This OOC schedule list is very flawed. I think several schools have much tougher
tests than USC. The rest of the teams schedules are about the same with the
exception of OREGON. Huge fail on the schedule Oregon! The only defense for
Oregon's schedule is at least they get the horrible teams out of the way
early rather than play them in November like some other teams I know.
I must admit...with 2 cupcakes (Northern Colorado and BYU), Utah can't
argue with this rating of OOC. But the PAC-12 should make up overall.
"Utah's OOC is rated 10th (third easiest) in the Pac-12 by the Sporting
News."-----------How can that be since BYU fans tell
us everyday that they are a "storied" "top-25 program"?So another words Utah gains nothing by adding BYU to our schedule.Just for comparison it's still tougher than:Alabama's
OCC schedule: D2, D2, D2, Michigan on a natural site.Florida: D2, D2, D2,
WashingtonAt least we play Utah State on the road.
It is a terrible list. The only good team SC plays is ND, and Cuse is decent.
Stanford has relatively the same toughness with a bad SJSU, a sometimes decent
Duke, and the same ND, and they're 8. UW plays a top 5 LSU team and a
pretty good SDSU, and they're 5? Also, Dirk, this list has Utah ranked 9th,
not 10th. Misinformation abounds.
Uteology said,"How can that be since BYU fans tell us everyday
that they are a 'storied top-25 program'?So another words
Utah gains nothing by adding BYU to our schedule."-------------------------Hahaha! You Ute fans sure are funny.
Which team on your 2012 OOC schedule was ranked in the top-25 to finish last
season? Were you even ranked in the top-25? Just imagine if BYU wasn't on
your OOC schedule, you'd have the 12th hardest Pac-12 OOC schedule for
sure! And now all we hear is how Utah probably won't schedule BYU anymore.
Can't blame them, wouldn't want a perennial top-25 program on that OOC
schedule. That would make it too hard!!
@giantfanThe y was only ranked in the top 25 in 1 out of 3 of the
final polls. Please don't waste any more time trying to convince anyone
that your program is "storied" or a perennial top 25 team. They are well funded and most importantly they have a large built in fan base
but they haven't done anything relevant in college football in almost 30
years. Multiple Vegas bowl appearances don't count and if you really want
to pound your chest about 10 win seasons when it includes wins over the
Idaho's and other bottom feeder teams, then knock yourself out. Nobody
else is impressed.
Qwest said,"they haven't done anything relevant in college
football in almost 30 years"BYU has more top-25 finishes in the
last 30 years, in the last 20 years, and as many in the last 10 years as your
beloved Utes. I hardly think that makes them irrelevant, at least when compared
to you-know-who. Qwest said,"The y was only ranked
in the top 25 in 1 out of 3 of the final polls"What three polls
are you referring to? There are only two major polls that release a final poll,
as in after all the bowl games have been played. You probably knew that though,
right?I just get a good laugh when Utes try and pretend like BYU
doesn't mean anything to them, as displayed in this comment: "I must
admit...with 2 cupcakes (Northern Colorado and BYU)...". Hahaha, see what I
mean? Honestly though, where would Utah's OOC rating be amongst
Pac-12 programs without BYU on that schedule?
Qwest Perfected in response to @giantfan...WELL SAID!
@giantfanBYU was only ranked because AP #6 USC was ineligible in the
BCS coaches poll. Do some research to find out why.And Qwest is
correct, no one is impressed. Case in point:"Since 2008, the
Pac-12 is 17-31 (.354) against top-25 competition outside of the
conference...Colorado and Utah did not play any top-25 teams outside of the
Pac-12 last season, so their figures aren't included." -- Kevin
Gemmell | ESPN.com
@giantfanAP, USA Today and BCS polls all release a final poll. You
probably didn't know about the BCS poll - it is something the cougars
aren't familiar with.Also I never said byu doesn't mean
anything to me. I love seeing them get completely dismantled at home by the
Utes. I was referring to their lack of relevance at the national level.
Typically it is the teams who play in the BCS bowl games that that earn said
relevance. Not the teams that squeak into the top 25 poll.I hope
the rivalry continues but honestly I would also be fine with the Utes replacing
the y with Michigan.
And oregon states ooc, which also includes a ROAD game at BYU, is ranked 2nd
toughest. It isn't BYU dragging utah's schedule down, it is that d2
team and usu doing it. washington st has BYU as well and is ranked 10th, right
behind utah, and what do both of them have in common? That is right BYU is the
ONLY good team each plays. Their other ooc opponenets are atrocious. BYU is the
only thing keeping them from being ranked 11 and 12.LOL!
Oregon State is rated 2nd because of their game with Wisconsin, if you
couldn't tell. Also, as I pointed out, the list is very flawed anyway. Utah
is about where they should be, though, really not a tough OOC schedule on a
national level. Sammy and the duck busted... again!
"Just admit it Utesies, BYU is your lifeline." kennyGDeep
down in your tortured soul you know it's just the opposite. bYu needs Utah
more than ever. What's keeping the Y from becoming Rexburg part two is the
rivalry with the Utes. And the Utes are just about to drop the
"lifeline".Delicious, so very delicious. Bwahaaaahah
I always knew playing the bottom of the WAC made BYU's schedule tougher
@stgIt is wisconsin and BYU both. You see they rate the entire ooc
schedule, not just one game, and osu's 3rd game is a weakling. For both
utah and wsu the only good ooc game they play is BYU hence two dogs each and one
good team in BYU. In osu's case two good teams in BYU and wisnconsin and
only one dog. That makes then #2 in ooc schedule.When you have 2
teams that ifnsihed the previous season ranked on your schedule it is considered
much otugher than only having 1 team that was ranked. Frankly wihtout BYU on
their schedules utah and wsu would hve exactly nothing at all in ooc worth
mentioning. Of course all 3 of those pac12 teams games against BYU are slated
for national telecast on espn which just kinda proves the point. I'm stil
lwaiting to hear where that barnburner utah/northern colorado game is going to
Qwest also ran"BYU was only ranked in the top 25 in 1 out of 3
of the final polls..."And where was Utah ranked?BYU
Coaches #25, AP #26, Sagarin #34Utah Coaches/AP UNRANKED, Sagarin #39BYU EIGHTEEN Top 25 Finishes since 1977 (over 52%)Utah seven
Top 25 Finishes since 1977 (17%)Whine, deflect, justify, or spin it
anyway that helps you sleep at night, but BYU has been a perennial Top 25 for
the last 35 years, and continues to be (five Top 25 finishes in the last six
years). Even in their best decade ever, the Utes only managed four
Top 25 finishes, to BYU's five.I know it's hard for our
little brothers on the hill to accept, but even during the Bronco/Kyle era:Top 25 FinishesBronco 5Kyle 3Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 1It's easy to see why the Utes want to
drop the Cougars from their schedule; besides USC, BYU is the only perennial Top
25 team on their schedule.
Utah fans are too funny for words!!!Based on Sagarin's Ratings
for 2011#39 Utah's OOC schedule includes:#34
BYU(10-3)#80 USU(7-6)#209 NORTHERN COLORADO(0-11)Yet,
the kids on the hill try desperately to blame BYU for their bottom-feeder OOC
strength of schedule???It's truly mind-boggling the kinds of
mental gymnastics that must occur daily for the kids on the hill to produce such
QP"AP, USA Today and BCS polls all release a final poll. You
probably didn't know about the BCS poll - it is something the cougars
aren't familiar with."Since you seem to know sooooo much
about the BCS final poll:When is the BCS final poll released?Which team, BYU or Utah, has appeared in the BCS Final Top 25 more times
during the Bronco/Kyle era?*crickets*We know you
won't answer the questions, because the straight-forward answers would
completely invalidate your spin.
phoenixUtah has only finished in the Top 25 six times since 1977,
only five times in both polls - in fact, Utah has only finished in the Top 25 in
both polls five times in their entire history.It's easy to see
why Utah fans spend so much time trying desperately to minimize the polls, the
Utes are hardly ever ranked.
Hey BYU fans.......please list your quality wins from last year.....ill wait.
giantfan:"I just get a good laugh when Utes try and pretend like
BYU doesn't mean anything to them..."I get a good laugh
when Indy-WACey fans try to pretend like they DO! If the Y was such a
"meaningful" opponent, why aren't they on any of our future
schedules to date, despite there being PLENTY of openings on YOURS?It seems the U is more focused on getting a Home-&-Home series with
Michigan than we are with YOU! Good luck with your "Quest for
another Idaho state championship"!
Duckhunter:"I'm stil lwaiting to hear where that barnburner
utah/northern colorado game is going to be broadcast."I believe
that it had already been reported that it'll be broadcast on Thu, Aug.
30th, at 7:15 p.m. ET as the Pac-12 Network's inaugural game.
mussingaround:"Yet, the kids on the hill try desperately to
blame BYU for their bottom-feeder OOC strength of schedule???...It's truly
mind-boggling the kinds of mental gymnastics that must occur daily for the kids
on the hill to produce such mind-numbing spin."What you said
right there....THAT was spin. Here's the FACTs.(1) Last year,
your SOS WAS weak. According to Phil Steele, your Final SOS was ranked #102 out
of 120. Utah's was #48. When ONE team plays a #48 SOS, while the other
team plays a #102 SOS, the #48 team's fans can jeer. The #102 team's
fans cannot.(2) This year, Phil Steele ranks your preseason SOS at
#81, whereas he ranks the Utes at #63. So while OUR schedule looks to be a bit
easier than last, and yours looks to be more difficult, it's STILL
significantly WEAKER, and thus....you have no room to talk with respect to
schedule strength. Conversely, our fans can still jeer.(3)
"mind-boggling...kinds of mental gymnastics"??? That post made you
sound like a hypocrite. Typical of your fanbase.
There is an article on Yahoo Sports that ranks the U's out of conference
schedule 7th in the PAC 12 but frankly who cares? Lots of teams play a weak OOC
schedule (LSU opens with N. Texas, Oregon with Arkansas St.). I think it is
funny how the posts on most articles eventually generate into red vs. blue and
you see the same posts over and over again.
Who cares about OCC? Conf. play is the only thing that matters.
Duckhunter, in all honesty, I don't consider BYU to be a drag on
anyone's SOS, but they're really not much of a resume builder, either.
That's why Utah, with one actual SOS drag and two non-resume builders have
a bad SOS. If they were expected to be as good as you purport, Utah's SOS
would be higher than a few of those others with only one decent team.
DuckyBYU's value on an ooc schedule is nuetral at best. WSU and Utah
are not given much credit for playing BYU because BYU does not add or detract a
whole lot either way. The variable that sends Oregon St to the near top of this
list IS Wisconsin.Non of this matters, regardless of schedule BYU plays
for nothing and will be headed to the dirty diaper bowl after their first loss
while Utah does not even need to win their division to go to the Holiday or
Naval Vet and friendsExcuses, excuses, excuses... you're always
full of excuses...There's no award for SOS.Why is
BYU perennially ranked and Utah hardly ever ranked? Hint: Top 25 teams don't lose to BAD teams.Unranked teams lose to
them all the time.BYU was ranked in 2011 because all three of
BYU's loses were to Top 40 teams; BYU beat all of the mediocre/bad teams on
their schedule.Utah wasn't ranked in 2011 because two of
Utah's five losses were to teams with losing records, including 10-loss
Colorado, and two losses were to teams that finished barely above .500. Bronco was UNDEFEATED against MWC bottom-dwellers - UNM, Wyo, CSU, and
UNLVKyle lost to every one of them and is doing the same thing in
the PAC 12.Kyle has TWO losses to 10-loss teams.BYU only
has two losses to 10-loss teams in their entire history.Finishing in
the Top 25 has as much to do with who you don't lose to, as who you
beat.The proof is in final Top 25 finishesBronco 5Kyle
3Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 1
Two For Flinching"Who cares about OCC? Conf. play is the only
thing that matters."Who do you think you're kidding. Utah
fans are totally obsessed with their OOC win over BYU; it's the ONLY
highlight of their first year in the PAC 12.In the "only thing
that matters category" - Utah finished 8th in the conference with a losing
Kosta Fesenko"Hey BYU fans.......please list your quality wins
from last year....."I'll do better than that, I'll
list the quality wins for both BYU and UtahBYU: Tulsa(8-5) -
unranked in the final polls, but #35 SagarinUtah:BYU(10-3) -
#25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 SagarinSorry, but Georgia Tech was only
ranked #56 Sagarin, hardly worthy of a "quality" win, which should at
least require finishing in the top third of Div 1A teams - Top 40.---------------------------------Now, Utah fans.......please list
your quality losses from last year....."BYU's quality
losses:#17 Texas(8-5), #20 TCU(11-2), #39 Utah(8-5)Utah's
quality losses:*crickets*Here's little help, there were
only two:#6 USC(10-2), #38 California(7-6)
@mussingaroundYet Utah is about to drop BYU from its schedule. Fans
obviously enjoy beating their rival, but as far as Utah's season went the
accomplishment was completely irrelevant. I would rather lose to BYU and see
Utah win conf. than the other way around. One will most certainly end with Utah
being ranked and earning at least a Rose Bowl berth. Nobody cares about the
other because it doesn't matter.
In sports, you are only as good as your last game. So, in the
beehive rivalry, Utes rule. byu drools.
@mussing aroundI have no problem with you stating opinions even if I
think they are wrong but I do have a problem with posters that make up facts.
Utah did not finish 8th in the PAC 12 conference last year. First
that would be impossible because there are no overall conference standings and
only 6 teams in each division. Go to the PAC 12 website and look at the
official football standing before you blatently make up lies.You can
try to provide all the rationale you want to refute this post but it will simply
be your opinion. The PAC 12 standing show Utah tied for 3rd in the South
Division and actually list them ahead of ASU. There are no overall football
standings in the PAC 12.Hopefully the DN will view this post as it
is intended. I am not making a personal attack on your opinions but I am
stating that you quoted a 'fact' that does not exist.
CO Ute"Utah did not finish 8th in the PAC 12 conference last
year."Utah(4-5) only finished ahead of four teams in the PAC 12
- WSU(2-7), Ariz(2-7), Colo(2-7), and OSU(3-7), and LOST to the two teams the
Utes tied with - ASU(4-5) and Cal(4-5) - placing the Utes solidly in 8th place
in the PAC 12.ESPN and Yahoo BOTH list the Utes BEHIND ASU in the
PAC 12 South.
2 for"Yet Utah is about to drop BYU from its schedule. Fans
obviously enjoy beating their rival, but as far as Utah's season went the
accomplishment was completely irrelevant."Utah running away from
a perennial Top 25 team doesn't prove anything except Utah is scared of
losing to BYU. Beating BYU gave U your only highlight of the season; losing to
Colorado made U completely irrelevant.
Solomon7 out of 10. 54-10.Claiming Utah is scared is
laughable. The simple fact is that K-Whitt no longer sees playing BYU as a
priority and that his program will benefit more by playing games that will help
get his team ready for conf. play and help with recruiting. Also it's not
as if the rivalry game will never be played again. It just isn't reasonable
to continue it annually when Utah only has three OCC games.
Mussing around, Maybe I'm reading it wrong when you said, "Utah
finished 8th in the conference with a losing record.", but last I checked,
8-5 is a winning record. PLease, correct me if I am reading your comment wrong.
@stgYes top 25 teams are resume builders, and you ute "fans"
tell us that all of the time when you talk about 2008. Remember? utah
"fans" are always telling us how they beat 4 top 25 teams and one of
those top 25 teams was? Oh yes BYU. And remember you are always telling us how
BYU's FOOTBALL NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP is illegitimate because BYU
didn't beat any top 25 teams (except that they did they beat #3 ranked
Pitt)?This is like shooting fish in a barrel.LOL!
"Hey BYU fans.......please list your quality wins from last
year.....I'll wait" KostaLOL. It's been almost 7
hours and crickets.Even the most delusional bYu fan can't find
the logic in attempting to make a case for Tulsa.The reality is that bYu
didn't have a quality win last year.
DuckhunterWas that the same Pitt team that finished 3-7-1? Needless
to say they finished un-ranked which means BYU did not beat any ranked teams.
Also you claim to be the "balance" but I believe that if a Ute fans
started talking about Utah being ranked #6 in 2010 you would be the first one to
remind us of the losses Utah took after that point and that we did not finish
#6. In light of this hypocrisy I would have to say that you are not balance, but
rather an internet troll.
TwoferWho did Utah beat in 2004?Checking the record, the
Utes only beat THREE teams with winning records during the regular season: Texas A&M(7-5), @NM(7-5), and @Wyo(7-5)In 1984, BYU beat
FOUR teams with winning records during the regular season: Tulsa(6-5), @Hawaii(7-4), @Air Force(8-4), @Utah(6-5-1)Yet, Utah
fans whined incessantly about how "deserving" Utah was about being a
national championship contender, some even claiming that Utah actually won the
national championship because the Utes finished the season undefeated. Bottom-line: despite the spin from the hill, final rankings are the ONLY
rankings that count 1983 BYU #7/#71984 BYU #1/#11996 BYU
#5/#52004 Utah #4/#52008 Utah #2/#4Five of the
last 6 years, BYU has finished in the Top 25Utah has only finished
in the Top 25, 3 of the last 6 yearsWhich is more important, beating
a ranked team, or BEING a ranked team?
@two for flinchingSo you can no longer refute my logic and now have
to resort to calling names? That is what usually happens when a utah
"fan" loses a debate. LOL!And of course BYU did beat Pitt
when they were ranked #3 which started Pitt's slide. But to be honest with
you that really doesn't matter to me, what does matter is that BYU finished
ranked #1 in EVERY SINGLE POLL, which as you say is what matter's, how you
finish, and finishing #1 is what matters. LOL!You see utah
"fan" hypocrisy is fun to point out, when you think it suits your
argument like "utah beat 4 teams that finished ranked in 2008" then you
claim how a team finsihed in the rankings is all that matters. But when it
contradicts your argument like BYU finished ranked #1 in every major poll in
1984 and BYU finished ranked #25 in 2011, then you downplay the rankings as if
they are of no consequence.I love utah "fan" hypocrisy.LOL!
duckhunterI'm stil lwaiting to hear where that barnburner
utah/northern colorado game is going to be broadcast.Probably the
same place as your Weber State game
Duckhunter,No, BYU is not much of a resume builder, because they were not
ranked when Utah played them last year, nor will they be ranked, when Utah, WSU
or OSU play them. Hence, how Utah actually earned more in the polls from a last
second loss at USC than a 44 point win at BYU."So you can no
longer refute my logic and now have to resort to calling names? That is what
usually happens when a utah "fan" loses a debate. LOL!"Like when you resorted to calling me a nerd a few months back? So does that
make you a Utah "fan," or is that just typical BYU hypocrisy?
Duckhunter & Two For FlinchingUntil a playoff system, one could
argue each of your points. When I say playoff I'm talking 8 teams ... 4
teams won't change things much.Ute fans can quite reasonably
argue BYUs recent top 25 finishes are fluff ... same goes for the '84
season. However, until last year Utah and BYU always played similar schedules,
so my fellow Ute fans can complain but BYU still managed to make the top 25 more
often than Utah.The Ute argument last year and going forward is what
we've heard since 1984 ... "yeah, but who did they play???" People
want to complain about the BCS but let's look at that. BYU gets rewarded
with a NC for playing a WAC schedule? Programs like Oklahoma, Washington and
Florida then questioned what the reward was for playing in such difficult
conferences.In retrospect the 2004 Utes and 1984 Cougs played poor
schedules. Should either of them have finished so highly ranked?My
opinion ... BYU loses in a playoff in 1984. Utah loses in 2004 - tougher guess.
BYU in '96 and Utah in '08 - I'd have really liked to
have seen those teams compete in a playoff.
DuckhunterCouldn't agree more.Some Utah fans have
this myopic view of the world when it comes to resume building, assuming that
the only thing that anybody cares about is that one job where they earned rave
reviews, while pretending that those other 3 or 4 jobs from which they were
fired never existed.The reason Utah didn't finish in the Top 25
last year wasn't because their narrow loss to USC or their big win over BYU
didn't impress the votes, the reason Utah didn't get a single vote in
either of the polls is because Utah LOST to Colorado(3-10), to ASU(6-7), to
Cal(7-6), and to Wash(7-6).Beating a single ranked team, while
losing to several mediocre to bad teams, simply doesn't cut it in the
national polls.BYU seldom loses to bad teams = 18 lifetime Top 25
Finishes, 5 in the last 6 yearsUtah loses to bad teams frequently =
7 lifetime Top 25 Finishes, 3 in the last 6 yearsIt's as simple
motorbikeI agree that an 8- or 16-team playoff is the fairest format
for deciding a champion, but your SOS argument is fundamentally flawed in
assuming that simply playing a tougher SOS proves anything.Team #1
could be the best team in the country, by far, but with a mediocre SOS; while
Team #2 could be the 2nd best team with a stronger SOS. The only legitimate
conclusion that can be drawn from both teams going undefeated is that Team #1
wasn't as tested as Team #2, it doesn't prove that Team #2 was better
simply because they played a tougher SOS.In retrospect, Utah 2004,
in my opinion, was much better than Utah 2008, but never got a chance to prove
it because of a weaker SOS.BYU 1983 and BYU 1984 were essentially
the same team, with different starting quarterbacks; a team that won 24 straight
games and had back-to-back Top 7 finishes, with two road wins against Top 15
teams.BYU 1983, 1984 and 1996 and Utah 2004 were all good enough to
have had a legitimate chance of winning a national championship playoff.
@BlueCougI appreciate your comment and I agree.I think
you missed my point though, probably my fault.I was saying the same
thing you did ... essentially that until there's a legitimate playoff
situation that we'll always be guessing. I gave my OPINION on what I
thought of four different Utah and BYU teams, but heck if I know, there
wasn't a playoff. I actually suspect that you could be right about the 2004
Utah team ... I'd have loved to have seen them play USC, Auburn or Oklahoma
that year (the other undefeated teams going into BCS games).My point
was this, say USC, Oklahoma and Auburn all would've lost one game in 2004
... it would have been a tough pill to swallow for each of them to have seen
Utah rewarded with a national championship when Utah's schedule didn't
measure up. It's not to say they wouldn't have necessarily been
deserving, but those other teams would have viewed this as Utah backing their
way into a championship instead of truly playing their way into one.THIS is how Utah fans view BYUs top 25 ranking last year.
DuckhunterFor both utah and wsu the only good ooc game they play is
BYU hence two dogs each and one good team in BYU.-------Yet I am willing to bet Utah has a tougher time @Utah State than dismantling
BYU @RES. The fact is the two dogs are: Northern Colorado and BYU.
The difference between the 1984 BYU and 2004 Ute teams...Utah SOS
#67 vs. BYU SOS #90ishUtah took each team to the
woodshed, no game closer than 14 points vs.BYU had 5 games decided
by 7 or less pointsDid Utah deserve the NC with that schedule.
Nope. But they did deserve at least a BCS game against Auburn.
deductive reasoning:"Checking the record, the Utes only beat
THREE teams with winning records during the regular season...In 1984, BYU beat
FOUR..."So? What's your point? The Indy-WACers also
played a 13 game schedule due to their AWAY game at Hawai'i. The '04
Utes played 12. If you scratch your @Hawai'i game, you're back down
to beating only 3 teams with winning records.And if you DON'T
scratch Hawai'i, if you add up the entire win total of each of your 13
opponents, it's the same number of wins of each of Utah's TWELVE
opponents.There really is no way to hide how weak your SOS was back
in '84, so just give it up.P.S.: 2004 Utah > 1984
Indy-WACers.....just like 2004 MWC > 1984 WAC.
Uteology"The difference between the 1984 BYU and 2004 Ute
teams..."Sorry my myopic young friend, but the difference
between BYU 1984 and Utah 2004 had nothing to do with SOS.The real
difference was BYU 1984 was ranked #1 after the regular season and finished the
season on a 24-game winning streak dating back to the first game of 2003, a
season in which BYU beat two Top 13 teams on the road, #17/#13 UCLA and #13/#15
Air Force, to finish #7 in both polls. BYU had already established its
credentials as a legitimate national championship contender with FIVE Top 12
finishes in the previous six years.Utah 2004 was ranked #6 in the
final BCS standings after finishing #21 in both polls the previous season,
cracking the Top 25 for first time in almost a decade in 2003. Utah hadn't
established any credentials as a legitimate national championship contender.
Naval Vetlol at your crimson-glasses shaded analysisSince when do you give a team less credit for having one more victory? The
obvious team to scratch from BYU's schedule to even things out at 12 apiece
would have been BYU's last regular season opponent, Utah State(1-11), which
did absolutely nothing to improve BYU's record or national ranking, but did
scew BYU's overall SOS.Bottom-line:After a month of
more scrutiny than any #1-ranked team had ever received, BYU beat Michigan in
the Holiday Bowl and was selected CONCENSUS #1 by all five major selecting
organizations who selected a national champion in 1984, including the AP, which
selected Utah #4 in 2004, using the exact same criteria as they used in 1984.
Rockwell:"Since when do you give a team less credit for having
one more victory?"Ask "deductive reasoning" since
he's the one who said, "Checking the record, the Utes only beat THREE
teams with winning records during the regular season...In 1984, BYU beat FOUR
teams with winning records...". In "deductive reasoning's"
case, he suggested that -- to quote you -- "having one more victory" was
somehow an edge over Utah's much stronger 2004 SOS. "deductive
reasoning" ALSO attempts to discount Utah's win over our 4th opponent
with a winning record in 8-4 Pittsburgh. Since when do we give a team less
credit for beating their bowl opponent?"The obvious team to
scratch from BYU's schedule to even things out at 12 apiece would have been
BYU's last regular season opponent, Utah State..."No...the
OBVIOUS team to scratch would have been Hawai'i, because THAT was the
reason you played a 13-game schedule. Every team who plays AT Hawai'i is
permitted, per NCAA regulations, to schedule an additional Home game.The bottom line is your 13 opponents had the EXACT SAME win total as our 12
@The Sport AuthorityExcellent Analysis.I would add that
in '83 after BYU beat the eventual Pac 10 Champ UCLA, in their Rose Bowl
Home, UCLA then went on and beat #1 Ranked Illinois, in the Rose Bowl in
January.The great line of the day was that for over 2 Seasons-24
weeks....."Nobody Beat Anybody, That Beat BYU".The only people who disputed BYU's National Championship, were Jealous
Ute fans, Bryant Gumball and Barry Switzer.BYU was a "Unanimous
National Champion". Voted #1 by all 4 "Officially Sanctioned"
NCAA Polls.CoachesAPNFFFWAAOnly 19 D-1
"Programs" have ever been declared National Champions....UNANIMOUSLY.Poor Ute Fan....Has just never recovered.... And they
endlessly try to convince themselves that only 6 good years, equates to
BYU's Major Accomplishments over Generations.And then to have
all that followed with BYU having a Heisman Trophy Winner, Outland's and
Davey O'Brien's, Doak Walker and Sammy Baugh Trophies, among their 17
National Award Winners (Utah has never had One)....It's just more than
Uteville can stand.Super Bowl, NFL MVP's and College Hall of
Famers to Boot......Oh The Humanity!!!
Congrats Bluto. That's awesome and we're all so happy for you.
@mussingaround Lets look at the last ten years
Utah 2 top 5 finishes (2004 #4 AP #5 coaches 2008 #2 AP #4 coaches) 3
top 25 (2003 #21 AP #21 coaches 2009 #18 AP #18 coaches 2010 #23
coaches) BYU 0 top 10 finishes 6 top 25 finishes (2001 #25 AP #24
coaches 2006 #16 AP #15 coaches 2007 #14 AP #14 coaches 2008 #25 AP #21
coaches 2009 #12 AP #12 coaches 2011 unranked AP #25 coaches) I'll take the Utes record for the last ten like the PAC did.
Utah has little to gain from scheduling "lowly BYU" Except when they
lose, they reflect negatively on the PAC 12. Lenny you were right, Utah will be
pumping our gas. I take unleaded...fill er up. Hey when you need an instate loss
come on down to Provo, we'll help you out. Meanwhile see if you can beat
Colorado, it's only for a place in the playoff game, against the second
worse PAC 12 team.