@ skeptic: I have wanted to address this issue for some time, and your post
asks the question that forces me to consider addressing it.You
suggest we should ask "why there are gays in the first place if god and
religion are contrary to their being."That question could be
asked of a vast number of things, all of which might be summarized as: "Why
is there suffering in the world if God loves us?" Suffering exists for a
number of reasons, most of which have nothing to do with God (they involve, for
example, mere biological chance or human decision).For Latter-day
Saints, there is a question of what a person can be held accountable for in the
eternities, and God's mercy in saving us from what we can't be held
accountable for is a major part of our doctrinal foundation. This
does not excuse sinful actions, of course, nor willful rebellion, but it opens a
door wide for love and acceptance of those who struggle with--shall we say
@Bill,You can't keep telling us (the audience on a public
internet board) these things are wrong, right, etc b/c the book of Mormon. Not
everyone's a Mormon. It's a free country with multiple religions as I
stated. Not everyone's a Christian, Muslim, etc etc either.So
when you argue b/c God said you're literally preaching to the choir.
That's like me saying "my dad said" and that's the way it
flies b/c "my dad says" and "most of my uncle say", etc etc.As stated above, the bottom line is you can't have ANY
religion/god/etc run the country. It's in our constitution.
To skeptic and LVarfe: First off God has spoken to the gays and has given them
the necessary tools. It is all in the Bible, the Book of Mormon and the
Proclamation to the World, the Family.Prophets of old condemned the
acts of homosexuality. Modern Prophets today condemn the acts of homosexuality.
The Lord defined marriage in the beginning as between Adam and Eve as he
married them in the Garden of Eden and gave them the commandment to multiply and
replenish the earth. This definition has never changed and has now been
reiniterated by modern prophets. There is a gay religion whether you want to
admit it or not and it stands in the way of the Laws of God and of the Laws of
Nature.As the Book of Mormon states emphatically, God gives man
weaknesses so that they may humbloe themselves before him. He further states in
the Book of Mormon that the day will come when good is called evil and evil
good. That is happening today.Whether you believe or not there are
15 men on this earth today that are Prophets, Seers and Revelators.
@Bill in Nebraska"To Dennis: The fact is that God has defined
marriage as between man and woman. This is paramount from the A PROCLAMATION TO
THE WORLD, THE FAMILY. Anything else is against God's law."Whether you agree or disagree with this statement, the bottom line is that
this is a free country and a home to many different religions, philosophies, and
lack thereof. There is a distinct separation of church and state built into our
constitution. What if there was a homosexual religion (for sake of argument)?
You can't deny their right to practice their faith, nor can you enforce it
To Bill in Nebraska: While one's wishful thinking my agree with yours; it
seems the question is much more complicated than what you present. Since you
seem to have a direct line to the heavens and Adam and Eve, perhaps you can find
out why there are gays in the first place if god and religion are contrary to
their being. Who is at fault: gays, god or people like you who dicdate
god's laws as you wish it to be. Since gays are the central issue why
doesn't god speak to them and not you. If you live your life in a good way
why is it a problem to you.
To Dennis: The fact is that God has defined marriage as between man and woman.
This is paramount from the A PROCLAMATION TO THE WORLD, THE FAMILY. Anything
else is against God's law. This definition has been handed down since Adam
and Eve, thus it will continue to do so. Same-Sex marriage will never be
accepted as part of the Lord's church. One can be so called gay and still
hold a temple recommend as long as they are celebite. If they are endowed and
enter into a same-sex relationship, they will more than likely be excommunicated
the same as an endowed member who has been married in the temple would be if
none repentant. If you truely are a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-Day Saints you would know this and recognize this for what it states.
This is not about equality. It is entirely about morality. One may have same
gender attraction but as long as they don't act upon it they will be
treated the same as any other single individual in the Church. To say
differently is changing the LAW OF GOD.
@DennisSeeing you are LDS or were LDS you know that would be
doctrinally impossible. Study D&C 132. You taught the basics to
investigators so I am sure you could understand that a same sex temple marriage
would create a paradox to all that.
This is a strange and complicated situation that defies most peoples
understanding: what if the tables were turned and straight heterosexual people
were put in a situation where they had to conform with living a gay marriage.
Who could endure it. How does the man in this article cope with the conflict.
The writer of this story should expand on that issue to help give more
understanding to the story. What is one to make of it all.
@zoar63...I hope one day a gay couple CAN get a recommend and marry in the
temple. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone were treated equally?
@Dennis"I had three companions in the mission field that were
gay. All three of them are still gay, not married, and still active. Fabulous
men all three of them. In spite of the Church they're true to themselves
and live the life that God laid out for them. At some time the Church needs to
recognize this and accept them for who they are"Can a faithful
member who is gay get a temple recommend? If you answer yes to that question the
next question would be can a gay couple that are LDS get a temple marriage in a
scenario in which the country legalizes gay marriage because that is what the
majority of people want.
Dennis, What do you mean accept them for who they are? If They are happy living
the standards taught by the church, and still active, then I believe they are
probably accepted for who they are.
I had three companions in the mission field that were gay. All three of them
are still gay, not married, and still active. Fabulous men all three of them.
In spite of the Church they're true to themselves and live the life that
God laid out for them. At some time the Church needs to recognize this and
accept them for who they are.