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Published: Friday, June 22 2012 10:40 a.m. MDT

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Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

giantfan:

"I just get a good laugh when Utes try and pretend like BYU doesn't mean anything to them..."

I get a good laugh when Indy-WACey fans try to pretend like they DO! If the Y was such a "meaningful" opponent, why aren't they on any of our future schedules to date, despite there being PLENTY of openings on YOURS?

It seems the U is more focused on getting a Home-&-Home series with Michigan than we are with YOU!

Good luck with your "Quest for another Idaho state championship"!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Duckhunter:

"I'm stil lwaiting to hear where that barnburner utah/northern colorado game is going to be broadcast."

I believe that it had already been reported that it'll be broadcast on Thu, Aug. 30th, at 7:15 p.m. ET as the Pac-12 Network's inaugural game.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

mussingaround:

"Yet, the kids on the hill try desperately to blame BYU for their bottom-feeder OOC strength of schedule???...It's truly mind-boggling the kinds of mental gymnastics that must occur daily for the kids on the hill to produce such mind-numbing spin."

What you said right there....THAT was spin. Here's the FACTs.

(1) Last year, your SOS WAS weak. According to Phil Steele, your Final SOS was ranked #102 out of 120. Utah's was #48. When ONE team plays a #48 SOS, while the other team plays a #102 SOS, the #48 team's fans can jeer. The #102 team's fans cannot.

(2) This year, Phil Steele ranks your preseason SOS at #81, whereas he ranks the Utes at #63. So while OUR schedule looks to be a bit easier than last, and yours looks to be more difficult, it's STILL significantly WEAKER, and thus....you have no room to talk with respect to schedule strength. Conversely, our fans can still jeer.

(3) "mind-boggling...kinds of mental gymnastics"??? That post made you sound like a hypocrite. Typical of your fanbase.

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

There is an article on Yahoo Sports that ranks the U's out of conference schedule 7th in the PAC 12 but frankly who cares? Lots of teams play a weak OOC schedule (LSU opens with N. Texas, Oregon with Arkansas St.). I think it is funny how the posts on most articles eventually generate into red vs. blue and you see the same posts over and over again.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Who cares about OCC? Conf. play is the only thing that matters.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Duckhunter, in all honesty, I don't consider BYU to be a drag on anyone's SOS, but they're really not much of a resume builder, either. That's why Utah, with one actual SOS drag and two non-resume builders have a bad SOS. If they were expected to be as good as you purport, Utah's SOS would be higher than a few of those others with only one decent team.

gonefishn
Salt Lake City, UT

Ducky
BYU's value on an ooc schedule is nuetral at best. WSU and Utah are not given much credit for playing BYU because BYU does not add or detract a whole lot either way. The variable that sends Oregon St to the near top of this list IS Wisconsin.
Non of this matters, regardless of schedule BYU plays for nothing and will be headed to the dirty diaper bowl after their first loss while Utah does not even need to win their division to go to the Holiday or Alamo Bowl.

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

Naval Vet and friends

Excuses, excuses, excuses... you're always full of excuses...

There's no award for SOS.

Why is BYU perennially ranked and Utah hardly ever ranked?

Hint:

Top 25 teams don't lose to BAD teams.

Unranked teams lose to them all the time.

BYU was ranked in 2011 because all three of BYU's loses were to Top 40 teams; BYU beat all of the mediocre/bad teams on their schedule.

Utah wasn't ranked in 2011 because two of Utah's five losses were to teams with losing records, including 10-loss Colorado, and two losses were to teams that finished barely above .500.

Bronco was UNDEFEATED against MWC bottom-dwellers - UNM, Wyo, CSU, and UNLV

Kyle lost to every one of them and is doing the same thing in the PAC 12.

Kyle has TWO losses to 10-loss teams.

BYU only has two losses to 10-loss teams in their entire history.

Finishing in the Top 25 has as much to do with who you don't lose to, as who you beat.

The proof is in final Top 25 finishes
Bronco 5
Kyle 3

Top 15 Finishes
Bronco 3
Kyle 1

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

Two For Flinching

"Who cares about OCC? Conf. play is the only thing that matters."

Who do you think you're kidding. Utah fans are totally obsessed with their OOC win over BYU; it's the ONLY highlight of their first year in the PAC 12.

In the "only thing that matters category" - Utah finished 8th in the conference with a losing record.

Jealous U
Alpine, UT

Kosta Fesenko

"Hey BYU fans.......please list your quality wins from last year....."

I'll do better than that, I'll list the quality wins for both BYU and Utah

BYU:
Tulsa(8-5) - unranked in the final polls, but #35 Sagarin

Utah:
BYU(10-3) - #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 Sagarin

Sorry, but Georgia Tech was only ranked #56 Sagarin, hardly worthy of a "quality" win, which should at least require finishing in the top third of Div 1A teams - Top 40.

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Now, Utah fans.......please list your quality losses from last year....."

BYU's quality losses:
#17 Texas(8-5), #20 TCU(11-2), #39 Utah(8-5)

Utah's quality losses:
*crickets*

Here's little help, there were only two:
#6 USC(10-2), #38 California(7-6)

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@mussingaround

Yet Utah is about to drop BYU from its schedule. Fans obviously enjoy beating their rival, but as far as Utah's season went the accomplishment was completely irrelevant. I would rather lose to BYU and see Utah win conf. than the other way around. One will most certainly end with Utah being ranked and earning at least a Rose Bowl berth. Nobody cares about the other because it doesn't matter.

Wally West
SLC, UT

In sports, you are only as good as your last game.

So, in the beehive rivalry, Utes rule. byu drools.

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

@mussing around

I have no problem with you stating opinions even if I think they are wrong but I do have a problem with posters that make up facts.

Utah did not finish 8th in the PAC 12 conference last year. First that would be impossible because there are no overall conference standings and only 6 teams in each division. Go to the PAC 12 website and look at the official football standing before you blatently make up lies.

You can try to provide all the rationale you want to refute this post but it will simply be your opinion. The PAC 12 standing show Utah tied for 3rd in the South Division and actually list them ahead of ASU. There are no overall football standings in the PAC 12.

Hopefully the DN will view this post as it is intended. I am not making a personal attack on your opinions but I am stating that you quoted a 'fact' that does not exist.

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

CO Ute

"Utah did not finish 8th in the PAC 12 conference last year."

Utah(4-5) only finished ahead of four teams in the PAC 12 - WSU(2-7), Ariz(2-7), Colo(2-7), and OSU(3-7), and LOST to the two teams the Utes tied with - ASU(4-5) and Cal(4-5) - placing the Utes solidly in 8th place in the PAC 12.

ESPN and Yahoo BOTH list the Utes BEHIND ASU in the PAC 12 South.

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

2 for

"Yet Utah is about to drop BYU from its schedule. Fans obviously enjoy beating their rival, but as far as Utah's season went the accomplishment was completely irrelevant."

Utah running away from a perennial Top 25 team doesn't prove anything except Utah is scared of losing to BYU. Beating BYU gave U your only highlight of the season; losing to Colorado made U completely irrelevant.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Solomon

7 out of 10. 54-10.

Claiming Utah is scared is laughable. The simple fact is that K-Whitt no longer sees playing BYU as a priority and that his program will benefit more by playing games that will help get his team ready for conf. play and help with recruiting. Also it's not as if the rivalry game will never be played again. It just isn't reasonable to continue it annually when Utah only has three OCC games.

wvc-utefan
west valley city, ut

Mussing around, Maybe I'm reading it wrong when you said, "Utah finished 8th in the conference with a losing record.", but last I checked, 8-5 is a winning record. PLease, correct me if I am reading your comment wrong.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@stg

Yes top 25 teams are resume builders, and you ute "fans" tell us that all of the time when you talk about 2008. Remember? utah "fans" are always telling us how they beat 4 top 25 teams and one of those top 25 teams was? Oh yes BYU. And remember you are always telling us how BYU's FOOTBALL NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP is illegitimate because BYU didn't beat any top 25 teams (except that they did they beat #3 ranked Pitt)?

This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

LOL!

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

"Hey BYU fans.......please list your quality wins from last year.....I'll wait" Kosta

LOL. It's been almost 7 hours and crickets.

Even the most delusional bYu fan can't find the logic in attempting to make a case for Tulsa.The reality is that bYu didn't have a quality win last year.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter

Was that the same Pitt team that finished 3-7-1? Needless to say they finished un-ranked which means BYU did not beat any ranked teams. Also you claim to be the "balance" but I believe that if a Ute fans started talking about Utah being ranked #6 in 2010 you would be the first one to remind us of the losses Utah took after that point and that we did not finish #6. In light of this hypocrisy I would have to say that you are not balance, but rather an internet troll.

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