Of course the developers say this move needs to take place. They'll make
millions of dollars while the taxpayers will be stuck with the tab.
There's not a single cost/benefit analysis out there which demonstrates an
overall financial benefit to the taxpayers on a prison move. But, the
developers are pouring "donations" into enough political pockets to keep
this on the radar.
It's crazy how much our world has changed. Think about it. When the state
prison was moved from Sugar House the land was turned into Sugar House Park. Now
the state wants to move the prison to create the Ivory Homes/Al Mansell
Having been in a position that had access to prison construction costs and
requirements, I believe that the cost to relocate it is more in the $1 Billion
range. Prisons have unique requirements for sewer lines and they need
dual/independent feeds for both power and communications lines. Rural areas like
Rush Valley or any other logical place to put a new prison, does not have the
level of communications, power, water, or sewage treatment facilities required
to meet the needs. All these would have to be paid for some how. That was not
taking into account on the last analysis. As for development of the
current site, it is prime. But a new facility would have to be built before the
current one is closed. The prisoners still need to be locked up. And
acquisition of land and construction of a new facility/facilities will take a
number of years. The concept has not be adequately vetted or
publicly discussed. There is a whole lot of holes in the last analysis of costs
and there has not been much factual, complete information forth coming on real
costs of relocation. This project needs to move slowly with much more
What a rediculous idea. I mean it is almost like the developers have to develop
every single square inch of the salt lake valley, utah valley, and beyond.
Anything to make them rich. Don't Utahns care about open space anymore??
There aren't many open spaces left, except in the barren landscapes that
cannot be developed. Mountains are overdeveloped, now they want to make draper
even more crowded than it already is. Yeah, great idea.
Builder's & Politico's boondoggles never end. It's Back
scratch fever ! Lets do SOMETHING ! This is not it. Not now. Not unless RioTinto
wants to build it & gift it to us and maybe and use the prisioners to mine
Their analysis is incomplete if they are not considering the taxes that they are
going to collect if this land is privatized. If done right, a development at
this location will pay off for decades.
Just once, I'd like to see a deal put together by the Legislature that
doesn't enrich the powerful at the expense of the taxpayer. I will be
presently surprised if the prison relocation benefits the taxpayers.
This is a potential boondogle that could cost Utah Taxpayers an incredible
amount of money.Utah has really grown way too fast in the past decade and
sustainability and infrastructure and quality of live has suffered. Real Estate
developers would love to get hold of prime property especially if they could use
taxpayers money to guarentee its success. Crime and violent criminals are on the
increase so prison count is going up. It really makes little sense to
potentially cost the state big bucks in this recession period.
Sounds like another socialize the loss (or expense) and privatize the gain
schemes to me.
I miss the days when the SL valley had separate cities, unlike today where they
are all merged into one, and there are wall-to-wall people. Not just the SL
Valley, but the whole Wasatch front. Heaven forbid there is an
"undeveloped" area. I just hope my native Cache Valley doesn't
become this way. I'm a free-enterprise type of person, generally, but I
wish people would see the value in undeveloped areas, and that developers could
just leave some parts alone. I guess it isn't in their DNA. Part of the
problem is there are just too many people on the W. front (and of course LDS
have lots of kids and I'm no exception) - how about some of yall move out
of Utah and go to other places, like Virginia? (I left Utah when I was four,
although I can't take credit for it, and I've been living outside of
Utah ever since, except for college and visits to relatives.)
Is this another one of those deals where a developer and realtor promise there
is no way for the taxpayer to lose but then come back after the prison has been
moved and say, "well we are going need what ever taxing district to give up
their share of tax revenue for the next twenty years so this development is
viable."Is it one of those deals? I bet it is.
Long term it will be profitable tax revenue wise to justify the move to other
state owned land that isn't generating tax revenue now. The problem is
finding the upfront money needed to construct the new prison and make the move.
$450 million is hard to find in these difficult financial times. Another
question is if that number covers the remediation of the current jail site.