All I heard from Liljenquist during the debate was the same empty rhetoric and
attacks he has used throughout the campaign. It seems he blames Hatch for
everything that is wrong with the country - ridiculous. He's low on ideas
and failed to outline his vision for the state of Utah or the country. I will be voting for Hatch on the 26th. We need someone who can get
things done by reaching across the isle and working with good democrats and
republicans who are dedicated to improving the country. His experience and
reputation in the Senate make him ideal for this role - especially at the head
of the finance committee.
Liljenquist came across as the spoiled child in the debate. Hatch came across
as the kindly but firm grandpa trying to teach the spoiled child about life.
Hatch won hands down. All Liljenquist can do is to continually spout the
FreedomWorks talking points, which are a misrepresentation of Hatch's
record. I really liked how Hatch took Liljenquist to task several times.
Liljenquist seemed a bit flustered always falling back on the talking points.
Last Utah General Legislative Session for 2011, I remember seeing bill after
bill sponsored by Sen. Dan Liljenquist pass the house. I was amazed at the
respect he and the bills had. I was amazed at how both republicans and democrats
voted for them.For example, his 2011 SB 180 Medicaid Reform bill
passed both houses with no votes against it from either party and was signed by
the Governor.With at least 7 bills, both the house and senate, both
republicans and democrats all voted for the reforms Senator Dan Liljenquist
proposed. In all, 9 of his bills were signed by the Governor.We need
that in Washington DC. These are the same areas that are bankrupting our nation.
Again, we need Dan Liljenquist in Washington DC. Yes, we have a US Senator with
35 years of seniority, but remember that in 2011, Senator Dan Liljenquist was
still in his first 4 year term. He did it without seniority.
Dan Liljenquist showed that he is infinitely more qualified than Senator Hatch.
If this was Hatch's second term they might have had a more even debate but
this morning Hatch dodged questions, explained himself poorly and refused to be
accountable for ANY of the debt. Insanity. It's time for Dan Liljenquist.
I can see Orrin Hatch has paid for his talking points to get out there...Dan did
NOT sound like a spoiled child. Hatch couldn't finish his sentences and
what was up with the analogy with jumping down in the hole? Dan was very
articulate and soundly won the debate. Sad that it was not on TV but as long as
Hatch is down in the hole, he will continue with his silly gimmicks...Hopefully,
the citizens of Utah will see through them.
It's apparent why Orrin Hatch didn't want to debate on Prime-Time. He
sounded tired and cranky.Dan on the other hand sounded energetic and
experienced with a complete understanding of the issues.My vote will
go to Dan!
Go big Dan!
Sorry guys, but I listened to the debate and Dan Liljenquist definitely did not
win. He kept spouting off the same talking points about how the current
congress has bankrupted our future. Fine. Tell us your plan. I didn't
hear a plan. Hatch has shown that he can work with Democrats and Republicans to
get things done. The reality is that Dan and Hatch are for the same things.
Dan is just trying to differentiate himself by claiming he is not a Washington
insider. The new blood argument does not work for me. I think Hatch's
experience is very important. I will be voting for Orrin Hatch on June 26th.
Looks like Hatch's Hired guns got there comments in early in an attempt to
sway opinion on this message board. Hatch was tap dancing the
entire debate. He never addressed the issue of how a 16 trillion dollar
unfunded liability is good fiscal party and he lost his temper when he was
called to the carpet over his fear mongering over the "fantasy" possible
closure of Hill AFB. He drummed the issue up and he is the only candidate
running for Congress in Utah even talking about it.Utah voters need to
open up there eyes to these tactics and realize that a vote for Hatch is a vote
for the establishment that loves there big pork barrel spending ways.
I have been back and forth about Senator Hatch. I wrote a letter to the editor
opposing him earlier this year but then ended up favoring him in the caucus
because I was disappointed to see all his opponents touting that they are
farther right than Hatch. Farther right than Hatch? That's all we need!
I'm not looking for another Mike Lee.However, in the end I
decided it was more important to send a message that a lifetime in office is
unacceptable. I have already sent in my ballot, voting for Liljenquist. I do
think the debate confirmed that he has MUCH more energy at this point in life
and is a competent replacement for Hatch.
Finally about fifty minutes debate - during the working day.Liljenquist certainly didn’t make Hatch“responsible for
everything wrong with the country”; he described Hatch as being typical
of a whole generation of congressmen (Republican as well as Democrat) that had
together created the USA's unprecedented debt. He opposed partisanship
that was hypocritical, for example when Republicans like Hatch are quick to
accuse Democrats for the same things that Republicans do, notably creating
unsustainable debt. He called for a new generation of congressmen that would do
something substantive and not just "talk a good game" when elections
were imminent.While I think Hatch needs to go this time, I must say
I am uneasy about Dan’s talk of “broadening the tax base”,
his Palinesque idea that “everyone should pay something”At
least if applied to income taxes. Everyone DOES pay taxes, including federal
taxes, already. Not enough specifics from either candidate on reducing
spending, other than repealing “Obamacare”.Both said
nothing about being militarily over-extended or supporting moves to shut down
redundant / picayune federal bureaucracies. Dan was better, I thought, than
Orrin on Illegal immigration though.
I, like many others, support the concept of term limits. Hatch, when he ran the
very first time, said he would only serve two terms. He is now running for the
seventh. He has been there too long and has forgotten whom he serves. Hatch
needs to retire.If the term limit argument is not enough, you can
look at his voting record over the last ten years. His votes show a clear
pattern of significantly diminishing our rights under the 4th, 5th, 6th and 14th
Amendments to the US Constitution. Look at the bills he has voted for, like the
Patriot Act (with renewals and expansions), TSA (intrusive searches and virtual
strip searches), and last December the NDAA (where a US citizen can be detained
without charges, counsel, or communication with anyone). And this is the short
version of Hatch's upholding the Constitution.You want one more
reason? Hatch is in his mid 70s. This is a 6 year term. Look at some of the
past senators that stayed to long. They never disclosed their health and they
were absent alot because of poor health. Has Hatch been straight with us
regarding his health?Hatch needs to retire.
@Fred33 proclaims: "Hatch has shown that he can work with Democrats and
Republicans to get things done."Please, give us some specifics.
Somehow I think that Conservatives will have a different definition of what we
want "done" verses the voting record of Hatch.Hatch has
sufficiently scared the old folks in Utah and they feel his pain so they are
voting for him. They don't want to feel that they are being put out to
pasture either.@Hunt: I agree!Hatch is completely scared
to a TV debate with Dan because he knows he will come off as a grumpy old man
who has nothing to offer. Fred, what's Hatch's plan? Support Romney?
Be chair of the Finance committee? One more term? What are the fine points of
the Hatch plan?You can't give it because it doesn't exist.
Hunt: No hired guns. What a silly, desperate comment. I was a state delegate
and never was contacted by the Hatch committee. Hatch won the debate, and will
continue to win. McKay: Silly gimmicks are Liljenquist's
forte. Liljenquist, together with gimmicks, a lack of U.S. government
experience and empty promises, is NOT what America needs right now. Try to
think of the big picture, rather than blaming the woes of the government on one
man. With so many Presidents, and a continual downfall of the economy and an
increase of debt since the beginning, we should NEVER blame on one person only.
Look at how hard Hatch has been working, and then consider timing. I will be
voting for Hatch.
There is a stalemate in Washington and unless something is done to break this,
we may be doomed as a nation. Orin Hatch is no favorite of mine, but I have seen
him reach across to the smarter party and I remember a magazine cover with he
and Teddy Kennedy posing with babies in their arms in bipartisan support for
mothers. Look, Obama is going to be our President for another four years and we
need jobs in this country. Trickle down economics is a flat out myth and anyone
who tries to tell you differently is white and fairly well off. We need a lot of
Dems elected, and experienced Republicans who know how to compromise. Hatch has
proven he can do this (at times). President Obama will get a lot done, with or
without compromise in Washington--as he has done this term, but if Congress
can't right it's ship, it might as well stay on recess for the
Wake up Utah, It's time for Hatch to go!
Hatch by a mile.
I worked on Capitol Hill in DC for eight years and in politics for a total of 18
years. Dan Liljenquist was the clear winner of the debate today. It's wise
of Orrin to only have one debate. I worked on Orrin's campaign as a
volunteer in 1975 and have voted for him ever since. He is only a shadow of his
former self. He is really slowing down. It's time for a change. Dan
Liljenquist is an excellent replacement. We are very fortunate that he decided
to run this time, despite Hatch's seniority and hugh money advantage.
It's amazing that, in an attempt to right things, we'll get rid of our
most influential voice in DC. Couple Hatch chairing the Finance Committee and
Romney in the White House and the old DC would change in a hurry. Hopefully
Utahns will prove smarter than the Tea Party far right and make the right
I don't want either of them. However, after investigating closely
investigating their records, their rhetoric and their positions, I find that I
don't want Hatch a lot less than I don't want Liljenquist. Hatch is
the less-worse of the two of them. Therefore I will be voting for Hatch in the
primary. I have no idea yet about what I will do in the general election --
that will take a lot more study.
As for me and my house we will take experience and seniority. Hatch by a
Would 5 or 10 TV debates between the two candidates have resulted in changing
any of the voter's minds? Yeah, maybe a few. A better question might be
which candidate was smart enough to figure that out and didn't accept the
dare?Liljenquist can best be described as not yet ready for prime
Based on what I observed during 15 years in Washington DC as an employee of the
House I believe Orrin would be far the more effective of these two. The
challenger seems to buy the attack approach, and will soon find that it takes
far more than that in the Senate to earn the respect and support of his
compatriots, especially those not of his political party. Dan has had a
promising initial political career, but Washington is not Salt Lake City! With
some additional experience and tempering, he may be a good Senator in the
future. He's not ready yet, in my opinion. During this crucial period
when we face so many challenges, and during a time when the Senate is likely to
be fairly evenly split between the parties, Utah would do well to send our
experienced Senior Senator back for another term! That is who I will be voting
Hunt: I just want to clarify that I am definitely NOT hired guns. I have never
worked for or even talked to a representative of the Hatch campaign. I
haven't contributed time or financial resources to either candidate's
campaign.I am a concerned citizen that is tired of empty rhetoric
and altruistic platitudes from the Liljenquist campaign. I mean attacking Hatch
for wanting to protect Utah's business interests? Come on really? If our
senators aren't there to look out for Utah's interests - they were
elected by Utahns after all - what are they there for?Liljenquist is
just another hyper-partisan representative that when sent to Washington D.C.
deadlocks congress so absolutely nothing gets done. The next four years are
going to be critical in shaping America for decades to come. We need a senator
like Hatch who has experience crossing the isle to bring together lawmakers from
both political parties.
The best part of the debate was the last question by Liljenquist: "Senator
Hatch, are you at all responsible for the crushing debt now faced by future
generations of Americans?"Hatch's answer was brief and
telling-- "No."No?! Since 1980 he has voted "yes" 16
times to raise the debt ceiling. Those "yes" votes total up to $7.5
TRILLION! That is $25,000 per man, woman, and child in the USA. I don't
know where Hatch lives, but In my world, voting "yes" is exactly the
same as "being responsible."After today I am no longer in
the "Retire Hatch" camp--I am in the "Fire Hatch" camp.It's time for Dan Liljenquist.
I listened to the debate, after I sent in my absentee ballot on Monday. Debates
do little to alter one's opinion. I voted to change Washington, not for
more of the same old tired rhetoric ("I can save HAFB"). Frank Moss was
using that line when Hatch unseated him! I like Liljenquist a lot
more than I do not like the idea of an entitled 42-year Senate career
politician, who says he will finally retire at age 84. That said, if
Hatch is re-elected it will likely be the aged ones in Utah who side with him
and put him back there for another unprecedented seventh six-year term. Do
people understand that we have NEVER elected someone that old for statewide
office in the history of the state of Utah? On that basis alone he should be
retired by the voters.Last time I checked the seat belonged to Utah
citizens, and they have the right to take it back and give it to someone else
anytime they want. That time has come.Hatch's condescending
tone, "Dan's a fine fella," just about puts me over the edge.Please consider voting for Dan Liljenquist.
In today's radio debate, Sen. Hatch was arrogant, condescending, and
evasive . He frequently interrupted during Dan Liljenquist's allocated
time, and also took extra time segments outside the format of the debate.
Liljenquist was energetic, articulate, knowledgeable, and made a great case for
why he deserves our vote. I was very impressed with Liljenquist.Re: Fred33: Hatch works with both sides to get LIBERAL things passed, but
Liljenquist works with both sides to get CONSERVATIVE things passed.
Liljenquist has demonstrated his ability to do precisely this by garnering
unanimous support (all the Republicans and all the Democrats) on his pension and
Medicare reform bills.Re: Apricot Tree: Actually, Liljenquist is
EXACTLY the type of senator that American needs - one who didn't contribute
to the problem and who has the skills and experience to fix it. Liljenquist is
not blaming just one man for the debt, but he is stating that Hatch is PART of
the cause. Near the end of this morning's debate, I was absolutely
astounded when Hatch stated that he bears NO RESPONSIBILITY (‼) for any of
our nation's deficits and debt. Wow! That statement alone is reason
enough to vote against Hatch.
Mr. Hatch did not have any new answers. He promised the same things that
he's promised for 36 years, things that he has not yet delivered. Are we
to assume that something will change this time?Mr. Hatch was a bully
as he repeatedly interrupted Mr. Liljenquist. Is that what we want in the
Senate? Each person was to be given equal amounts of time, but Mr. Hatch
repeatedly used Mr. Liljenquist's time instead of waiting his turn.Mr. Hatch will have NO input in keeping Hill Air Force Base open. BRAC
handles those decisions. BRAC was put in place to keep Senators from meddling
in those military decisions. Mr. Hatch has been in office while MOST
of the deficit has piled up. He has had no positive influence in reducing the
size of government or in reducing the deficit. The Supreme Court
will decide whether the HCA stays or goes, not Mr. Hatch. Mr. Hatch was there
when the HCA was enacted. He had no influence then, and he has no influence
now.Dan Liljenquiest was aggressive but polite. He has a sterling
record and he is not a bully. My vote goes to Dan.
xert, I'm white, but not all that well off, and am very interested in what
you say about trickle down econ. I want to know what your option is? Is it
allow the feds to create all of the jobs? Is it cradle to grave support from the
government? Is it big brother watching at all times? Just what is it?.
I've seen that if the people aren't adequatley rewarded for their
endeavors, they eventually give up and quit producing, then what?
It all comes down to who shows up at the primary. If the younger republicans can
outnumber the Utah old guard - then Dan has a chance. I fear that the younger
generation will be distracted and we will have a octogenarian falling asleep in
@ HuntI can guarantee you that I am not a hired gun for Hatch. I
was a state delegate from Kaysville that did a lot of research on the
candidates. I am sticking with Hatch.
@ Uncle CharlesI was a state delegate and checked out all the info
sent by Dan Liljenquist. After watching the video that was sent to me by
Dan's campaign I got the impression that Dan would say no to any
legislation that wasn't ultra conservative. This was not what he was
saying today during the debate. He said that he would work with Democrats.
What Dan is going to show up in Washington D.C.? I am guessing he will only
work with ultra conservatives. If that is what you want, go ahead and vote for
Dan. I want someone that is a strong conservative that is willing to reach
across the aisle to get things done.
@Fred: Where are your specifics? Pretty tough putting yourself on the line and
detailing what positions you take and think are "getting things done",
huh?Just like Hatch, nothing but generalities. Orrin
Hatch is just an arrogant individual who has been so long in DC that he is
brainwashed to the actual needs and desires of the citizens of this state. Hatch
is not from Utah and has lied too many times to be forgiven. If Hatch is the
only one who can keep Hill AFB from being closed then Hatch should never, ever
retire. If Hatch is the only one who can do a good job as the Chair of the
Finance commttee then he should never, ever retire (ASSUMING the Repubs take
back the Senate).Hatch is a power-hungry as any other politician and
is completely out of touch with reality. I've spoken with him many times
over the past years and he clearly doesn't get it, speaks in soundbite and
has nothing in depth to say when pressed for more than his puddle soundbite.There are hundreds of people in Utah who could do a better job than
Hatch. Move back to PA please.
@Apricot Tree"Hunt: No hired guns. What a silly, desperate
comment. I was a state delegate and never was contacted by the Hatch committee.
Hatch won the debate, and will continue to win."I for one
won't be baited into silly personal insults. That being said, I don't
recall you being one of the first posters on this article so my statement hardly
applies to you. Hatch most definitely has his campaign team (many
who, funny enough, were delegates) working overtime in the blogosphere, nothing
silly or desperate, just true."...we should NEVER blame on one
person only."Remind me again who it was that was blaming it all
on one person? Hatch made that statement about himself, Dan Liljenquist only
pointed out that he is part of the problem.So did Hatch work to help
increase the national debt or work to reduce it? Putting forth a balanced
budget amendment every few years while making little effort through his votes
and influence to actually balance the budget is very telling of what we can
expect from Hatch going forward. It's time to give someone else a chance.
"I mean attacking Hatch for wanting to protect Utah's business
interests? Come on really? If our senators aren't there to look out for
Utah's interests - they were elected by Utahns after all - what are they
there for?"That was not Liljenquist's point. There's
nothing wrong with protecting Utah's business interests from things like
over-regulation. There is something very wrong with Congress acting
as an investment firm with Tax payer dollars. Congress has no business picking
winners and losers. THAT was Liljenquist's point. Hatch apparently thinks
the practice is perfectly acceptable unless of course its Democrat's doling
out the funds.For those I falsely accused of being hired guns, I
apologize, I can get a little worked up from time to time.
Are any of the first several posts to this story real??It sounds
like a bunch of campaign homers for each guy trying to sway their boy. That is
ridiculous.That being said, I'll be voting for Hatch becuse...
well I don't know why, I'm just not a Liljenquist guy.
Liljenquist lost all credibility with me when he tried to balance the state
budget on the backs of our TEACHERS of all people.He did away with
their retirement plan and now teaching has become an hourly job instead of one
of the most important careers out there.Sorry Dan, you lose and
I'm glad you will be out of our state legislature as well.
I have admired some of the things that Senator Hatch has done and wish that he
could just retire decently. I am not sure that Lindsey is the answer and I
don't believe the Democrats even have a viable alternative. I have
personally witnessed the "pork" that has been brought to Utah by the
entire delegation the last 20 years. If we want to be self-sacrificing and
lead the way against "pork barrel spending" send Lindquist back, but if
he doesn't perform, or if he wants - say - more that two terms - send him
I'm a young republican and I'm voting for Hatch. Liljenquist is all
rhetoric and gimmick and when Romney wins the presidency, we need Hatch in there
and they will finally be able to get something done. We need Hatch now more
I didn't hear Sen. Hatch come off as a grumpy old man. I did think Sen.
Liljenquist came off as young and defensive. I'll give Sen. Hatch the
win.Understand that I'm no Sen. Hatch fan, but 2 years ago the
tea party created a problem by unseating Sen. Bennett who did wonderful things
for Utah. Sen. Lee has fallen way short of Sen. Bennett's accomplishments
and even Sen. Hatch's. So who do we choose? I think it would be unwise to
put another freshman senator in that can't/won't be able to perform.
Sen. Liljenquists work in the Utah senate was over-rated. He was just slash and
burn without careful thought and homework. He scares me.In 4 years
perhaps Sen. Lee will be up to speed. Perhaps then or in 6 years Sen. Bennett
would be willing to come back.
Dan is the man!
Senators have always kidded themselves that the word "senator" and the
word "senile" come from the same root word structure. It is time to
have confidence in the baby boomer generation (born between 1946 and 1964) and
those who come after that time period as well. The GOP will NOT control the
senate come November. We need energy and enthusiasm and a new generation of
leaders. An elected Hatch will be very surprised at a very progressive
administration of Romney who is in favor of health care for all----it is a
conservative idea that all pay into system and pay their own way (Romney would
do a very good job at increasing taxes to pay for debt and also reforming
government-----which we need.)
A vote for Hatch is a vote that you don't want change in USA. Hatch and H.
Reid of Nevada have both been corrupted by power; I don't care what their
religion is---both are attorneys who know nothing about numbers.
@ Uncle CharlesIt is pretty hard to get into specifics on a comment
board. Do you have a couple of hours to talk. :-) You claim that Orrin Hatch
is arrogant. I thought that was pretty funny. Dan Liljenquist comes across to
me as being arrogant. Why is Dan the only one that can get things done? Pretty
much every politician is self absorbed. Why else would they run for office if
they didn't think they were the best person for the job?
No politician in any office should remain for decades. Career Senators are bad
for America! Hatch had his chance for "36" years to make a mark, now as
an "old" man, he should gracefully step down, and let new energetic
blood like Liljenquist, who is brilliant and sharp, take over. I mean the man is
78 years old and if re-elected will be "82" when he finishes his term.
That's obscene to the max! Utah would be crazy to keep old Hatch when we
could have young Dan!
I have never been known as a Hatch fan. I travel all over the US and may be in
several states during the week. I frequently have a meal with some high powered
business men. Many of them are very politixally connected. I avoid bringing up
politics, but that usually gets going when I slip and say I am from Utah.It can point out that we are one of the best managed states in the Union
and often the response, "Sure you could top everyone if you could get rid of
some of those crazy guys in the State Legislature." So word gets around.
Mike Lee has gotten some of those "strange guys" remarks.Our
Utah Legislature has not helped the image of our State based on most of the
people I have talked with.Yes Orrin is a career politican, but an
experienced one. I'll be voting for him to represent me.Somehow, what I think citizens should work towards is eliminiating the
seniority business in Congress where each Senator has the vote of one, not one
times years in office times the votes he/she has made in order to get votes for
I listened to the radio debate today between Senator Hatch and Dan Liljenquist.
While I listened, I couldn't help thinking how well Dan does with impromptu
speaking or "speaking on his feet". To me, Dan's comments were
informative and well thought out. I thought for the most part, Dan was
respectful, but at the same time, assertive and knowledgeable. I think Dan
would be a great addition to the Utah national Congressional delegation.On the other hand, I thought Hatch was overly defensive, almost to the
point of playing the "victim" What's with this, "Am I to blame
for ALL that's wrong in Washington," business? Yes, Senator Hatch, you
are PART of the problem! You consistently vote for BIG government and EXCESSIVE
federal spending! How many more additional generations are NOW indebted a
lifetime to politicians who freely spend their monies?To me, what I
consider "over the top" was when Hatch feebly told the "Help,
I'm in a hole" parable. I NEARLY lost it! What in the name of
#$%& was that ALL about??? To me it was a sloppily, modified version of the
"Good Samaritan" parable. Orrin, are you NOW in the Bible? Ludicrous!
I feel that if Mr. Lilenquist wanted to be taken seriously as a candidate for
the US Senate, he should have shown a greater committment to the office he was
elected to initially. Instead of even completing the one term he was elected to
serve, he chose to resign from his office, forcing the Republican party to incur
the expense of a special election to replace him, so that he could run for
another office!! To me, that indicates a strong personal political ambition,
rather than a focus on public service. At this time, Utah cannot afford to have
two first term Senators in Washington...neither of whom has the the experience
needed to work in our best interest. Mr. Lilenquist may be a viable candidate
at another time....once he has proven his commitment to serving the state of
Utah rather than his personal ambitions. At this time, I believe we absolutely
need the knowledge, understanding and long term commitment of Mr. Harch to our
state. And the influence and impact of the chairmanship of the Finance Committee
cannot be overstated.
While I am not a large fan of Hatch, he is a better choice than Liljenquist.
Anyone who follows the Utah Legislature will knows that Liljenquist killed the
ability of Utah to keep and hire quality people. This cost the state money in
the long run and doesn't save it. Liljenquist doesn't know how to
balance cheap vs quality. Sometimes you have to spend a little money to buy
quality that in the long run will save even larger amounts of money in the end.
I think Hatch gets that but to Liljenquist, it always just the cheapest. The
State of Utah is suffering tremendously today because of his bills against
workers and the working environment. I wish we had a better choice to go up
against Hatch but Liljenquist isn't going to be "the one" with
me.I'm happy to have Liljenquist out of the State Legislature
and hope he never makes it to the Federal level.
@"And the influence and impact of the chairmanship of the Finance
Committee cannot be overstated."I think you just did! In fact,
Mr. Hatch is both greatly overstated and grossly over rated! VOTE DAN on June
Hatch thinks he is not responsible for anything that is going on with the
country? really? after 36 years and not taking responsibility at all.
@Utah_1 You are at it again and again re pasting your tired comments.
Liljenquist got through his bills in 2011 because there was little substance to
the majority of them, he had a majority (super-majority) in the utah senate and
house); why should the bills not have passed.Liljenquist showed that
he only had one objective, criticize Hatch for the 2 or 3 things that he has
spouted all year. He obviously doesn't stay on track because he
didn't directly answer several questions but diverted the discussion back
to his criticism of Hatch. It is like he did not stay on track and complete his
term as Senator, remember that he is no longer a Utah State Senator because he
resigned to pursue other interests.Liljenquist stated that the US
Senate had a republican majority during periods of Hatch's tenure; True,
but it was only by 2or 3 votes and not sufficient to get legislation to the
floor when the democrats opposed the measures, such as balanced budget
amendments. Again it seems that Liljenquist was being obsequious to the out of
state Freedom-works, tea party stance regarding Hatch, not Hatch's overall
@Fred: It's not difficult to give specifics, people do it every day. @Vaughn: Ok, you are a Hatch supporter. We get it. You must be related
to Hatch for someone to have the devotion like you.If Hatch is a
conservative, not just a Republican, can you explain his votes for the
following:- Patriot Act- TARP- 16 times to raise the
debt ceilin- NDAA- NCLBJust to name a few.... please
explain how those votes are conservative votes and even constitutional. Thanks
Sen. Hatch's votes have helped to put us much deeper in debt as a nation.
During the radio debate, Hatch tried to excuse these votes by claiming that
during much of his time in the Senate, the Republicans were in the minority.But Liljenquist exposed the dishonesty in Hatch's claim, by
pointing out that no one "forced" Hatch to vote a certain way. Hatch
didn't have to vote for unpaid-for big-government programs, REGARDLESS of
which party was in the majority. Hatch is conservative when it's
CONVENIENT.Re: Orem Parent: Liljenquist didn't do away with
teachers' retirement plans. He changed them from "defined
benefit" to "defined contribution" (i.e., 401k-type, instead of
pension-type). That's what most businesses have also done in recent
years, because it keeps the plan viable and sound, so it will still be there for
retirees down the road. It also gives the employees greater say in their own
retirement savings. Both of those seem like big POSITIVES, so you should be
CHEERING for Liljenquist.
Term limits are great, as long as all the other states in the United States have
them too. I can not understand why Utahns would want to elimate what status and
power Orrin has built up in Washington. We need him there for another six
years. The thing that bothers me, is that Washington is becoming so fractured
with those either on the extreme left or the extreme right. No one is willing
to cross the isle and work with the other side, or compromise in any way. That
is why nothing gets accomplished. I just don't see Liljenquist having any
power, or being willing to work with those more moderate. This is why we need
two political parties. No far left liberals or far right conservatives. Balance
is always good! Vote for Orrin! He has the Seniority and will continue to
have a voice for Utah.
@Vernal grandma "The thing that bothers me, is that Washington
is becoming so fractured with those either on the extreme left or the extreme
right. No one is willing to cross the isle and work with the other side, or
compromise in any way."This whole fractured nonsense is a myth
perpetuated by the establishment in an effort to hold onto there "status
quo" power. This despite the FACT that Hatch and his ilk in congress
together are directly responsible for this countries current financial
nightmare.We need Representatives who are willing to stand against
increases in spending and government growth. This will serve to swing the
balance of power from the establishment big spending and big government policies
towards fiscal responsibility and leaner more efficient government. The
line in the sand in which compromises occur has been moved to the left. Only by
voting for strong principled conservatives can we move it back. Hatch has been
far to willing to "reach across the isle" and compromise under these
Dan, Orrin, what's the difference? The same discredited conservative
nightmare as 2008. Why would we go back to that?
I seeboth canpaigns have got their staffers blogging.
Could we please get one thing straight before we write our ignorance for ALL to
see? The word "isle" means island, like Greenland. The word
"aisle" means like an aisle in a movie theater or "to work across
the aisle" in politics. If your write "isle" instead of
"aisle", you have the politician working across the island, . . . which
in Utah, being landlocked, is kinda of hard to do! Dan left his
state Senate position to run against Hatch. He couldn't run against Hatch
and be a member of the state Senate. I thought EVERYONE knew that! He
didn't give up his seat because of laziness or apathy. Please keep the
truth, the truth when writing in!Teachers and other state employees
are lucky to still have jobs. Because of Dan's reforms there were NO
lay-offs and MOST younger teachers NOW have 401s to plan their retirements with.
Read and listen to Peanut Gallery, he's one SMART dude! Dan is the BEST
choice for Senator! Orrin and his SENIORITY and BALANCED-BUDGET and
"I saved Hill AFB" have ALL seen a better day! Dave Hansen, is this the
BEST you can do??? C'mon, Dave!
@Gildas 12:35 PM Your statement that "Everyone DOES pay taxes,
including federal taxes, already." is simply not true. If you make $30,000
and have 6 kids, not only will you get EVERY PENNY of federal taxes that was
withheld, you will get thousands of dollars back you DID NOT pay in
(redistribution of wealth). Less than 50% of Americans pay ANY federal taxes
and liberals use that as a tool to buy votes every 2 years.
Hatch must go! This is the same guy who voted for TARP, for illegal aliens, for
increased taxes, for less liberty, for uber-liberals like Sotomayor and Kagan,
for raising the debt ceiling and on and on and on. I am sick to death of the
argument that we need seniority in Washington. What we need is a Senator who
votes the way Utahns want him to vote! Utahns are smart enough to see through
his shenanigans with the NRA and HAFB commercials and we remember how he voted!
I say it's way past time - Hatch must go! If he gets
re-elected, you just know he isn't going to get anything done except have
the biggest office, all the notoriety and infamy of 42 years of office (can you
imagine?) and he'll be 84 before we can get another senator. Jimminy
Cricket!!! Does anybody think we need somebody for that long? At that age?
Please Senator Hatch, do the honorable thing and bow out.
You're absolutely corrupt if you think we don't remember the mess you
and your cohorts have put us in.
Outrageous to use the term "Fiscal Child Abuse" for crass political
purposes! It's offensive. It implies that Hatch is guilty of child abuse.
Real child abuse is demeaned by politician wannabees hijacking the term for
their own crass political purposes and desperate "hail Mary" headline
grabbing stunt.No matter what one thinks of Hatch, he's at
least got the good sense to not resort to those kinds of infantile tactics. With one ill chosen phrase, Liljenquist has exposed a tremendous lack of
judgment. I just don't think he's old enough or has enough proven
real-world experience to instantly be elected to one of the highest offices int
he land. Particularly when we already have one very junior senator back there
with Senator Lee.
Re: Gr8Dane: Liljenquist's use of the term "fiscal child abuse"
was entirely appropriate. It does not imply that Hatch is a child abuser.
Rather, it emphasizes the serious, very real harm that Hatch and other
Washington politicians are inflicting on the future of our children by their
reckless, out-of-control spending.Others have described this same
damage as "generational theft," "robbing from our
grandchildren," "punishing our posterity," "abusing the next
generation," etc.These all appropriately describe the AWFUL
situation that we find ourselves in, due to the irresponsibility of Washington
politicians such as Orrin Hatch, who apparently "know better" than the
concept of a limited federal government as defined in the Constitution. Hatch
claims no responsibility AT ALL for any of this debt, and I find that
I thought it was President Obama that caused all the this countries debt? You
mean Senator Hatch has some responsibility for this debt to? Are there others
beside President Obama and Senator Hatch? I am sure Senator Reid is as well,
but are there any other republicans who are responsible for the debt we are in?
Dan Liljenquist couldn't win his way out of a paper bag. he won nothing
except to rant like a two year old wanting candy. A vote for Dan Liljenquist is
a vote to create more grid lock. A vote for Dan Liljenquist is a vote to hurt
Utah and the country. Dan Liljenquist, Clark and other rigth wing zealots need
to be retired from politics. We need people like Hatch who use their head and
actual help the country not fight against things for the sake of my way or the
I will not vote for Senator Orrin Hatch, because he keeps voting to take away
the rights of the people. People need to keep track of his voting record. He
voted for the NDAA Bill that takes away all of our rights, they can arrest
anyone without charges, hold them indefinately, and also murder American
citizens on the hit list. He has done nothing to stop all the genetically
modified food we are being poisoned with, and he voted against Rand Pauls bill
to put limits on the FDA from raiding organic farmers and destroying their
businesses. I am keeping track of how he votes, and lately, he has been a
puppet for the industries that are harming the health of the people. If we do
not have our health, we have nothing. I have voted for him every time, but this
time, I will not be voting for him, and I am very disappointed in the many
serious issues that he has voted for, that take away our freedom and harm our
I'm an independent conservative with a pragmatic streak. The my way or the
highway approach espoused by Liljenquist just won't work. And, I'm
not a Hatch shill.Fitz you are dead wrong. Your memory must not go
back to 1976. Hatch has never said once that he'd serve two terms. Not
once. You are thinking of Bennett, who did make that promise.
If you need more evidence of how Hatch's many years in Washington have led
to compromising his principles, see Tuesday's on-line Deseret News article
about Hatch's crony capitalism (in the search box, type "crony
capitalism").The article shows how Hatch has his own Solyndra, a
now-bankrupt "green energy" company named Raser Technologies, to which
Hatch funneled millions of earmarked taxpayer dollars. And Hatch says
he's proud of supporting companies like this. The voters should be as
outraged at Hatch as they are about Obama and Solyndra.A new Hatch
radio ad says that Hatch does "big things for small business." Yes,
and Raser Technologies is a prime example, with the taxpayers left holding the
bag. It's another reason to vote against Hatch, and for Dan Liljenquist.
"Sen. Hatch and his generation of politicians have presided over the biggest
run-up in debt in the history of mankind. They have voted repeatedly to increase
the debt ceiling. They have voted to expand entitlements we couldn't
afford."True that!"Hatch said he was running to
help GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney in Washington."What?
SIX terms of office wasn't enough time to get it right?Hatch
has no credibility and is nothing but a crony name-dropping sell-out.
The citizens of Utah have a rare opportunity to send a powerful message to our
nation capital that we are no longer going to tolerate politics as usual. Orrin
Hatch ran his initial campaign on the importance of terms limits and that 3
terms in Washington was long enough. Now seeking his 7th term, it is more than
fair to scrutinize whether or not another term for Hatch is in the best interest
of Utah. Hatch is part of the political elite in Washington and the group that
has saddled our children with huge debt and a very dubious financial future.
Hatch would have us believe that he is the only one who is qualified to lead us
out of this mess, when in fact he is part of the problem. The time has come for
him to retire. It is absurd to think that the same leadership that created this
fiscal problem can somehow extricate us. He certainly was not able to do
anything over the past 36 years to change the outcome of this mess, so what
makes him think he is so essential to solving the problem? Only his ego!