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Sad owners assess what to do next while others wait to learn of their property's fate

Published: Monday, June 25 2012 9:28 p.m. MDT

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Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

yes, common sense. Its not a 2nd ammendment issue. Its a common sense issue. Dry grass + hot metal/flame = fire.

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

Please do it, Governor, make them pay. There are accidents and there are acts of stupidity resulting in millions in damage.

RockOn
Spanish Fork, UT

Is there even a question, a remote thought that those who cause the fires through negligent or malicious behavior shouldn't lose everything they have to pay for their actions?

I'm a hunter, camper, and outdoor enthusiast. 99% of those I see would never do anything to purposefully cause a fire -- nor would they do anything foolish that caused a fire like shooting into a tinderbox dry area or using gasoline bombs or aerosol cans as targets for the thrill. Both of those circumstances resulted in massive fires. They have the culprits. They should be handed the bill for 100% of the damage and if it takes everything they own to pay for it, so be it.

shakespeare's fool
Pleasant Grove, UT

So here's the problem with the Governor's completely stupid comment.

A) Individuals don't have the money to really repay the costs, so acting like they do is just dumb.

B) The reason "We the people" created Government is to do the things that are difficult for us to do individually, ie, fight a fire.

It's offensive every time government tries to charge us for doing a job we already paid them to do.

ouisc
Farmington, UT

I hope the governor sees this through. We live in a desert state, which comes with it's own set of reponsibilities. It is not acceptable to be ignorant when we light fireworks, shoot our guns, light campfires, throw our cigarette butts out the window, etc.

"I didn't know" and "Kids will be kids" is simply not acceptable when lives and millions of dollars are at stake. Utahns need to be smarter and more aware. And perhaps a few lawsuits against responsible parties will help educate those who haven't yet learned better.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

This is the dumbest idea I have ever heard. That is like saying that if you get stuck hiking and need search and rescue then you have to pay for it. It doesn't make sense. Obviously the target shooters aren't very bright, but honestly people that dumb aren't going to have 2 quarters to rub together let alone 7 million dollars. We pay taxes for reasons just like this. Accidents happen. Maybe taking their guns away would be in order, but the government will never get 7 million out of anybody.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Perhaps a $5 per box user tax on ammo would help.

It doesn't impede the right to bear, keep, or use guns, so it's Constitutional;
just call it a $5 reminder NOT to be stupid with them -- and help cover the costs of that stupidity while not soaking the rest of us for it....

The Sound of Freedom
Layton, UT

Wow, shakespeare's tool.

Our society often uses financial means to enforce common sense. Think about traffic fines for speeding in school zones. Common sense would demand that you automatically slow down when children are present during school hours. Yet, we have the fools out there that just don't get it. We help them understand by making them pay a fine for going fast in school zones.

If you had to pay 10-20% of your monthly income FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE as restitution for starting a fire because you lacked common sense, I think you'd get the message. Not only would you get the message, but you'd help spread the word.

Finally, we do pay taxes to a government to provide certain services to us as a community. But, millions of dollars for fighting wild fires is simply not in the budget. I'm sure that we can arrange it, but fools like you would would complain about the higher taxes and debate having an account with millions just in case we have FIVE wild fires at a time.

Please don't live up to your DN moniker. Don't be a fool.

Penguin Inc.
Salt Lake City, Utah

This sounds to me like just another example of big government overreaching. Let the free market decide if people can't start fires or not. If the dry weeds burn, it's not the Governor's job to stop them. And if someone wants to shoot off their God given rights in the way of a gun, why, that's perfectly within their constitutional rights. Our land was built on freedom and liberty. These Salt Lake slick politicians can't tell us what to do. It's the nanny state. Leave it to the free market to decide.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

I wish people would use common sense, we'd avoid most of these fires.

Outside the stupidity of people we need better fire management strategies...we have created an environment waiting to explode due to all the fuel that's sitting out there. We need wildfires to burn up that fuel. It's time to rethink the 'put it out' fire arguement.

RGinSG
Saint George, UT

Yes, I think the "residents" really DO "resent" those who caused these fires, thus I suppose they are "resents."

Screaming that these people should pay the costs of fire suppression may make for political sound bites, but in reality knee jerk reactions aren't realistic. These folks can't pay in full, but they should pay with criminal records and stiff fines. The rest of us, like it or not, have to suck it up and share the costs. The only other alternative (maybe not entirely bad) would be to just let them burn while we watch our home owner policy premiums skyrocket.

So, um... if lightning strikes are "act of God" should we send a bill to God for those fires?

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Wow LDS Lib - something we agree on!

williary
Kearns, UT

How dare the government be instusive and ask its citizens to use a little common sense and not go out for target practice in the middle of an extremely dry desert.

Is there no end to their over reaching!

cjb
Bountiful, UT

A few years ago a guy who I commuted to work with told me that his kid was one of the boys who started a fire above Farmington UT. His boy was playing with fireworks and one of them got out of control and started the fire. He said 'they' were trying to get him to pay a (significant to him) portion of the fire fighting expenses.

A co-worker once told me his boy threw a snow ball and hit an other boy in the eye and did eye damage. They sued and got $80,000 damages which he had to pay.

I've thought how unfortunate to be a parent and then find out that your kid has done a significant amount of damage that you might have to pay for. Talk to your kids. Tell them to be careful and the consequences of various stupid acts.

Serenity
Manti, UT

Well the fires are still spreading and hard to contain. There has been a constant wind blowing in Sanpete county and the temperature is hot, hot and hot. There are lots of clouds in the sky but I think they are generated by the fire and don't have any water. The air is acrid and burns your throat. The fire is about 31 miles from us, but the air seems hotter than usual. Governor Herbert seemed a little uptight this morning and I don't blame him. People are loosing their homes and their livelihood. At least, so far, no one has been hurt in San Pete that we know of. The firefighters and other service personnel are doing an outstanding job. If the wind would die down, they would have this thing licked. I think though that the fire also generates wind. I know that many of us are praying for rain as well
as the safety of the firefighters.

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

Don't confuse penalizing negligent behavior with legitimate accidents or acts of nature. We still fight fires, regardless of their origin. Fines for starting fires with fireworks, target shooting, untended camp fires and other acknowledged high-risk activities is sound policy. The public has a right to penalize those who act with reckless disregard for the common safety.

emp1
Provo, UT

It is definitely unrealistic to expect someone to pay millions of dollars for causing a fire. I do agree with a high fine and long term community service.
How I view common sense and how you view common sense may be dependent on how we approach or react to the problem so asking a whole State to use common sense is also unrealistic and chaotic.

Governor, stop reacting and start thinking about clear detail laws that will help protect the people. That is common sense.

David B.
Cedar City, UT

I have to agree,you have to take personal responsibility for your actions as an adult and the same when your children do something stupid.Whether it be a campfire,target shootin/hunting or anything else.

utahhomegrown
Murrieta, CA

Gov is RIGHT in every aspect. Those who chose to disobey the law should be punished and should pay.
In addition to the cost of fighting the fires, innocent people have been miss-placed and perhaps lost property, livestock have suffered and died and who pays for that if there is any sort of re-payment for it if any??
It's all over the news that there are regulations in place regarding the dry conditions however those who are responsible choose not to adhere to the regulations.
The same thing as breaking a neighbors window playing or throwing a baseball and being irresponsible knowing that they shouldn't do it... they need to be responsible and pay for their actions. SIMPLE STUFF!! If you break the law there are consequences.

ironmania
San Diego, CA

There is nothing illegal about shooting. That is one of our enumerated rites from the bill of rites. Give these boys a brake -- they was just tryin to have a little fun on a hot summer day.

Everyone needs to chill out and realize that this fire is actually creating jobs for hundreds of unemployed firefighters. Those firefighters need to feed there families to.

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