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Issue could go before Utah Legislature

Published: Tuesday, July 10 2012 11:21 p.m. MDT

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MyChildrensKeeper
Taylorsville, UT

I'm pleased to see that this policy has been enforced but it did not go far enough. Any and all proceeds from advertising, vending machines, cake sales, bake sales, game transportation, for school programs for band and concerts appearances a school collects should become the property of the state. Schools should not be allowed to collect any funds for non educational activities away from the school itself.

It's time education be relieved of the ability to run a public school for profit using child labor and collect tax funds as well.

We must teach schools how to save money without having to resort to commercializing class room education with advertising and Ronald McDonald posters in the hallways, classes, and the double arches hanging over entrance to schools.

Educators and teachers and parents should think of schools as institutions of learning, not propaganda centers that takes away from children learning how to read, write, do math and learn science. Students have the rest of their lives to see the world and there is no reason to make it a priority over education.

Thunder
Orem, UT

It seems like these district officials who excuse and hide their decision behind state policy and ethics should educate their constituents on the details of the same policies and training they received. Surely there ought to be a method where a donor can be involved in decision-making that has checks and balances such that they do not have ultimate authority or veto power. The district should look inward at fixing their own policies and procedures. It is so much easier to place blame at those "unethical" donors who also volunteer their time on campus. As was pointed out in the article, I agree with those who are disheartened that this district is making philanthropic individuals choose between time and money if they can provide both, particularly when there is likely a dearth of these individuals. I grew up with a mother who volunteered at my school. I doubt she ever donated $500 to the school, but she might have. She also served on the PTA. The school was much better for her service since there were few who volunteered. I don't recall her having a level of decision-making power that would've been under question.

1Observer
Cottonwood Heights, UT

This is just another example of the education bureaucracy getting in the way of community involvement. Most large donors want some say on how their donation is used. And most have an affinity for a particular school but not the school district. Why would anyone give money to a school knowing that the district could take that money and use it somewhere else, against the desires of the donor? More patronizing policy designed to keep the non-educators from having any influence in our education system. Keep this kind of insanity in mind when voting for school board members this November. Thank goodness for charities, private schools and charter schools where my donations can be directed to a specific use and purpose that is important to me.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Does this mean that Gates has to give up control of the Kearns High baseball field? I hope so. Right now it does not benefit the Kearns community. Only Gates and his ego. Once high school ball is done, the Kearms community is shut out. The kids that live in Kearns and play in local Kearns baseball leagues should be able to play on the field. Right now, they don't. Gates has all those pseudo tournaments on the field. The only legit ones are the state high school baseball playoffs and the American Legion tournament. If Kearns people were allowed to use the facility, Kearns High baseball would benefit long term.

SLCguy
Murray, UT

I've heard that the Granite District has been in touch with other organizations to help 'fix' these types of issues.

Effective immediately all ticket revenue for the Utah Jazz will be diverted to Weber State's program since it would be better used there.

All season ticket renewals for the U of U will be sent to SLCC's program as they really need better lawn care on their Redwood Road campus.

BYU Cougar club funds will immediately be sent to UVU ...... because they know best

ALl funds collected by any ONE organization will be sent to the 'collective'

To use a Star Trek reference "we are Borg!"

Let's be real
Salt Lake City, UT

Excellent comments so far. Trib just has people who try to make everything a mormon issue. This issue is a 2 edged sword. I am sure that there were a few people who misused the system and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Schools sometimes seem like a profit center in themselves. I register the kids then spend the year watching as flyer after flyer comes to my house trying to extract money from me that I don't have. Also, affluent people can often misuse their power and influence by giving money then strong-arming a person(s) or system. With those sides covered, there must be a way to write policy that can allow a person to serve AND donate. That is how many people give back to their communities. This needs to be rethought. Now we will have the legislature getting into it with the politicians, Education Dept and parents among others beating each other up. Why can't we just grow up and get along, realizing that there are others out there besides our self? Suppose that is a lifelong question.

Bearone
Monroe, UT

Just wondering---if a rich person donates sever

Amazing how the state law is interpreted depending on who you are or what institution is involved.

I am sorry, but if I am going to give money toa school or college, etc---I am going to specify what the money is for. I am not going to let some high-paid administrator decide that the money should go for candy and donuts for the district office!!

The board could have come up with better controls without killing the 'golden goose'.

Bearone
Monroe, UT

Part of comment was dropped off. Should have read "If a rich person donates several million dollars to a college for buildings, fellowships, etc--they specify how the money is intended to be used. It isn't a blank check to be used for any little whim of the state."

Rest of the comment is ok.

satch
Highland, UT

As a teacher who has received donations from parents I am grateful they cared. Right now we shouldn't be finding ways to eliminate funds from our children. Financially, most programs depend on these funds just to exist with the basics.

Until Utahns fund schools and programs we desperately need any funds to keep our programs functioning.

Lastly, having worked in the Granite District in the past, I wouldn't be in favor of the way they do things. Any person or parent should have the freedom to to donate to any program or school they choose. This is a simple basic freedom. However, if a parent feels this entitles them to make any decisions within that program or school, ethically they should not be making the donation.

UC Baller
Salt Lake City, UT

Just like the Provo School District said in thier public Board Meeting with Timoview parents asking questions.

"if I donate money, whose money is it?". PS District answer..." we refuse to answer because of legal issues"....

" If I donate money to Timpview Band....you are telling me you will take MY MoNEY and give it to Springvilles Spanish Club?"

PSD.."that may happen but we refuse to answer because of legal issues and we don't owe the public any answers"

I was amazed.

As stated...why would I give $$$ to a school only to have it go to someone else school?

This is wrong. Just like at Pineview HS a few years back. The school said if you give money for football, we will redistribute to the girls soccer team, band, and tennis etc. The football people said that's not fair. We did the car washes, sold candy bars, sold cards, held dinner raffles while the other teams did ZERO but collected the football teams hard work monies. So what happened? The football team stopped doing any fundraising and all teams suffered.

This is where we are headed. No more donations....

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