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  • DrTpayne Vista, CA
    July 11, 2012 11:41 p.m.

    Utah has little to gain from scheduling "lowly BYU" Except when they lose, they reflect negatively on the PAC 12. Lenny you were right, Utah will be pumping our gas. I take unleaded...fill er up. Hey when you need an instate loss come on down to Provo, we'll help you out. Meanwhile see if you can beat Colorado, it's only for a place in the playoff game, against the second worse PAC 12 team.

  • raisedaute Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 26, 2012 11:06 p.m.

    @mussingaround

    Lets look at the last ten years

    Utah 2 top 5 finishes (2004 #4 AP #5 coaches 2008 #2 AP #4 coaches) 3
    top 25 (2003 #21 AP #21 coaches 2009 #18 AP #18 coaches 2010 #23
    coaches)

    BYU 0 top 10 finishes 6 top 25 finishes (2001 #25 AP #24 coaches 2006
    #16 AP #15 coaches 2007 #14 AP #14 coaches 2008 #25 AP #21 coaches 2009
    #12 AP #12 coaches 2011 unranked AP #25 coaches)

    I'll take the Utes record for the last ten like the PAC did.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 26, 2012 1:25 p.m.

    Congrats Bluto. That's awesome and we're all so happy for you.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 26, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    @The Sport Authority

    Excellent Analysis.

    I would add that in '83 after BYU beat the eventual Pac 10 Champ UCLA, in their Rose Bowl Home, UCLA then went on and beat #1 Ranked Illinois, in the Rose Bowl in January.

    The great line of the day was that for over 2 Seasons-24 weeks.....

    "Nobody Beat Anybody, That Beat BYU".

    The only people who disputed BYU's National Championship, were Jealous Ute fans, Bryant Gumball and Barry Switzer.

    BYU was a "Unanimous National Champion".
    Voted #1 by all 4 "Officially Sanctioned" NCAA Polls.

    Coaches
    AP
    NFF
    FWAA

    Only 19 D-1 "Programs" have ever been declared National Champions....UNANIMOUSLY.

    Poor Ute Fan....Has just never recovered....

    And they endlessly try to convince themselves that only 6 good years, equates to BYU's Major Accomplishments over Generations.

    And then to have all that followed with BYU having a Heisman Trophy Winner, Outland's and Davey O'Brien's, Doak Walker and Sammy Baugh Trophies, among their 17 National Award Winners (Utah has never had One)....It's just more than Uteville can stand.

    Super Bowl, NFL MVP's and College Hall of Famers to Boot......

    Oh The Humanity!!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2012 6:30 a.m.

    Rockwell:

    "Since when do you give a team less credit for having one more victory?"

    Ask "deductive reasoning" since he's the one who said, "Checking the record, the Utes only beat THREE teams with winning records during the regular season...In 1984, BYU beat FOUR teams with winning records...". In "deductive reasoning's" case, he suggested that -- to quote you -- "having one more victory" was somehow an edge over Utah's much stronger 2004 SOS. "deductive reasoning" ALSO attempts to discount Utah's win over our 4th opponent with a winning record in 8-4 Pittsburgh. Since when do we give a team less credit for beating their bowl opponent?

    "The obvious team to scratch from BYU's schedule to even things out at 12 apiece would have been BYU's last regular season opponent, Utah State..."

    No...the OBVIOUS team to scratch would have been Hawai'i, because THAT was the reason you played a 13-game schedule. Every team who plays AT Hawai'i is permitted, per NCAA regulations, to schedule an additional Home game.

    The bottom line is your 13 opponents had the EXACT SAME win total as our 12 opponents.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 25, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    lol at your crimson-glasses shaded analysis

    Since when do you give a team less credit for having one more victory? The obvious team to scratch from BYU's schedule to even things out at 12 apiece would have been BYU's last regular season opponent, Utah State(1-11), which did absolutely nothing to improve BYU's record or national ranking, but did scew BYU's overall SOS.

    Bottom-line:

    After a month of more scrutiny than any #1-ranked team had ever received, BYU beat Michigan in the Holiday Bowl and was selected CONCENSUS #1 by all five major selecting organizations who selected a national champion in 1984, including the AP, which selected Utah #4 in 2004, using the exact same criteria as they used in 1984.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 25, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    Uteology

    "The difference between the 1984 BYU and 2004 Ute teams..."

    Sorry my myopic young friend, but the difference between BYU 1984 and Utah 2004 had nothing to do with SOS.

    The real difference was BYU 1984 was ranked #1 after the regular season and finished the season on a 24-game winning streak dating back to the first game of 2003, a season in which BYU beat two Top 13 teams on the road, #17/#13 UCLA and #13/#15 Air Force, to finish #7 in both polls. BYU had already established its credentials as a legitimate national championship contender with FIVE Top 12 finishes in the previous six years.

    Utah 2004 was ranked #6 in the final BCS standings after finishing #21 in both polls the previous season, cracking the Top 25 for first time in almost a decade in 2003. Utah hadn't established any credentials as a legitimate national championship contender.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 25, 2012 2:42 p.m.

    deductive reasoning:

    "Checking the record, the Utes only beat THREE teams with winning records during the regular season...In 1984, BYU beat FOUR..."

    So? What's your point? The Indy-WACers also played a 13 game schedule due to their AWAY game at Hawai'i. The '04 Utes played 12. If you scratch your @Hawai'i game, you're back down to beating only 3 teams with winning records.

    And if you DON'T scratch Hawai'i, if you add up the entire win total of each of your 13 opponents, it's the same number of wins of each of Utah's TWELVE opponents.

    There really is no way to hide how weak your SOS was back in '84, so just give it up.

    P.S.: 2004 Utah > 1984 Indy-WACers.....just like 2004 MWC > 1984 WAC.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 25, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    The difference between the 1984 BYU and 2004 Ute teams...

    Utah SOS #67
    vs.
    BYU SOS #90ish

    Utah took each team to the woodshed, no game closer than 14 points
    vs.
    BYU had 5 games decided by 7 or less points

    Did Utah deserve the NC with that schedule. Nope.
    But they did deserve at least a BCS game against Auburn.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 25, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    For both utah and wsu the only good ooc game they play is BYU hence two dogs each and one good team in BYU.

    -------

    Yet I am willing to bet Utah has a tougher time @Utah State than dismantling BYU @RES. The fact is the two dogs are: Northern Colorado and BYU.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 25, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    @BlueCoug

    I appreciate your comment and I agree.

    I think you missed my point though, probably my fault.

    I was saying the same thing you did ... essentially that until there's a legitimate playoff situation that we'll always be guessing. I gave my OPINION on what I thought of four different Utah and BYU teams, but heck if I know, there wasn't a playoff. I actually suspect that you could be right about the 2004 Utah team ... I'd have loved to have seen them play USC, Auburn or Oklahoma that year (the other undefeated teams going into BCS games).

    My point was this, say USC, Oklahoma and Auburn all would've lost one game in 2004 ... it would have been a tough pill to swallow for each of them to have seen Utah rewarded with a national championship when Utah's schedule didn't measure up. It's not to say they wouldn't have necessarily been deserving, but those other teams would have viewed this as Utah backing their way into a championship instead of truly playing their way into one.

    THIS is how Utah fans view BYUs top 25 ranking last year.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    June 25, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    motorbike

    I agree that an 8- or 16-team playoff is the fairest format for deciding a champion, but your SOS argument is fundamentally flawed in assuming that simply playing a tougher SOS proves anything.

    Team #1 could be the best team in the country, by far, but with a mediocre SOS; while Team #2 could be the 2nd best team with a stronger SOS. The only legitimate conclusion that can be drawn from both teams going undefeated is that Team #1 wasn't as tested as Team #2, it doesn't prove that Team #2 was better simply because they played a tougher SOS.

    In retrospect, Utah 2004, in my opinion, was much better than Utah 2008, but never got a chance to prove it because of a weaker SOS.

    BYU 1983 and BYU 1984 were essentially the same team, with different starting quarterbacks; a team that won 24 straight games and had back-to-back Top 7 finishes, with two road wins against Top 15 teams.

    BYU 1983, 1984 and 1996 and Utah 2004 were all good enough to have had a legitimate chance of winning a national championship playoff.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 25, 2012 12:31 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    Couldn't agree more.

    Some Utah fans have this myopic view of the world when it comes to resume building, assuming that the only thing that anybody cares about is that one job where they earned rave reviews, while pretending that those other 3 or 4 jobs from which they were fired never existed.

    The reason Utah didn't finish in the Top 25 last year wasn't because their narrow loss to USC or their big win over BYU didn't impress the votes, the reason Utah didn't get a single vote in either of the polls is because Utah LOST to Colorado(3-10), to ASU(6-7), to Cal(7-6), and to Wash(7-6).

    Beating a single ranked team, while losing to several mediocre to bad teams, simply doesn't cut it in the national polls.

    BYU seldom loses to bad teams = 18 lifetime Top 25 Finishes, 5 in the last 6 years

    Utah loses to bad teams frequently = 7 lifetime Top 25 Finishes, 3 in the last 6 years

    It's as simple as that.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 25, 2012 12:13 p.m.

    Duckhunter & Two For Flinching

    Until a playoff system, one could argue each of your points. When I say playoff I'm talking 8 teams ... 4 teams won't change things much.

    Ute fans can quite reasonably argue BYUs recent top 25 finishes are fluff ... same goes for the '84 season. However, until last year Utah and BYU always played similar schedules, so my fellow Ute fans can complain but BYU still managed to make the top 25 more often than Utah.

    The Ute argument last year and going forward is what we've heard since 1984 ... "yeah, but who did they play???" People want to complain about the BCS but let's look at that. BYU gets rewarded with a NC for playing a WAC schedule? Programs like Oklahoma, Washington and Florida then questioned what the reward was for playing in such difficult conferences.

    In retrospect the 2004 Utes and 1984 Cougs played poor schedules. Should either of them have finished so highly ranked?

    My opinion ... BYU loses in a playoff in 1984. Utah loses in 2004 - tougher guess.

    BYU in '96 and Utah in '08 - I'd have really liked to have seen those teams compete in a playoff.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 25, 2012 11:50 a.m.

    Duckhunter,
    No, BYU is not much of a resume builder, because they were not ranked when Utah played them last year, nor will they be ranked, when Utah, WSU or OSU play them. Hence, how Utah actually earned more in the polls from a last second loss at USC than a 44 point win at BYU.

    "So you can no longer refute my logic and now have to resort to calling names? That is what usually happens when a utah "fan" loses a debate. LOL!"

    Like when you resorted to calling me a nerd a few months back? So does that make you a Utah "fan," or is that just typical BYU hypocrisy?

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 25, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    duckhunter

    I'm stil lwaiting to hear where that barnburner utah/northern colorado game is going to be broadcast.

    Probably the same place as your Weber State game

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 25, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    @two for flinching

    So you can no longer refute my logic and now have to resort to calling names? That is what usually happens when a utah "fan" loses a debate. LOL!

    And of course BYU did beat Pitt when they were ranked #3 which started Pitt's slide. But to be honest with you that really doesn't matter to me, what does matter is that BYU finished ranked #1 in EVERY SINGLE POLL, which as you say is what matter's, how you finish, and finishing #1 is what matters. LOL!

    You see utah "fan" hypocrisy is fun to point out, when you think it suits your argument like "utah beat 4 teams that finished ranked in 2008" then you claim how a team finsihed in the rankings is all that matters. But when it contradicts your argument like BYU finished ranked #1 in every major poll in 1984 and BYU finished ranked #25 in 2011, then you downplay the rankings as if they are of no consequence.

    I love utah "fan" hypocrisy.

    LOL!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 25, 2012 6:58 a.m.

    Twofer

    Who did Utah beat in 2004?

    Checking the record, the Utes only beat THREE teams with winning records during the regular season:

    Texas A&M(7-5), @NM(7-5), and @Wyo(7-5)

    In 1984, BYU beat FOUR teams with winning records during the regular season:

    Tulsa(6-5), @Hawaii(7-4), @Air Force(8-4), @Utah(6-5-1)

    Yet, Utah fans whined incessantly about how "deserving" Utah was about being a national championship contender, some even claiming that Utah actually won the national championship because the Utes finished the season undefeated.

    Bottom-line: despite the spin from the hill, final rankings are the ONLY rankings that count

    1983 BYU #7/#7
    1984 BYU #1/#1
    1996 BYU #5/#5

    2004 Utah #4/#5
    2008 Utah #2/#4

    Five of the last 6 years, BYU has finished in the Top 25

    Utah has only finished in the Top 25, 3 of the last 6 years

    Which is more important, beating a ranked team, or BEING a ranked team?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2012 10:26 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    Was that the same Pitt team that finished 3-7-1? Needless to say they finished un-ranked which means BYU did not beat any ranked teams. Also you claim to be the "balance" but I believe that if a Ute fans started talking about Utah being ranked #6 in 2010 you would be the first one to remind us of the losses Utah took after that point and that we did not finish #6. In light of this hypocrisy I would have to say that you are not balance, but rather an internet troll.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 24, 2012 6:57 p.m.

    "Hey BYU fans.......please list your quality wins from last year.....I'll wait" Kosta

    LOL. It's been almost 7 hours and crickets.

    Even the most delusional bYu fan can't find the logic in attempting to make a case for Tulsa.The reality is that bYu didn't have a quality win last year.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 24, 2012 6:36 p.m.

    @stg

    Yes top 25 teams are resume builders, and you ute "fans" tell us that all of the time when you talk about 2008. Remember? utah "fans" are always telling us how they beat 4 top 25 teams and one of those top 25 teams was? Oh yes BYU. And remember you are always telling us how BYU's FOOTBALL NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP is illegitimate because BYU didn't beat any top 25 teams (except that they did they beat #3 ranked Pitt)?

    This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

    LOL!

  • wvc-utefan west valley city, ut
    June 24, 2012 5:28 p.m.

    Mussing around, Maybe I'm reading it wrong when you said, "Utah finished 8th in the conference with a losing record.", but last I checked, 8-5 is a winning record. PLease, correct me if I am reading your comment wrong.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2012 2:31 a.m.

    Solomon

    7 out of 10. 54-10.

    Claiming Utah is scared is laughable. The simple fact is that K-Whitt no longer sees playing BYU as a priority and that his program will benefit more by playing games that will help get his team ready for conf. play and help with recruiting. Also it's not as if the rivalry game will never be played again. It just isn't reasonable to continue it annually when Utah only has three OCC games.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    June 23, 2012 10:30 p.m.

    2 for

    "Yet Utah is about to drop BYU from its schedule. Fans obviously enjoy beating their rival, but as far as Utah's season went the accomplishment was completely irrelevant."

    Utah running away from a perennial Top 25 team doesn't prove anything except Utah is scared of losing to BYU. Beating BYU gave U your only highlight of the season; losing to Colorado made U completely irrelevant.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    June 23, 2012 10:23 p.m.

    CO Ute

    "Utah did not finish 8th in the PAC 12 conference last year."

    Utah(4-5) only finished ahead of four teams in the PAC 12 - WSU(2-7), Ariz(2-7), Colo(2-7), and OSU(3-7), and LOST to the two teams the Utes tied with - ASU(4-5) and Cal(4-5) - placing the Utes solidly in 8th place in the PAC 12.

    ESPN and Yahoo BOTH list the Utes BEHIND ASU in the PAC 12 South.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 23, 2012 9:23 p.m.

    @mussing around

    I have no problem with you stating opinions even if I think they are wrong but I do have a problem with posters that make up facts.

    Utah did not finish 8th in the PAC 12 conference last year. First that would be impossible because there are no overall conference standings and only 6 teams in each division. Go to the PAC 12 website and look at the official football standing before you blatently make up lies.

    You can try to provide all the rationale you want to refute this post but it will simply be your opinion. The PAC 12 standing show Utah tied for 3rd in the South Division and actually list them ahead of ASU. There are no overall football standings in the PAC 12.

    Hopefully the DN will view this post as it is intended. I am not making a personal attack on your opinions but I am stating that you quoted a 'fact' that does not exist.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    June 23, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    In sports, you are only as good as your last game.

    So, in the beehive rivalry, Utes rule. byu drools.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    @mussingaround

    Yet Utah is about to drop BYU from its schedule. Fans obviously enjoy beating their rival, but as far as Utah's season went the accomplishment was completely irrelevant. I would rather lose to BYU and see Utah win conf. than the other way around. One will most certainly end with Utah being ranked and earning at least a Rose Bowl berth. Nobody cares about the other because it doesn't matter.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    June 23, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    Kosta Fesenko

    "Hey BYU fans.......please list your quality wins from last year....."

    I'll do better than that, I'll list the quality wins for both BYU and Utah

    BYU:
    Tulsa(8-5) - unranked in the final polls, but #35 Sagarin

    Utah:
    BYU(10-3) - #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 Sagarin

    Sorry, but Georgia Tech was only ranked #56 Sagarin, hardly worthy of a "quality" win, which should at least require finishing in the top third of Div 1A teams - Top 40.

    ---------------------------------

    Now, Utah fans.......please list your quality losses from last year....."

    BYU's quality losses:
    #17 Texas(8-5), #20 TCU(11-2), #39 Utah(8-5)

    Utah's quality losses:
    *crickets*

    Here's little help, there were only two:
    #6 USC(10-2), #38 California(7-6)

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 23, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "Who cares about OCC? Conf. play is the only thing that matters."

    Who do you think you're kidding. Utah fans are totally obsessed with their OOC win over BYU; it's the ONLY highlight of their first year in the PAC 12.

    In the "only thing that matters category" - Utah finished 8th in the conference with a losing record.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 23, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    Naval Vet and friends

    Excuses, excuses, excuses... you're always full of excuses...

    There's no award for SOS.

    Why is BYU perennially ranked and Utah hardly ever ranked?

    Hint:

    Top 25 teams don't lose to BAD teams.

    Unranked teams lose to them all the time.

    BYU was ranked in 2011 because all three of BYU's loses were to Top 40 teams; BYU beat all of the mediocre/bad teams on their schedule.

    Utah wasn't ranked in 2011 because two of Utah's five losses were to teams with losing records, including 10-loss Colorado, and two losses were to teams that finished barely above .500.

    Bronco was UNDEFEATED against MWC bottom-dwellers - UNM, Wyo, CSU, and UNLV

    Kyle lost to every one of them and is doing the same thing in the PAC 12.

    Kyle has TWO losses to 10-loss teams.

    BYU only has two losses to 10-loss teams in their entire history.

    Finishing in the Top 25 has as much to do with who you don't lose to, as who you beat.

    The proof is in final Top 25 finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    Ducky
    BYU's value on an ooc schedule is nuetral at best. WSU and Utah are not given much credit for playing BYU because BYU does not add or detract a whole lot either way. The variable that sends Oregon St to the near top of this list IS Wisconsin.
    Non of this matters, regardless of schedule BYU plays for nothing and will be headed to the dirty diaper bowl after their first loss while Utah does not even need to win their division to go to the Holiday or Alamo Bowl.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 23, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    Duckhunter, in all honesty, I don't consider BYU to be a drag on anyone's SOS, but they're really not much of a resume builder, either. That's why Utah, with one actual SOS drag and two non-resume builders have a bad SOS. If they were expected to be as good as you purport, Utah's SOS would be higher than a few of those others with only one decent team.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    Who cares about OCC? Conf. play is the only thing that matters.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 23, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    There is an article on Yahoo Sports that ranks the U's out of conference schedule 7th in the PAC 12 but frankly who cares? Lots of teams play a weak OOC schedule (LSU opens with N. Texas, Oregon with Arkansas St.). I think it is funny how the posts on most articles eventually generate into red vs. blue and you see the same posts over and over again.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 23, 2012 8:47 a.m.

    mussingaround:

    "Yet, the kids on the hill try desperately to blame BYU for their bottom-feeder OOC strength of schedule???...It's truly mind-boggling the kinds of mental gymnastics that must occur daily for the kids on the hill to produce such mind-numbing spin."

    What you said right there....THAT was spin. Here's the FACTs.

    (1) Last year, your SOS WAS weak. According to Phil Steele, your Final SOS was ranked #102 out of 120. Utah's was #48. When ONE team plays a #48 SOS, while the other team plays a #102 SOS, the #48 team's fans can jeer. The #102 team's fans cannot.

    (2) This year, Phil Steele ranks your preseason SOS at #81, whereas he ranks the Utes at #63. So while OUR schedule looks to be a bit easier than last, and yours looks to be more difficult, it's STILL significantly WEAKER, and thus....you have no room to talk with respect to schedule strength. Conversely, our fans can still jeer.

    (3) "mind-boggling...kinds of mental gymnastics"??? That post made you sound like a hypocrite. Typical of your fanbase.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 23, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "I'm stil lwaiting to hear where that barnburner utah/northern colorado game is going to be broadcast."

    I believe that it had already been reported that it'll be broadcast on Thu, Aug. 30th, at 7:15 p.m. ET as the Pac-12 Network's inaugural game.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 23, 2012 8:28 a.m.

    giantfan:

    "I just get a good laugh when Utes try and pretend like BYU doesn't mean anything to them..."

    I get a good laugh when Indy-WACey fans try to pretend like they DO! If the Y was such a "meaningful" opponent, why aren't they on any of our future schedules to date, despite there being PLENTY of openings on YOURS?

    It seems the U is more focused on getting a Home-&-Home series with Michigan than we are with YOU!

    Good luck with your "Quest for another Idaho state championship"!

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    June 23, 2012 12:10 a.m.

    Hey BYU fans.......please list your quality wins from last year.....

    ill wait.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 23, 2012 12:03 a.m.

    phoenix

    Utah has only finished in the Top 25 six times since 1977, only five times in both polls - in fact, Utah has only finished in the Top 25 in both polls five times in their entire history.

    It's easy to see why Utah fans spend so much time trying desperately to minimize the polls, the Utes are hardly ever ranked.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 22, 2012 11:57 p.m.

    QP

    "AP, USA Today and BCS polls all release a final poll. You probably didn't know about the BCS poll - it is something the cougars aren't familiar with."

    Since you seem to know sooooo much about the BCS final poll:

    When is the BCS final poll released?

    Which team, BYU or Utah, has appeared in the BCS Final Top 25 more times during the Bronco/Kyle era?

    *crickets*

    We know you won't answer the questions, because the straight-forward answers would completely invalidate your spin.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 22, 2012 11:44 p.m.

    Utah fans are too funny for words!!!

    Based on Sagarin's Ratings for 2011

    #39 Utah's OOC schedule includes:

    #34 BYU(10-3)
    #80 USU(7-6)
    #209 NORTHERN COLORADO(0-11)

    Yet, the kids on the hill try desperately to blame BYU for their bottom-feeder OOC strength of schedule???

    It's truly mind-boggling the kinds of mental gymnastics that must occur daily for the kids on the hill to produce such mind-numbing spin.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 22, 2012 11:25 p.m.

    Qwest also ran

    "BYU was only ranked in the top 25 in 1 out of 3 of the final polls..."

    And where was Utah ranked?

    BYU Coaches #25, AP #26, Sagarin #34
    Utah Coaches/AP UNRANKED, Sagarin #39

    BYU EIGHTEEN Top 25 Finishes since 1977 (over 52%)

    Utah seven Top 25 Finishes since 1977 (17%)

    Whine, deflect, justify, or spin it anyway that helps you sleep at night, but BYU has been a perennial Top 25 for the last 35 years, and continues to be (five Top 25 finishes in the last six years).

    Even in their best decade ever, the Utes only managed four Top 25 finishes, to BYU's five.

    I know it's hard for our little brothers on the hill to accept, but even during the Bronco/Kyle era:

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    It's easy to see why the Utes want to drop the Cougars from their schedule; besides USC, BYU is the only perennial Top 25 team on their schedule.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 22, 2012 11:12 p.m.

    @stg

    It is wisconsin and BYU both. You see they rate the entire ooc schedule, not just one game, and osu's 3rd game is a weakling. For both utah and wsu the only good ooc game they play is BYU hence two dogs each and one good team in BYU. In osu's case two good teams in BYU and wisnconsin and only one dog. That makes then #2 in ooc schedule.

    When you have 2 teams that ifnsihed the previous season ranked on your schedule it is considered much otugher than only having 1 team that was ranked. Frankly wihtout BYU on their schedules utah and wsu would hve exactly nothing at all in ooc worth mentioning. Of course all 3 of those pac12 teams games against BYU are slated for national telecast on espn which just kinda proves the point. I'm stil lwaiting to hear where that barnburner utah/northern colorado game is going to be broadcast.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    I always knew playing the bottom of the WAC made BYU's schedule tougher than Utah's.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 22, 2012 8:25 p.m.

    "Just admit it Utesies, BYU is your lifeline." kennyG

    Deep down in your tortured soul you know it's just the opposite. bYu needs Utah more than ever. What's keeping the Y from becoming Rexburg part two is the rivalry with the Utes.

    And the Utes are just about to drop the "lifeline".

    Delicious, so very delicious. Bwahaaaahah aaaaaaaahhahahahahah

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 22, 2012 8:07 p.m.

    Oregon State is rated 2nd because of their game with Wisconsin, if you couldn't tell. Also, as I pointed out, the list is very flawed anyway. Utah is about where they should be, though, really not a tough OOC schedule on a national level. Sammy and the duck busted... again!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 22, 2012 6:49 p.m.

    And oregon states ooc, which also includes a ROAD game at BYU, is ranked 2nd toughest. It isn't BYU dragging utah's schedule down, it is that d2 team and usu doing it. washington st has BYU as well and is ranked 10th, right behind utah, and what do both of them have in common? That is right BYU is the ONLY good team each plays. Their other ooc opponenets are atrocious. BYU is the only thing keeping them from being ranked 11 and 12.

    LOL!

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2012 6:13 p.m.

    @giantfan

    AP, USA Today and BCS polls all release a final poll. You probably didn't know about the BCS poll - it is something the cougars aren't familiar with.

    Also I never said byu doesn't mean anything to me. I love seeing them get completely dismantled at home by the Utes. I was referring to their lack of relevance at the national level. Typically it is the teams who play in the BCS bowl games that that earn said relevance. Not the teams that squeak into the top 25 poll.

    I hope the rivalry continues but honestly I would also be fine with the Utes replacing the y with Michigan.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 22, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    @giantfan

    BYU was only ranked because AP #6 USC was ineligible in the BCS coaches poll. Do some research to find out why.

    And Qwest is correct, no one is impressed. Case in point:

    "Since 2008, the Pac-12 is 17-31 (.354) against top-25 competition outside of the conference...Colorado and Utah did not play any top-25 teams outside of the Pac-12 last season, so their figures aren't included." -- Kevin Gemmell | ESPN.com

  • AntelopeValleyUte Palmdale, CA
    June 22, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    Qwest Perfected in response to @giantfan...WELL SAID!

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    June 22, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    Qwest said,

    "they haven't done anything relevant in college football in almost 30 years"

    BYU has more top-25 finishes in the last 30 years, in the last 20 years, and as many in the last 10 years as your beloved Utes. I hardly think that makes them irrelevant, at least when compared to you-know-who.

    Qwest said,

    "The y was only ranked in the top 25 in 1 out of 3 of the final polls"

    What three polls are you referring to? There are only two major polls that release a final poll, as in after all the bowl games have been played. You probably knew that though, right?

    I just get a good laugh when Utes try and pretend like BYU doesn't mean anything to them, as displayed in this comment: "I must admit...with 2 cupcakes (Northern Colorado and BYU)...". Hahaha, see what I mean?

    Honestly though, where would Utah's OOC rating be amongst Pac-12 programs without BYU on that schedule?

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    @giantfan

    The y was only ranked in the top 25 in 1 out of 3 of the final polls. Please don't waste any more time trying to convince anyone that your program is "storied" or a perennial top 25 team.

    They are well funded and most importantly they have a large built in fan base but they haven't done anything relevant in college football in almost 30 years. Multiple Vegas bowl appearances don't count and if you really want to pound your chest about 10 win seasons when it includes wins over the Idaho's and other bottom feeder teams, then knock yourself out. Nobody else is impressed.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    June 22, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    Uteology said,

    "How can that be since BYU fans tell us everyday that they are a 'storied top-25 program'?

    So another words Utah gains nothing by adding BYU to our schedule."

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    Hahaha! You Ute fans sure are funny. Which team on your 2012 OOC schedule was ranked in the top-25 to finish last season? Were you even ranked in the top-25? Just imagine if BYU wasn't on your OOC schedule, you'd have the 12th hardest Pac-12 OOC schedule for sure! And now all we hear is how Utah probably won't schedule BYU anymore. Can't blame them, wouldn't want a perennial top-25 program on that OOC schedule. That would make it too hard!!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 22, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    It is a terrible list. The only good team SC plays is ND, and Cuse is decent. Stanford has relatively the same toughness with a bad SJSU, a sometimes decent Duke, and the same ND, and they're 8. UW plays a top 5 LSU team and a pretty good SDSU, and they're 5? Also, Dirk, this list has Utah ranked 9th, not 10th. Misinformation abounds.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 22, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    "Utah's OOC is rated 10th (third easiest) in the Pac-12 by the Sporting News."

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    How can that be since BYU fans tell us everyday that they are a "storied" "top-25 program"?

    So another words Utah gains nothing by adding BYU to our schedule.

    Just for comparison it's still tougher than:

    Alabama's OCC schedule: D2, D2, D2, Michigan on a natural site.
    Florida: D2, D2, D2, Washington

    At least we play Utah State on the road.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    June 22, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    I must admit...with 2 cupcakes (Northern Colorado and BYU), Utah can't argue with this rating of OOC. But the PAC-12 should make up overall.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    This OOC schedule list is very flawed. I think several schools have much tougher tests than USC. The rest of the teams schedules are about the same with the exception of OREGON. Huge fail on the schedule Oregon! The only defense for Oregon's schedule is at least they get the horrible teams out of the way early rather than play them in November like some other teams I know.