I don't know. When I go into the Wells Fargo in Orem's Center Street,
and I feel like I am back in Southern California, it bothers me. It's not
as easy as bigotry, it's about protecting our way of life without the
quality of the community being driven to 3rd world standards. Take a tour of
many of San Diego's areas, and you'll see what happens. It's not
Why are we still debating the Mexican issue? The biggest story on the
immigration front is that Asians surpassed Hispanics as the largest group on
immigrants in 2010. BTW almost all Asian immigrants enter the US legally because
the border between China and California is 2000 miles wide and a mile deep. They
are taking high paying jobs because America can't educate enough of
it's children to meet the demand. The Mexican issue will take
care of itself. Most 2nd generation Mexicans I have known and grew up with are
extremely successful. People should be less worried about the welfare these
people are receiving and more concerned with preparing their children to compete
with these highly motivated individuals in the work force. I was
particularly amused at the quote: "it really bothers me when I
pick up something at the store and it's in a different language, because I
feel like when we're her in the United States I feel like things should be
in english". Come on, its 2012. The world is changing by leaps
and bounds. What people need to realize is that if they don't change,
they'll join the dinosaurs.
We try to guard our "borders" by fighting wars in Afghanistan and the
United States when the real "border war" should be taking place in the
Southwest United States. What is the National Guard up to? Why don't we
send them to the border? That is where the real war needs to be fought. We have
enough resources to enforce immigrating legally, why don't we put them to
I guess if you print lies, people are supposed to believe them. I don't
know where they get these polls but it is comical. So is the fact that Burbank,
the Chief of Police says are crime is low? I guess we don't watch the news
either or see that drugs run rampant in Utah, Cartel Operate in Utah and we are
being warned not to use our own mountains for fear of being shot by the Cartel.
I don't thin this article fools anyone.
Miss Molli has it right on the money.
This is actual news. More non-whites are pouring into Utah .... this is a big
deal for them.
It's Monday, so another pro-amnesty advocacy piece in the "news"
paper, instead of actual news."Diversity" is a meaningless
term invented by liberals to allow them to pursue racism on behalf of
minorities, probably to atone for their self-inflicted "white guilt."
The imaginary "benefits" of diversity are couched in feel-good terms
that no fair minded person could object to, but are unmeasurable fluff. Actual
harm from "diversity" is ignored, but the crime and fiscal costs are
real factors that cannot be hidden.Utah, Utahns, and Americans have
always welcomed immigrants who come here legally and are eager to be assimilated
into the uniquely American culture. However, the diversity fetish inhibits that
beneficial process and insists on retaining language, culture, values and
attitudes of "the old country" to the exclusion of American
counterparts. This Balkanization of American society destroys the opportunity
for immigrants to advance as part of the larger population, and is used by
liberals to keep them down on the "welfare plantation" and dependent on
government handouts, and thus reliable Democrat voters.Please get
back to reporting actual news. If anyone wants liberal activist propaganda,
another "news" source in Salt Lake excels at that.
I should be shocked at the bigotry I read on this comment board -- but alas, it
only goes to prove the facts and data presented in this DN article to an exact
tee!People SAY they are tolerant and diverse, but by their comments
and actions witnessed here, it's obvious they are not.Score 1
for the data, 0 for the bigots.
One major inconsistency in this article--illegal immigration IS a crime--the
crime statistics presented in this article are intentionally misleading. Also,
identity theft is on the rise in Utah, especially thanks to illegal immigration.
Is driving without insurance a crime? How about deserting the scene of an
automobile accident? I believe these rates are also increasing, but those are
inconvenient to discuss if you're trying to make a pre-determined point
This article puts me in mind of the old saying, "There are lies, darn lies,
and statistics." Someone should ask Burbank about the percentage of crimes
coming out of the immigrant community, as compared to their percentage of the
population. That is where you would get at the truth of the matter, not in the
misleading statistics he cites. After having sat in court during a few
arraignment sessions, and judging by who has come into my neighborhood recently
to commit crimes, I would suspect that commission of crime per capita amongst
the immigrants is relatively high. And, this business about the
supposed "benefits" of "diversity" can't be quantified or
proven objectively because it just isn't true, at least not in any way that
matters to the culture that is being "diversified." It puts me in mind
of the Orwellian mantra, "War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is
strength." It is propaganda fed to Westerners so they will submit to the
dissolution of their cultures. There is nothing wrong with immigration, so long
as it is accompanied by assimilation. Multiculturalism doesn't work,
except to cause all cultures to become more like the Third World.
gramma bOrem, UTInteresting that the picture accompanying the
article has people getting free medical service. I don't want people coming
to Utah who can't support themselves, and end up getting benefits I am
forced to pay for, I don't care what color their skin or how
"diverse" they are.Do a little research and you will find
that the Central City Community Health Center is not a free clinic. It is a
nonprofit, and provides affordable health care, not free health care. They
serve people of all backgrounds. While I am sure they do get some funding from
govt. sources, I doubt that you contribute any noticeable amount to it through
taxes that you personally pay.
I don't think diversity should be a goal. I believe in the melting pot. I welcome people of all races and nationality but I would like them to melt
into our society.For example, if you come here and form communities that
don't speak English then it is not diversity it is divisiveness. While you
can argue that diversity can add to a society, I don't believe that
divisiveness does any good. I also believe that diversity will happen naturally
over time.This is a difficult situation. You want the rule of law to
be followed and you don't want to encourage and reward illegal activity ...
But ... having millions of illegal people in our country creates an underclass.
It has to be dealt with in a way that will create a positive effect on our
society. Leaving people in an underclass is not right and is not beneficial to
society. I also don't want to live in a police state where people are
hunted down. We need a way to remove their ability to function here illegally
and streamline a way to legality. Three is nothing wrong with having more
productive people here.
Interesting that the picture accompanying the article has people getting free
medical service. I don't want people coming to Utah who can't support
themselves, and end up getting benefits I am forced to pay for, I don't
care what color their skin or how "diverse" they are.
The Deseret News is commonly known to be soft on illegal immigration due to the
often one sided nature of it's articles on the subject. Every week there
are articles about the hardships on families here illegally when immigration
laws are enforced. There are almost never any articles concerning the victims of
illegal immigration... such as those who have had their identity stolen and the
huge amounts of time and money it costs to correct those problems. It distinctly
seems one-sided. As such, it's difficult to put much credence in this
article. It somehow feels biased the way previous illegal immigration articles
usually appear. The SLC police chief is also known for his bias in this
issue... along with the DN. His pro-illegal immigration quote is repeated on
each page. Yet, he offers no numbers or statistics to back his claims. He
doesn't even consider the possibility that crime could be going down for
other factors, in spite of the growth of immigration. The DN doesn't
explore the possibility, either. An attempt at more balanced reporting would
help to make The Deseret News seem more objective than it now does to many
Utahans welcome diversity? What a joke! Yes, you do hear a bunch of hot air
when many Utahans are talking the talk, but when it comes down to it, its more
of a "not in my neighborhood" or "not in my City" attitude.
djc; lots of missionaries know the difference between legal and illegal. They
also know that polls don't contain facts. The deportation numbers are
twisted due to Obama's methods of counting, and half a million less illegal
aliens leaves us 11.5 million. Our military right now is 1,456,862 (active)
1,458,500 (reserve). 11.5 million is an invasion force larger than D-Day.
Utah's 110,000-150,000 is the size of the allied soldiers that landed on
D-day. Some of us have lived outside the state (Oakland) and see
what is coming. It's not diversity, it's a wedge driven by corruption.
Only 21% think illegal immigration is not serious. That says it all.
I live in a diverse neighborhood of 1300 or less sq/ft houses. Most of the
immigrants who live in my neighborhood are pleasant people who don't hassle
anyone. However there is an issue with over-crowding of the houses. 10 people
should not be allowed to live in a 1300 sq/ft house. I blame this mostly on
absentee landlords who are too cheap or greedy to hire a decent property
manager. The either don't know or don't care how many residents they
have living in their houses. In one house, the ceiling caved in because people
were sleeping in the attic and the rafters weren't strong enough to support
the weight. The landlord sent someone in to fix the ceiling and then turned
around and rented the property out to another group of 10 people. This sort of
activity has driven down the property values in my neighborhood.
It is interesting that the actual facts and figures give lie to the constant
drumbeat against "illegals" that is heard one talk radio. Diversity is
a good thing and broadening one's experiences is also good. Utah with its
high percentage of returned missionaries should be far more receptive to
immigrants then areas were people have never left the safety of their home town.
I welcome the facts given here and only wish that more people would read the
This nation must do away with the "anchor baby" twist that provides
auto-citizenship. This will go a long way in curbing illegal immigration.
Without it, the illegal immigration issues will never go away here. Face it,
Mexico, and the rest of the 3rd world, will never fix their problems. Few want
to stay and fix it.
The reality is this reads more like a political stance/opinion than a news
article. Get away from the politics and become a newspaper again, or
I will be forced to find my news elsewhere.
The great recession, people out of work, people dealing with identity theft, or
servicemen overseas. Why is the Deseret news and KSL obsessed with
illegal immigration articles? There are so many people out there who have not
broken laws that should be the subject of your compassion.
Mixing diversity with illegal immigration articles? Attitudes will change once
those here illegally are sent home. Right now, they color any poll.