I am not a committed Romney supporter for president because some of his policies
and politics concern me. However, Ido see him as a great example for family
loyalty, understanding money and many other favorable attributes, and I
certainly favor him over the O alternative. One of my big concerns about him is
that the Eyres promote him. @Ranch, I don't think many Mormons
see him as saving the constitution because there aren't that many
"Mormons" who really understand the constitution. However, I also
don't see him cutting the last thread, at least knowingly. I do see the O
alternative as brandishing the scissors to cut the last thread at every possible
@LDS Lib Since the LDS Church maintains that this country was established with
God's hand involved, and since the church has long believed that this
country was created to provide the right conditions for the establishment of
said church, I' trying to figure for the life of me what this
'defining moment' would be that pits the church against the best
interests of the country. Can you tell us what such potential conflict might be
where Mitt would have to choose one over the other?BTW, the fact
that Reid (Majority Leader, not 'Speaker of the Senate') has not toed
the D-party line every single time proves what?
@instereo "most churches aren't that secretive" Really?
I'll just fire off a letter to the Vatican and ask them to send me a copy
of all the RCC's financials for the last few years. And while I'm at
it, I should ask for the money records of every big evangelical church from
Texas to the Carolinas, 'cause that's only fair too. And it's my
business, why? We'll see how that goes....
Furry1993 and Ranch,Come on. We have endured nearly four years of
unfounded hyperbole reference Obama being a threat to the constitution. Mitt is
no more a threat than Obama.Can we please keep the discussion sane?
JOB #1 is to get those criminals that currently reside there out....I dont care
if its Mitt, Rick Santorum, Daffy Duck....I am sick to death of seeing the fraud
that is there and currently trashes the system. Mitt isnt perfect, but the best
thing is that he isnt Barry...November will be a pivitol moment in our
country...Barry is busy building a network for fraud and will do everything
possible to steal it....scarey situation for sure.
To Ranch 1:01 p.m. June 18, 2012Mormons see Mitt as saving the
Constitution. I see him as holding the scissors, preparing to cut the last
thread.--------------------As do I.
I'd like to see an article on why the thought of a Romney presidency
terrufies some Mormons, including myself.
I am an active, life-long Republican Mormon, and I have no desire to see a
MORMON president in the White House. What I DO desire is to have a president
who is clearly qualified for the job; has proven, successful business and public
leadership experience; and shares the same -- or most of the same -- values that
I do. This could be an LDS, Catholic, Protestant, or even Jewish person. We
share many of the same values and views on social and legislative issues,
particularly if Republican.The fact that Mitt Romney is LDS is just
a bonus to me. Were it a Democrat LDS running for president, I would not vote
for him/her, nor be excited that a Mormon was running. I do think that
Romney's candidacy has provided unprecedented and exciting opportunities
for LDS members to talk about our faith with many people who might otherwise not
have asked or been interested. So that is definitely a positive outcome. But all in all, I do not vote for candidates based on their particular
faith, so for me, the fact that Romney is Mormon is really a non-issue.
Ultimate allegiance is to who – Would he represent his Church, or
his Country when it all came to a defining moment?Hint; Senator
Harry Reid [also LDS} is on record for voting numerous times against his
Party’s recommendations….and he’s the Speaker of the Senate.
I don’t see Mitt’s integrity that well honed, or
Mormons see Mitt as saving the Constitution. I see him as holding the scissors,
preparing to cut the last thread.
It might be great for the church to have Mitt Romney as a candidate but I
don't think it would be the same for the church if he were president. He
would then represent to the world the church. I think there would be many
members of the church that wouldn't like his policies and not want to be
represented that way. I think it would also call into question some of the
practices of the church they just don't talk about in public and it would
make it hard for the church to communicate. I'm not talking about issues
like polygamy or the church's position on blacks but about their general
administrative policies or fiscal policies which are done in secret without any
public input that members just accept on faith. Most people who aren't LDS
won't do that. Why because most churches aren't that secretive.
@jotab - your post is so full of fallacies it would be difficult to counter them
all in one comment. If I have a choice between pro-public education and
pro-high quality education, I'll take the high quality education every
time. That's what Romney wants as well, but if being in about 20th place
worldwide in math and science is good enough for you, the public education you
love so much is obviously serving you well.Who has even suggested
that Romney or any other candidate be prohibited from running, or be given any
kind of legal preferential status, because of religion? Who has suggested that
Romney intermingle his religion and governmental administration? It's
Romney who has to remind everyone, over and over, that he's not running for
Pastor-in-Chief. He didn't mix religion with his governance of
Massachusetts, so please drop the dishonest red herring.I've
never heard of a single person being driven from our church because of an
impression that we're a "Republican only church." Have you heard
of Harry Reid? Should Romney switch parties, or sit out, to avoid offending
your diversified political sensibilities?
his article's conclusion parallels tobacco advertisements that champion
image over truth. The good news is that with increased public exposure and
scrutiny and the assistance of the internet search more people are doing
research and finding a path through the smoke and mirrors of the image makers
and gaining access to the truth.
Then there is the possibility that Mitt Romney is just another politician, and
he just might make the church look bad, especially if there is a scandal within
the White House.
I must agree with the other posters Furry and David, while I don't know
Mitt Romney as a person, I don't agree with his politics and I am an active
LDS member. His policies of regressive taxation and anit-public education are
very contrary to what I would want. I believe in the Constitutuion that there
should be on religious test to hold office and we great enormous entanglements
when we mix religion and politics. We drive many people away from the LDS
church when we create the impression that it is a Republican only church.
Believe it or not there are many good people that are Democrats, James E. Faust,
If Mormons were more accepting of others, then others might be more accepting of
them. I'm not suggesting that the LDS Church change any of their
doctrines, but I am encouraging them to adopt a more 'live and let
live' attitude toward those with whom they disagree. You and I may not see
eye to eye on a bevy of religious and lifestyle values, but that doesn't
mean we should try to use the law to force each other to live according to our
As an active Mormon, I don't look forward to a Romney presidency.Why? Because Romney is a polictian first and a Mormon second.Like
most politicians, Romney has already shown that politics trump principles. His
political manuevering has already been a source of personal embarrassment to me.
I've had to explain his position to my conservative non-Mormon friends on
numerous occasions. My fear is that his undisciplined brand of
political Mormonism will do more to confuse than clarify when it comes to
educating the public on what it truly means to be Mormon.
@Furry1993 - Romney has demonstrated his unwavering loyalty and commitment to
his wife, his children, his religion, his country, and his businesses. His work
ethic and focus on problem solving is eclipsed by no one you could mention.
Everything he touches turns to gold, and Democrats have to dishonestly distort
his record to make it appear otherwise. There is no evidence whatsoever of
proclivities toward promiscuity, addiction, cheating others, anger, or
selfishness.As a devout and active Latter-day Saint, I am very
excited at the idea of a Romney presidency, especially since he will be in the
limelight and will be the example by which my Church is judged. I believe
honest people will look favorably upon our church if they look at Romney as an
imperfect but striving member. I worry much more about the poor example set by
sanctimonious members who tear down that which is good - including their own
members - for political gain.
I am a devout and active Latter-day Saint. I am not exited at the idea of a
Romney presidency, since he will be in the limelight and will be the example by
which my Church is judged. I do NOT want my Church judged by Romney's
Reasonable americans believe the best thing for the country is to be excited to
elect a person who will put the country's best interests before anything
else. For that reason I believe after the presidential election in Nov. Mr.
Romney will not be elected to office of the POTUS.
@Rick2009Mitt has done this before (2008) so I have every confidence he is
not going into this with blinders. His background makes him eminently more
qualified than any candidate in a long time. But the bigger question is :if not
Mitt, then who? No one out there comes to mind among the list of those with
qualifications and experience. And given any you can name, we are right back
with Mitt being the most qualified.
I was in attendance the other evening with a group of LDS interested in getting
the US leaders back to following the Constitution, non-LDS were invited they
just didn't show up. I had a question about WHY in the world would Mitt
Romney want to be POTUS at this time in the history of our country. It makes
absolutely no sense as to why he wants to do this. Sure he may understand the
economics of things better than O. I am afraid that he will be in way over his
head and when the dollar collapses which it will in the next few months( years)
he will be blamed and then we as a church will be blamed. I am all
for getting the socialist O out but Romney what do you really hope to get done.
Too many things are on the table that you can't change so get wise and
realize what you are doing.
dr. bridell,I disagree. First, Protestants would not be excited
because nearly all of our presidents have been Protestants. Nothing new
there.As to Catholics, I was living in a very Catholic area when JFK
was elected. His picture was everywhere, in nearly every business in town.
Catholics (including my family) were thrilled to have a Catholic president.
It is interesting that Mormons are much more interested in a Mormon President
than Protestants would be in a Protestant President, or Catholics in a Catholic
one.....or even Jews in a Jewish one.I think the Eyres have identified
three separate groups that are keenly interested for three different reasons.
I would have called the third group "Bullied Kids." We do get
bullied quite a bit as a church....by the media and by other churches. If you
take most articles about the church and substitute "Jew" whenever
"Mormon" is used, you have something so politically incorrect and
bigoted that no one would say it!Maybe we need a Mormon anti-defamation
league! But most bullied kids get over it, and we will too.
"Accepting and valuing each other throughout our society might be one of the
greatest collective human goals." As a parent, I read this a
little differently than LValfre. I accept and greatly value each of my
children. That said, I cannot say the same about some of their behaviors. Disagreement alone does not equal nonacceptance or devaluing. Accepting
and valuing does not mean that a person has to accept or embrace words, actions,
or ideas that are against his or her values or beliefs. It simply means that
each person agrees to respect the others' right to his or her feelings on
the matter. Wisegeek
"The Athlete" (The Follower)"This athlete is like church
members who value the church for its positive results - better health, longer
life, lower divorce rates, etc."There are also, sometimes,
negative results. Can't blame anyone for pursuing something they deem as
positive though. Whatever keeps you happy and grounded."The
Student" (The Missionary)"This is like church members who love the
unique and enlightening doctrines of the church - from our surprising view of
the hereafter to our belief in a premortal life - and look forward to the time
when more people will discover and appreciate these doctrines as we do."As stated in the article, more exposure can lead to increased criticism
or increased acceptance. Fortunately there have been many changes throughout
the years that help with mainstream acceptance."The Unpopular
Kid" (The Misunderstood)"This is like church members who feel
persecuted and unfairly treated by media or by other churches and simply want to
be accepted as a legitimate and valued part of the Judeo-Christian tradition and
of the diverse religious mix in the country." LDS is Christian.
No doubt about it. Just a another testament, an American one.
"Accepting and valuing each other throughout our society might be one of the
greatest collective human goals.Wouldn’t it be wonderful if
that was one of the things accomplished by this year’s election?"Like accepting and valuing gay marriage, aka equal rights? If
that's what this election needs to accomplish, aka accepting and valuing
each other, than only Obama and Ron Paul currently fit that bill.
You forgot the fourth group of homeschoolers. They love and adore pure knowledge
and the corresponding wisdom it brings. They know well that wisdom cannot be
given freely without the corresponding knowledge, but that through obedience the
profits of that wisdom can be utilized even to those who do not yet posses it
(that is exactly why we have a representative republic and not a democracy). The
homeschoolers desperately want others to accept these truths but are leery of
casting pearls before those who will mock and trample them under foot. They see
the writing on the wall and understand prophecy and know what lies ahead.
Consequently they are excited in both a positive and negative way knowing that
as darkness descends the light shines all the more brilliantly.