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Published: Sunday, June 24 2012 1:40 p.m. MDT

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RRB
SLC, UT

"It also leaves out millions, including the parents and other relatives of the youths who qualify for the reprieve."

Here it comes. Outside the Supreme court on a plaque it reads " "Equal Justice Under Law" Obamas piecemeal executive order is just a part of the pro illegal agenda, that won't stop until they get amnesty for all and open borders.

Bryan
Syracuse, UT

The only "comprehensive" immigration reform this country needs is more and better enforcement. It's time to stop pandering to and rewarding those who break our laws. The only immigrants that should be in the United States are the ones who were admitted lawfully.

peter
Alpine, UT

According to this article, the MSM is finally holding the "president's" feet to the fire on an issue. Keep it up. You may have a chance to survive by regaining the trust you've lost in your readers.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Obama's policy : amnesty for all with a pledge for votes in next election.

Romney's policy : go back home and come to America the legal way

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

"Imperious immediacy of interest" is a frequent cause of unintended consequences.
And immigration reforms of the past are filled with both.
Let's not start a new cycle of unequaled unlawful presence by rewarding bad behavior.
The world is smaller due to air travel and technology. The next wave of third world illegal immigration will make the last 20 years look like a picnic. 165 million people would rather live here than their home country. 36 million Mexicans want to live here. Half of them don't care how they accomplish it.
Do we really want to signal a lack of resolve now just to get a few votes in November?
Just say no.

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

American need to realize that the USA's immigration policies, both illegal and LEGAL are one and the same: a massive, gradual, cheap-labor policy designed to give any employer (whether looking for blue-collar or white-collar workers) tons of options to underbid USA workers provide many options for employers to hire with wages that are well under market value. "If this means that millions of Americans be moved into unemployment to accomplish this task, then so be it" the policy states. Employers don't need illegal labor to accomplish this, although illegal labor is not beyond many of these employers' options. The legal immigration policies of the USA accomplish the same thing. For example, the H-1B visa is a visa that is used frequently in the information technology sector. Today, almost 40% of IT workers in the USA are foreign workers on the H-1B visa. Since this visa is owned by the employer, the employer has more direct control over the worker. This puts USA citizens at a distinct disadvantage, and hence employers almost always choose them over a competing USA worker.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Step right up folks I'll buy your votes. Thats right your vote will buy you a place in the system that gives you every thing you ever wanted. Free this Free that. Thats right folks step right up. Lines from the Snake oil salesman recipe.

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

More on visas:

Just over a decade ago, in the IT sector of the USA, around 20% were foreign workers on the H-1B visa. Now, just over a decade later, it is nearly double that - proof that the visa has and continues to be a program designed to move USA "free market" workers out of the technology field and into other fields, so that employers only have to hire "de facto" indentured servant foreign workers on visas. Again, these visas are owned by the employer and hence they control the worker much more.

I am not against workers coming to the USA to better their lives. And, certainly, legal immigration is preferable to illegal immigration. It is the non-free market, cheap-labor visa programs of the USA (employers and government - both created this) that are gradually moving USA workers into poverty by providing a non-free market solution (employer-owned visas) for employers to gain all the cheap labor they want.

People. This is your nation's "policies". These policies work against you, if you are an American worker. Legal or illegal, these policies are the same: cheap labor. These practices are not just in IT anymore.

RRB
SLC, UT

Adding to what Utes Fan said. Under Federal immigration and labor law a person from another country can only be hired if there are no Americans to take the job locally at market wages.

Not only is our government and business going after American families with illegal immigration, but they are not enforcing our legal visa laws.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Bryan is right the only reform we need is enforcement of our current laws. If we would simply enforce laws related to hiring undocumented workers the problem would be solved. Capitalism is built on the law of supply and demand. If we end the demand for cheap labor, the supply will also end. Lets go after the businesses that are causing the demand because they want to hire the cheapest labor possible. This way you won't even need a fence and we can put millions of Americans back to work. This is a win/win solution.

marcamus
goochland, va

Utes Fan and RRB,

Don't hate the immigrant. If an employer is exploiting the H1b or L visa, hate the employer, but not the immigrant.

I would suggest that legal immigration,especially the highly skilled are a net boon to the economy. They open businesses, create jobs, create technology that opens more businesses, and add beneficial diversity.

I personally know two businesses recently opened by foreigners on investment visas. Each employs numerous US citizens including providing jobs for teenagers desperate for summer work.

IT has been an area exploited with the H1b visa. USCIS is stepping up enforcement and also denying many visas to these IT sweatshops. Hopefully, such actions will free up the H1b for other businesses who will use the visa properly.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Romney is talking in code just like Obama when it comes to bringing in more needed workers.
Engineers, scientists and programmers all know what that means.
When are we going to see a candidate step forward with a bit of protectionism?

IdahoStranger
NEWDALE, ID

This idea that America should open its doors to anyone who wants to come here needs to be reconsidered.
Google "New Gumballs video" and see how immigration - even legal immigration - will never help
the worlds poor to achieve a better life. We actually do the poor a dis-service by taking the "cream of the crop" from other countries and bringing them to America.

If we truly want to help the poor and downtrodden, then we must help them in their own countries.

And we do not do that by giving them handouts. It doesn't work here and it won't work there.

Google "Immigration by the numbers video" to see how the numbers are overwhelming us and killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. Pretty soon, no more eggs and no more goose. We will be just like the countries that they came from.

Why doesn't immigration work like it did when our ancestors came? Because now we are a socialist welfare state and not the free enterprise nation that we once were. Too many safety nets for everyone, illegal or not.

Wake up America! Apply term limits this election.

IdahoStranger
NEWDALE, ID

@ Patriot
"Romney's policy : go back home and come to America the legal way"

I wish that I could be sure that this is really Romney's policy but I sadly suspect as time goes by
that we will see that Romney's policy will look too much like Obama's policy.

Google "Letter to Mitt Romney from fellow LDS member" to see why it is so hard to define the position of Mitt Romney.

Conservatives and especially LDS members will have a hard time this election of not "transferring their own positions" automatically onto Mitt Romney.

The sad thing is that it leaves us between a rock and a hard spot.

Better concentrate on the US House and Senate races as I don't think there is any salvation for our nation in the presidential election.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Immigration is a sensitive issue around the world. Governments become ruthless and their people cross the borders to get reprieve or die. They live in camps that are not worthy for rats and are treated not much better from their hosts. They live and die in squalor and little kids don't have much hope of getting to the age of six and if they live not getting educated or develop a skill for a job due to language differences. Our country is one of the last stars these people look at but can never get to. We offer hope and a desire for many to come. The issue of the H-1B visa will probably help in Utah county as most of the developers and programmers with Adobe have a variety of backgrounds in their employee and contractor names. Immigration is a tough topic as jobs and and lives are impacted since we have allowed people access to get her illegally. Utah is very susceptible to that as our State and Country was founded by people from all backgrounds. However, some illegals may be exploited and that is a sin and a crime but money is an immigration factor.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

The amnesty lobby has some powerful allies. La Raza tries to convince LEGAL hispanics that they should vote to allow continued freebies to the illegal alien trespassers.
The various small business lobbies also are putting a lot of their efforts into guaranteeing their continued exploitation of illegal aliens.

LEGAL hispanics don't want to support freeloaders any more than the rest of us, but the various lobbies are trying to make them think they should.

WHY the federal govt. doesn't ENFORCE e-verify (and other provisions)of federal laws also is mind boggling.

Romney campaigned on a "TOUGH STANCE" towards illegal alien trespassers. If he wants to change his mind, I for one will be voting for Ron Paul.

The situation is untenable, we actually have only about 1 or possibly 2 election cycles when the U.S. WILL BE a third world country similar to what the illegal trespassers are leaving.

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

@marcamus
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"Don't hate the immigrant. If an employer is exploiting the H1b or L visa, hate the employer, but not the immigrant.
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I stated already that I do not blame any foreign worker.

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"I would suggest that legal immigration,especially the highly skilled are a net boon to the economy. They open businesses, create jobs, create technology that opens more businesses, and add beneficial diversity."

Unfortunately, almost all of the visas are NOT used for that purpose. For every few businesses that are created by foreign workers there are hundreds of thousands of US workers who have been displaced and moved into unemployment by the visas. Remember, the economy can appear to be moving along with foreign workers, while US workers remain un-hired and unemployed. Don't fall for the trap pushed by CEOs that so-called "highly skilled" foreign workers are a net boon to the economy. Again, ALMOST ALL of the H-1B visas are used by average, every-day skilled foreign workers and Americans are passed over.

Nobel Prize Economist and free market champion Milton Friedman called the H-1B visa "a subsidy" given to employers.

DavidNichols
Gilbert, AZ

This is America's Darkest Hour.

The January 2008 Start of the E-verify Law, and the Hitleresque I.C.E. Deportattion/Incarceration Programs, which have persecuted Millions, and ripped apart thousands of Good, Hard working Parents from their legal Citizen Children.

January 2008 was also the Start of "The Great Recession/our new National Deficit."

The fact is the Hard Labor Immigrants gladly did for America was the very Foundation of our Strong Economy, and it supported all other American Jobs!

Fact: The Twenty-five year Period prior to the January 2008 start of the Mass Persecution/Exodus of Good Hispanic Immigrants, and their Families was "The Most Productive Time in Total U.S. History!

"America is great because it is good, when it ceases to be good, it ceases to be great."
Alex De Tocqueville

"Amnesty" is the "Basis" of Christianity!

Christ Died that all could receive "Amnesty"

All! Even un-documented Parents of our own Citizen Children!

To: Good, and Brotherhood.

C.T.R?

Does Choose The Right mean "Attrition", and to Starve away Good Human Beings, and our own Citizen Children?

We need to remember what it means to be an "American"

And/or a "Saint"?

sg
newhall, CA

Wow, nothing like turning to the dark side. I complete disagree with both Obama and Romney. Neither one gets it. Of all people, Romney should understand that by enforcing the current laws on immigration we show the world that our laws have substance. When we pick and chose the laws we will enforce, then our word means nothing. We will not be trusted as a country and neither will our leaders (if you can call them that). Let's begin by demanding Obama prove he is who he says he is. Is he legally here or is he too an illegal. He has never produced an authentic birth certificate or selective service card and he continues to use the social security number of someone else who lived in Connecticut. It's time to deny all illegals everything that is given to a citizen. Once they understand that they will get NOTHING, then perhaps the invasion will be curtailed and eventually stopped without mass deportations; however, let's not refrain from deporting; and how about cleaning out our prisons of the hundreds of thousands of illegals and shipping them back to their own countries and let them deal with them.

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