illegal is a status, and people here illegally have the status of being illegal.
People come to help their economy, and that of the dishonest
businessmen. The rest of us pay for it.
I find it interesting that history books do not refer to European immigrants as
'illegal' but as Puritans, Pilgrims, and otherwise, other type of
immigrants.Land and Law taken by force. Treaties broken by force,
well into the 20th century because it is a matter of perspective, the law of the
dominant.Into the 20th century, when terms begin, not as legal
terms, lest we forget, but as matters of policy, a re-invention of labeling on
the oppressed seems adequate.It is a hateful term.It is
un-American to refer to people with such demeaning terms.No one is
illegal. No one.These people come here to help the economy. To say
otherwise denies the economic reality.
I have no problem with the term illegal immigrant. I don't see it as a
slur or a loaded term.What I have a problem with is all the
propaganda that circulates on the internet and the mob mentality that has gained
so much traction. It wouldn't surprise me if there is increased
violence toward Latinos but don't believe it has anything to do with the
Why don't we call them "foreign criminals residing here illegally at
the expense of American citizens, workers and taxpayers"? That is exactly
what they are. And no other country on earth would put up with them for 5
minutes, much less actually REWARD them.
RRB, The majority of my ancestors came over in the 1600's, mostly from
England. Many were not on good terms with the nation they were fleeing for
various reasons -- usually religious persecution or a need for better economic
opportunity. It is not that we have run out of land or resources in this area
since the 1600's or even the 1890's. What we have now is a system of
government that declares unfettered, allegedly necessitated control over every
inch of the land -- and a people that clamor for "entitlements" that are
not properly funded, conceived, self-sustaining, or scalable.The
same arguments for artificially limiting how many immigrate into our current
system (and don't even get me started on the scapegoating and faulty logic
that attempts to assert that immigrants "steal" jobs rather than
creating them! If that were true we should have permanently closed the borders
as part of our declaration of independence in 1776) ... at any rate, those same
arguments are *precisely* the ones used in nations like China where forced
limits on childbirth are tyrannically enforced. We need to re-think our
socialist ponzi schemes - certainly - but limiting immigration won't solve
If you're not here legally then what are you? If you are from another
country, not a U.S. citizen and living here, then what are you? Get over the PC
nonsense. If the, whatever they're called, want to become citizens through
the legal process, I welcome them with open arms and I will call them Americans.
Doug B- We have a path to "legal immigration" in this country which
MILLIONS of people have successfully negotiated throughout the years.
Personally, I am glad it is difficult for people to get in. If we made it easy,
we would have even more uneducated, unskilled, desperately poor people to take
care of at taxpayers expense. As if we didn't already have enough of our
"Illegal immigrant" is the correct term for those foreigners who have
immigrated to this country ILLEGALLY, as compared to those foreigners who have
immigrated here LEGALLY.
For every "undocumented immigrant" there is one "unemployed
Is "illegal" offensive? If the shoe fits..
DougBEntitlement to the point that people come here illegally, and demand
citizenship? We are not living in 1890. Let's stop diverting the
conversation, those that come before, came honestly, many needed papers to land
at a port of entry to be processed. They had to apply for them in their old
country. They were moral people that came to build this land on principles. They
were not 11 million that came through the back door in the dark of night. Your
excuses don't justify their actions. The last two times people
demanded amnesty, we had reform in 1986, and 1996. Other than the amnesty(1986),
nothing happened. We don't need reform, we need enforcement to give the
young people in this country a chance, and let them inherit a decent country
founded on morals, honesty and following our laws. We don't need 11 million
teaching them that breaking the law is OK, and sometimes you get rewards. Half my family came here legally over the past 50 years (Mexico),
legally, and not all at once. Illegal immigration is a slap in the face to legal
immigrants. Stop making excuses, start preaching honesty.
Wow, the xenophobia, hatred, and baseless sense of "entitlement" here is
kinda shocking. While there are a small percentage of us whose family or
ancestors came to this country under our current hypocritical and byzantine
system, the vast majority of us came to America when they didn't check your
current wealth, education levels, and ability to name drop at the gate. *That*
was one of the primary foundations our nation. America was to be a land of
freedom and opportunity, not a land of scapegoats and frightened, hypocritical,
elitist whiners.Those that have found a way to comply with these new
centrally-planned mandates that artificially limit who can migrate here
"legally" -- but that support those restrictions -- remind me of the old
timers wryly commenting that "Back in my day half of us simply up and died
to childhood diseases and we *liked* it!"I strongly agree with
the commenter that pointed out that *actions* can be illegal, not *people*. All
you "illegal" drivers that dare cross a hair over 55 in construction
zones ought to take note, lest we physically brand you with the designation for
life.We need to simplify "legal" immigration and re-open it.
Everyone deserve compassion, including citizens of this country. A
person that comes here illegally for work is rewarded by allowing them to stay.
It's amnesty for their illegal working. Going with I am I, those who
support pro-illegal actions, need to start telling people to accept our laws and
I don't think the country needs immigration reform. I the people on the
outside just need to realize that there is system of due process that must take
place in order for people to immigrate and our politicians need to enforce the
established laws. We do this to ensure the safety of the Citizens of the Country
because after all they are the people the politicians swore to protect, not the
people on the outside. Yes we are all humans and deserve just and compassionate
treatment, but when push comes to shove politicians should protect citizens not
people who illegally cross borders.
The excessive usage of the word "slur", is taking away our freedom of
speech. Seems everything we say can be a slur.
I prefer the term "illegal alien" to that of Harry Reid, who called them
"Undocumented Americans" or Nancy Pelosi who referred to them as
"Very Patriotic."No thanks. I get nauseous when they spin me
And if Native Americans had not given help to the illegal aliens that came here,
but sent them back where they came from right away, where would everybody be who
had other ancestry? Me, I wouldn't be here. You? Bet not, either. Most of
you wouldn't be here, either. So think about that. And maybe if you do, you
can then start thinking that most of the people who come here come for the same
reasons our ancestor did. Get that? And children in arms, even older children,
obey parents, same as children almost always do, and have since time began. Got
that, too? So, who is so different from me or you, or those from whom we are
descended? No one.
How can we have both mercy and justice? JUSTICE:First, we
call them "(alleged) alien trespassers". That is about as neutral and
all encompassing as it gets. Next, we must have a nation-wide national
Resident ID card that can be swiped to electronically verify them. These would
be required for employment, banking, and all electronic (debit or credit)
financial transactions $20 or larger.Amend the law to say that only
children born in US to permanent legal residents may receive automatic
citizenship.Any felony by non-permanent legal residents is immediate
deportation (with family members, if desired).MERCY:Make acts
of violence motivated by hatred of alien trespassers a hate crime--stiffer
punishments.Allow alien trespassers to register with the government to
work legally and become probationary legal residents (non-voting), but the
probationary residents' incomes are taxed at higher than the normal rate (I
advocate 2x higher) for some length of time, say 5-10 years, as a reparation for
having breaking the law, until the time is fulfilled and (if there are no
felonies) they becomes permanent residents.They may apply for citizenship
once permanent legal residents, but they are processed "from the back of the
"The poison is effective," he wrote. "Surely it's no
coincidence that in 2010, hate crimes against Latinos made up 66 percent of the
violence based on ethnicity, up from 45 percent in 2009." What the
statistics don't show is how many of those crimes are Latino on Latino
Another accomplishment of the Robert's court,with intended consequences
that were known and planned. The SCOTUS continues in its quest to remake the
country into its image of compassion and humanity.
I am sure the "humanistic approach" by those afflicted with political
correctness obsession will soon be arguing for other euphemistic and
non-judgmental terms:Drug dealer = unlicensed pharmacistBank
robbery = undocumented withdrawal Car thief = transportation
redistribution specialistRapist = amorous adventurerNewspaper thief
= impoverished readerMurderer = expedited expirationalistLiar = one
who misremembers factsSadly, too many people lack the courage to
speak the truth, for fear of "offending" someone, and thereby standards
are diminished, and words become meaningless.
@RichardB, you can't find it, because the Supreme court never used
"undocumented immigrant" in their decision. They used eight or nine
"illegal alien", and mostly alien. The original article is
incorrect, and wasting our time with bad information.
Janet, calling names, such as being moral superior judging others without
knowing their immigration background, then condemning them for their anger?We have had comprehensive immigration reform in 1986, and 1996. They
changed nothing. They helped business with their flex labor plan of bringing
more people here. No enforcement came out of the laws. Maybe all we
have left is our anger.My background? half my relatives came here
from Mexico. They wouldn't come any other way. They stood in line, and
realized that supply of labor is greater than our countries demand, you wait
your turn, just like everything else.
"Undocumented immigrant" is also inaccurate, as many who reside here
intend to return, and would do so more readily if it were not so difficult to go
back and forth for work.I prefer "undocumented resident."
It is a kinder way of referring to those who would have been documented in the
first place if we hadn't been so selfish and short-sighted in the first
place. We, by not giving them the same privileges as our ancestors, are the
Can anyone point me to a copy of the Supreme court decision where it uses the
words "undocumented immigrant". I have read three versions (sites) and
not found it once? unauthorized alien 3 times, numerous use of
alien, twice it uses illegal alien with deportable alien, and removable
alien used twice. Are sites removing the " undocumented" or
was the story made up by Mr. Charles Garcia? DN, please let them post a link to
I am continually amazed by the attitude of moral superiority of those who
don't have the slightest grasp of immigration laws or the experiences of
immigrants -- documented or undocumented. We need well-thought-out, sane,
compassionate, and reasonable immigration reform. There are ways for mercy and
justice to collaborate, but not as long as we'd rather yell than talk and
not as long as hate, resentment, and pride trump humility and civility in the
public discourse. When you talk about illegal immigration, do you feel that
anger tightening your chest and welling up in your throat? I don't care
where you stand on the debate, that anger isn't righteous. And lest you
think I think I'm better than you are -- I have had to remind myself about
that a hundred times.
Murderer - One who murdersRapist - One that RapesDrug Dealer - One
that deals in drugsAddict - One that has an addiction.Speeder - One
who speedsThief - One that stealsIllegal Immigrant - One that
immigrates illegallyI am an admitted speeder. I have no issues with
someone calling me a speeder. The truth sometimes hurts.
If you can change the terms, you can change the perceptions. Words mean things.
There are different terms for different ways the law can be broken. The
person breaking the speed limit law is a speeder and is breaking a legal law.The burglar who breaks into your home is doing it illegally.There are
other terms for different lawbreakers, such as tax evaders, etc.The alien
who breaks the law by coming into this country through legal channels did not
just forget his papers, he is intending to be here illegally and by definition
is an illegal alien, period.
Orwellian doublespeak. Trying to divert the discussion from the illegal acts
they commit, and make us focus on word games.
Oh, good grief. Maybe--MAYBE--you can make a case that the term is inaccurate
legally. But, a slur? Seriously? I can think of a lot of terms for groups of
people that would be called slurs, but not the expression of status that covers
those from ANY country that broke laws to get here.
Can we trade some of these politicians, arguing over such idiotic things, for
some of the hardworking people trying to immigrate here leagally? "Undocumented" leads one to believe that they can cross over illegally
and become documented later. Call it what it is -- an unfair advantage for
those cheating in a broken system.
The Supreme Court got it right. Actions can be either legal or illegal. People
themselves shouldn't be catagorized that way.If somebody
hasn't paid their income taxes in a couple of years, they aren't an
illegal tax payer. They are simply somebody who is behind on their tax
payments. If somebody drives 65 in a 55 they aren't an illegal driver.
They're just somebody who is driving above the legal speed limit.Likewise, If somebody overstays their visa or enters the country without
obtaining one, they aren't illegal human beings. They are people without
Why have laws anymore? This is just anther step to open borders that many people
want. An actual war isn't needed to destroy a nation, it can be destroyed
from within, and in this case, by a flood of "illegal" aliens from many
countries and even those countries that want to see the U.S. destroyed. How many
other countries tolerate an influx of "illegals" like the United
States? Can't think of any at the moment. Many presidents and congresses
have ignored this problems for decades. President Obama sidestepped congress and
recently issued his own decree for younger aliens to have a pathway to remain
in this country. The Supreme Court acts on its own and congress has been
neutered. Can't see much hope ahead for us.
Maybe they should be labeled Alleged Illegal Immigrants until some court affirm
their 'illegalness'. There can be many undocumented immigrants, and
even then, that could be taken as some racial slur. Geeez....PC is going too
Ideally (since people aren't illegal how the article mentioned it)
it'd be something like "illegally immigrating immigrant" but
that's just messy (albeit more accurate).
a rose by any other name....
Drugs that are banned are illegal.Laws that are broken are illegal.Hitting a mailbox with a bat is illegal.A person who has no citizenship
yet lives here is illegal.Illegal is a pretty easy term to define.
This is another attempt by the left to divide and turn something into racism.
What a joke! Call a spade a spade. "Humanistic approach"? What about the
poeple trying to do it right and wait their turn? So humanistic!
I'm not sorry if accuracy, being matter-of-fact, or/and honesty are
offensive to you. If you immigrate by means other than what the established laws
require you have done so illegally. When did the United States government make
it a priority to protect non-citizens (particularly those that are,
undocumented-which isn't necessarily an accurate term-)over citizens at the
expense of the citizens? I'm with Emophiliac on this one.
It's not Illegal Immigrant. It should be Illegal Alien. Immigrants come
here with the intention of becoming citizens. Aliens have no such intent.
Alien is defined by Webster's as: a resident born in or belonging to
another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization. And
immigrant is defined as: a person who migrates to another country, usually for
permanent residence. Nowhere in that definition of immigrant does it mention
becoming a citizen!
The term is accurate. The people in question are not legally in the US and they
are not citizens. Thus, they are both here illegally and they are aliens.How about a story about how their presence and support for that presence
is offensive to citizens?