationals can get with lies very easily.

    How many food programs are we supposed to give to the poor? One is enough, they don't need 6 different programs do the same thing. No wonder food stamps have become a financial cash program for those who get it.

    Let the millions whine all they want, get a job and earn your keep.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 13, 2012 11:16 p.m.


    Fifteen trillion dollars since 1964 fighting poverty, and you call that hard hearted?


    In the past three and a half years, five and a half trillions dollars has been to the deficit. That's about twenty thousand dollars for every American, and enough to pay healthcare for all.

    Where's the money now? What happened to it?

    What has Obama done the past three and a half years that would have some people wanting four more years of? Hutterite, explain.

  • kmitch Las Vegas, NV
    July 13, 2012 10:33 p.m.

    @ Rob and atl134.. My husband is a prosecutor and has cases that involve food stamp fraud so I know a ton of that stuff goes on. I used the $1200 amount because he just had a case where a family of 5 was getting $1200/month for five years. Turned out the husband had been working full time the entire time, and they had been making way more than was allowed by SNAP. But let me make a correction. According to the SNAP website, a family of six, can get up to $952 in food stamps alone, and that doesn't include rent assistance and free medical care,the WICK program, church assistance where applicable, etc. Like I said before, the program is needed for those who are truly in need, but there needs to be some kind of revamping, so the corruption can be done away with.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 13, 2012 8:00 p.m.

    "We need to be careful not to enable the idler. I personally know far too many people that feel the world owes them a living."

    So, if you know people personally who take advantage of the system, then perhaps you should address that?
    On the other hand, will you advocate for cutting programs across the board with the risk it might have detrimental effects on a child--who is caught in circumstances over which they have no control? What about an elderly or disabled person?

    How does one tell the difference between depression and laziness?

    As for the scripture you cited: "Thou shalt not be idle for he that is idle shall not eat the bread nor wear the garments of the laborer," is it directed to the idle person? Yes. There are many more scriptures which admonish us to be charitable and not to judge. If a person is guilty of idleness, then the sin lies with them.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 13, 2012 7:37 p.m.

    "We need to be careful not to enable the idler. I personally know"

    So, don't enable that person/people.

    But, if you don't personally know the person, how will you judge?
    How can you tell the difference between laziness and depression?
    Will you advocate for programs to be cut even though it might hurt an innocent child caught up in a situation over which they have no control? Or, what about an elderly or disabled person?

    Actually, the scripture you provided speaks to the idle person, not to those who are charitable.
    There are many scriptures which tell us to be charitable and to leave the judging to HIM.

  • Kempster Spokane, WA
    July 13, 2012 6:01 p.m.

    @ Midwest Mom
    Yes, we should read our scriptures. However, let’s be careful on the interpretation of them. I personally understand this scripture (Jacob 2:16-19) to be warning us about the pride cycle. A scripture in the Doctrine & Covenants comes to my mind. Thou shalt not be idle for he that is idle shall not eat the bread nor wear the garments of the laborer. (D. &C. 42: 42)
    I think we can all agree there is abuse within this system.
    There are numerous programs that give aid to the poor, i.e. food drives, food banks, utilities, churches etc.
    We need to be careful not to enable the idler. I personally know far too many people that feel the world owes them a living.
    If there weren’t so many entitlements, it would force the able body to earn the bread and garments that they need. In return they would have a sense of accomplishment.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 13, 2012 4:42 p.m.


    Ive been lucky as to the circumstances of my birth, but i am not so stupid as to believe that i would never be in a position of needing help.

    Actually my assoc with the church has given me a glimpse as to the struggles people face. I think there are people who can succeed with help through difficult times. I see others who due to dysfunctional childhoods, mental health issues etc most likely will never be self-sufficient. The most heartbreaking situation of all is when the family dysfunction perpetuates ongoing dysfunction in subsequent generations. These are children who never had a chance, now adults and parents.

    PRIMARILY, in the U.S. the church offers assistance to church members only, except in disaster situations. If govt programs for the poor ceased would the church have enough funds to step into the gap? Do families have the ability to help other family members with expenses, through difficult times? Most families are just able to provide for their immediate family. People who think we dont need govt programs dont live in reality. It takes the effort of various entities to ensure a stable and safe society.

  • Janet Ontario, OR
    July 13, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    Some people feel there's no excuse for being fat or poor. I've been both and have known a considerable number of others who have been one or both. Circumstances of birth, parenting, opportunity, intelligence, and even luck combine with day-to-day choices to put people where they are. The scriptures are pretty clear: "Are we not all beggars?" "Judge not, that ye be not judged...." "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone...." I think there are going to be a lot of surprised people at the Second Coming. If scriptural precedent is followed, Jesus will call the little children and the sick and lame. He will feed the hungry. He won't ask for documentation or tax returns. He knows our hearts.

  • Sasha Pachev Provo, UT
    July 13, 2012 3:41 p.m.

    LDS welfare assistance is rarely given without at least some form of commitment from the people receiving it to do something within their power to improve their situation and some form of follow up. If the bishop ever hears about any form of abuse, it is his responsibility to stop it ASAP. The government does not do that. If we proposed a bill that would ban the sale of alcohol and tobacco to those receiving government welfare, there will be a revolt among those receiving it and others with an agenda. Anybody receiving government assistance should not be be able to choose the food that they receive - they should be receiving a ration that provides the best nutrition at the minimum price. Those who disagree with that can donate to their charity that will give the poor what they think is most appropriate, but they should not take away hard earned money from others via taxation to help the poor get sick through improper diet.

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    July 13, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    "more people in poverty than before its inception."

    Not true.
    In the late 1950s, the poverty rate for all Americans was 22.4 percent, or 39.5 million individuals. These numbers declined steadily throughout the 1960s, reaching a low of 11.1 percent, or 22.9 million individuals, in 1973. Over the next decade, the poverty rate fluctuated between 11.1 and 12.6 percent, but it began to rise steadily again in 1980. By 1983, the number of poor individuals had risen to 35.3 million individuals, or 15.2 percent.

    For the next ten years, the poverty rate remained above 12.8 percent, increasing to 15.1 percent, or 39.3 million individuals, by 1993. The rate declined for the remainder of the decade, to 11.3 percent by 2000. From 2000 to 2004 it rose each year to 12.7 in 2004.

    Since the late 1960s, the poverty rate for people over 65 has fallen dramatically. The poverty rate for children has historically been somewhat higher than the overall poverty rate. The poverty rate for people in households headed by single women is significantly higher than the overall poverty rate.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    government food assistance used to come in the form of--------FOOD! But some pinhead decided giving food to the poor was too paternalistic and we should give them money. Their poverty status already shows they do not know how to handle money.

    giving them food instead of money would result in a large decrease in those actually applying for food aid and would reveal those who truly want to be fed, rather than just want access to the public trough.

    As long as the food is nutritious, that should be the end of it. If it is unappealing - oh well.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    All people should be involved in charitable acts; government, however, is a horrible vehicle for truly helpful charity. The govt's war on poverty IS a horrible failure, with more people in poverty than before its inception. Leave the money in taxpayer's pockets, and let people take care of their neighbors rather than letting government programs distance people from their neighbors.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 13, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    Re:heedaf, kmitch

    So if you know people who get food stamps and have smartphones why dont you ask how they can afford that?

    I know a disabled woman with an 8 yr old daughter who gets food stamps. She cant afford a smartphone and doesnt have one. She does have a cell phone which she used to call me one day to help her get up when she had fallen in the rain in front of her house.

    Its. easy to pass judgement from afar. No doubt there are those that take advantage of the system. But even the LDS Church welfare system has people who take advantage and ive never heard anyone advocate for abolishing that.

  • Rob Logan, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    To kmitch. You cannot buy tobacco and alcohol with food stamps. I have never heard of anyone getting $1200 in food stamps a month. There is some abuse going on but most families are really in need that are on food stamps.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:39 p.m.

    Where did you get 1200/month from?

    [Rosenbaum and Dean wrote. "The $100 per month in SNAP benefits that they receive covers about one-fifth of their monthly food budget."]

    1200 a year sounds right... there is some variance in food stamp allotments by state based on standard of living but the most generous areas are still about 150 dollars a month like that one tv chef did for a month.

  • George Bronx, NY
    July 13, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    @distand thunder
    the sponsor of that bill in Mass had to admit he had no evidence that this was actually even an issue. You have to wonder what it is that people that push this issue and the false notion that voter fraud is any kind of substantial issue are trying to distract the voting public from looking at? If they are so confident that Obama is as bad as they say why hide behind false claims about food stamp abuse and voter fraud? run on the economy, run on foreign affairs issues stop hiding behind propaganda issues.

  • kmitch Las Vegas, NV
    July 13, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    Oh come on! The average family of 5 can receive up to $1200/month in food stamps which can include tobacco, alcohol, etc. My own married children who each have four kids, don't even come close to spending that for their families. We need to take a good luck at the abuse in this program. I am glad for the food stamp program, but their are some real abuses going on.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    July 13, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    Charles Dickens on helping the poor from his essay, "Temperate Temperance"

    "You must look at things with their eyes, a little; you must not always expect them to see with your eyes. The weak point in almost every attempt which has been made to deal with the lower classes is invariably the same -- too much is expected of them. You ask them to do, simply the most difficult thing in the world -- you ask them to change their habits ... and to abandon habits and make great efforts is hard work even for clever, good and educated people. The position of the lowest poor is so terrible, they are so deprived of energy through vile and low living and bad lodging, and so little ready to second any efforts that are made for their benefit. We must get it into our heads -- which seems harder to do than many people would imagine -- that the working poor man is neither a felon, nor necessarily a drunkard, nor a very little child. There is a tendency in officials to be rough and brutish or cheerfully condescending. Both are offensive to the poor."

    In essence, use the golden rule.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    @distant thunder
    actually if you go back and read when the sponsor of the bill was asked directly do you have any evidence of this actually happening the sponsor had to admit there was no evidence this was even a problem. The bill was nothing more then political grandstanding at the cost of those the sponsor knows cannot fight back. Just like a distant thunder this was noting more then a distraction from the work at hand.

  • heedaf Layton, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    atl134 - I always amazed at how many liberals think that giving freebies to the poor actually help them out. It has quite the reverse and simply makes them more dependent and lazy. I don't think that un healthy food is cheaper but the problem is more to that is easier to heat up. All the people on food stamps that I know live off cereal and soda and I'd bet that is the case for a large majority of people on food stamps.

  • heedaf Layton, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    A couple of easy fixes would save billions. Ban the purchase of soda, chips, cookies, donuts, steaks, etc. from being able to be purchased using food stamps. Second, if someone is caught selling food stamps than they are banned for 5 or so years.

    My neighbor asked my wife for a ride to Smiths to get groceries and she bought chips, pop, snack trays, etc. for her super bowl party using food stamps. She is unable to work because her child has ADD.

    I'm also amazed at how many people on food stamps own smart phones. Can anyone explain to me how that works?

  • bikeboy Boise, ID
    July 13, 2012 10:58 a.m.

    I wish the "LDS Model" could somehow be instituted... rather than a check or "credit card," the truly needy could visit a storehouse and receive actual food. Granted, the food could be sold on the black market, but I'm confident that fraud would drop in a meaningful way.

    (As for those who recite scriptures as evidence that we need food stamps... Christ and his spokesmen have always addressed INDIVIDUAL attitudes regarding wealth and poverty. To imply that involuntary participation in collectivist welfare programs is Christian "charity" is totally erroneous.)

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    July 13, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    "There, there little luxury, don't you cry. You'll become a necessity, by and by." Thank you DistantThunder for mentioning tattoo parlors and getting one's nails done.

    WHYYYYY doesn’t the federal government take a look at welfare programs that are succeeding and copy them? In the LDS church, food orders are reviewed by both a Relief Society President and a Bishop, which helps keep everyone honest and fed. Is this so difficult to understand, and to duplicate?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    "Since the food stamp program is rife with fraud and deceit, it should be abolished."

    What is with the conservative obsession with taking sledgehammers to everything (aside from war spending, and tax cuts to the rich of course...)?

    "Yet we have an obesity epidemic mostly among the poor. "

    Healthy food is more expensive than unhealthy food.

    "Massachusettes just had to pass a law saying that the food stamp cards couldn't be used at tattoo parlors, gambling joints, for alcohol or, get this, for getting your nails done. They had to pass the law because people were abusing the system."

    Well then maybe we can pass laws like that instead of scraping the entire program as some other conservatives are suggesting.

    @David B.
    "and the citizens weren't such a bunch of crybaby's wanting freebies"

    Last I checked it was your side of the aisle that throws a conniption fit every time someone suggests raising taxes to the levels they were a decade ago in order to help balance the budget.

  • David B. Cedar City, UT
    July 13, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    If the illegals weren't here to begin with and the citizens weren't such a bunch of crybaby's wanting freebies our safety net wouldn't be breaking now on the verge of falling apart. Then the politicians in Washington really need to learn how to run a fically strong house.Quit giving our money to every Tom,Dick,and Harry nation. Take care of home first period then if there's extra then share but don't put outsiders first.That's why people get so miffed with government.

  • DistantThunder Vincentown, NJ
    July 13, 2012 10:15 a.m.

    Yet we have an obesity epidemic mostly among the poor. Massachusettes just had to pass a law saying that the food stamp cards couldn't be used at tattoo parlors, gambling joints, for alcohol or, get this, for getting your nails done. They had to pass the law because people were abusing the system.

    Adam Carolla just wrote a book "Not Taco Bell Material" and writes about what it was like growing up with a mother on the dole. When he was 9 he asked her, "Mom, why don't you get a job?" She said, "I lose my check from the government." People game the system to the detriment of their families and self-reliance.

    The government HURTS people.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 13, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    We've become hard hearted, and i guess 'christian' enough to delcare that everyone is responsible for their own circumstances, and that we're comfortable to let an impoverished underclass develop in our society. It's their own fault, so we don't have to do anything about it. I'm not sure this is the right direction but that's where we're going. Besides, denial is working for climate change, it can work here too.

  • JD Tractor Iowa City, IA
    July 13, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    Cutting food stamps won't leave people hungry, but it will cut down on trips to Vegas, cruises on the Carribean and vacations in Hawaii.

    This program needs to be reigned in so that it can help the truly poor, not the truly greedy and deceitful.

  • SpaceCowboy69 Syracuse, UT
    July 13, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    Since the food stamp program is rife with fraud and deceit, it should be abolished. The war on poverty has been an abject failure.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    July 13, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    There are as many reasons for poverty as there are poor people. Despising the poor has become a blight on our country. Study your scriptures, people. It is never the poor who bring down society; it is the rich.

    "...let not this pride of your hearts destroy your souls! Think of your brethren like unto yourselves, and be familiar with all and free with your substance, that they may be rich like unto you. But before ye seek for riches, seek ye for the kingdom of God. And after ye have obtained a hope in Christ ye shall obtain riches, if ye seek them; and ye will seek them for the intent to do good--to clothe the naked, and to feed the hungry, and to liberate the captive, and administer relief to the sick and the afflicted."
    (Jacob 2:16-19)

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 13, 2012 9:35 a.m.

    Let me see....

    $16 Billion over 10 years [i.e., $1.6 Billion per year], feeding 3 Miillion Americans.
    adding another $2 Billion to Afghanistan this year alone on top of what we already spend there.

    Why can't Republicans SEE this obvious problem and domestic discrepancy?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 13, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    Baloney! Americans don't even have a clue about real poverty. The best cure for poverty is work and personal responsibility, not more food stamps!