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Published: Wednesday, June 13 2012 10:17 a.m. MDT

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Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Snack WAC:

"Objective fans evaluate seasons based on the entire season, not on one or two games...As confirmed by the polls, overall, BYU was a better team than Utah in 2011."

Actually, objective fans confirmed that Utah was the better team than the Indy-WACers in 2011 after that 54-10 live vivisection on your Home field. But here's what "Two for Flinching" was getting at with SOS. Teams with a higher SOS would naturally have a less glossy record than teams with lower rated SOS.

According to Phil Steele, the Indy-WACers 2011 SOS was #102 [out of 120]. So with the nation's 19th EASIEST schedule, the Y won 10-games [losing to the good ones of course], and backed into the Top-25 poll tha USC was ineligible for.

By way of comparison, here are the Pac-12 SOS rankings: Ariz. [#6], Colo. [#12], OSU [#13], UCLA [#14], Wash. [#21], USC [#22], Cal [#35], ASU [#45], Utah [#48], and WSU [#58] ( w/ Pitt [#50] and Ga. Tech [#80] both rated higher than the Y).

Those were some pretty tough schedules. And THAT's why most had more losses than 3. Get it now?

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Truth Machine:

"BYU was a much better team by the end of the season than they were when they played Utah."

No, by the end of the season, the Indy-WACers were playing much easier teams than they faced in Sept. With the exception of TCU....which of course, BEAT you.

Had you played against stronger competition, you wouldn't have won 10 games. You struggled against USU, UCF, and OSU, and didn't exactly dominate SJSU. So imagine how well you would have measured up amid the week-to-week grind of Pac-12 [or Big 12] caliber opponents with their Pac-12/Big 12 caliber recruits and deeper benches. Don't forget...you guys flopped in your final season in the MWC. 7-6? And only because you packed your alumni into the Replay Booth vs. SDSU. If you're 7-6 vs. MWC opposition, you really think you'd be in the upper tier of the Pac-12 or Big 12? Please. You played your '11 season in the WAC, and THAT is how you got 10-wins. End of story.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Marked it Down:

"It is interesting, however, that Utah fans are trying so hard to discredit BYU's Top 25 finish, when it was BYU's final Top 25 ranking that gave the Utes their ONLY notable win in 2011."

That's because Utah fans aren't all that impressed by beating some WAC-ish and mid-majorey team that schedules just barely weak enough to back into one of the polls.

Utah fans are more impressed by beating Ga. Tech in the Sun Bowl. Beating an ACC team in the postseason > beating a WAC team in early September.

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

I'll I can do is laugh at cougie fans. They blast up stats that favor the Y yet leave off stats that favor the U. I have seen at least 50 posts in the last month listing top 25 finishes, top 15 finishes but fail to list top 5 finishes in bronco/kyle era. So let me ask those of you that have posted this several times now why do you not go all the way down to top 5 finishes?

Several times also listed by cougie fans that bronco has not lost to a 10 loss team kyle has. So what? How many 10 win teams has Kyle beat and how many as Bronco beat? Exactly why no cougie fan lists that information on their list of stats.

IMO in the Kyle vs. Bronco debate Kyle having two undefeated seasons and two BCS bowl wins. Is alot more then anything you can say about Bronco. Along with having more top 5 finishes and a better head to head record....but hey bronco does have more top 25 finishes and no losses to a 10 loss team. IMO however Kyle has definitley done more for his team.

Proud Ute
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122 comments on a Utah story and at least half of them from cougars frantically trying to prove their not swirling the bowl of mediocrity and irrelevancy.
Good times...... thanks for theentertainmentt leading up to the Sept thrashing. Just one request, please don't quit this time, it will be fun to watch you all make that walk of shame out of RES together instead of filtering out through the 3rd and 4th qtrs.

CordonBleu
Park City, UT

navel vet

lol at your SOS comparisons

Using your logic, Kansas, with the #1 SOS, should have been the national champions.

Unfortunately for U, seasons aren't judged by who played the toughest schedule, but by who had the best overall results.

As hard as it is for jealous Utah fans like you and 2B to accept,

BYU finished #25/#26 in the final national polls,

while the "mighty" Utes didn't receive a single vote in either poll.

Stop whining and just accept it;

BYU finished the season as the better team.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@uteology

No oregon is not "elite". They need to get it done for a lot longer than they have to achieve that distinction. That said they do appear to be on their way, we'll see if they can get there.

But of course oregon was FAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR from "elite" in 2003. They had barely started to put together a respectable program at that point after having long been a complete dog. Scheduling a home and home with them at that point was no more an accomplishment thatn scehduling one with arizona, washington st, or oregon st. is now. It was a nice game but nothing "elite" about it.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

@NV

"Utah fans are more impressed by beating Ga. Tech in the Sun Bowl."

Sure they are.

Afterall,

beating UNRANKED #56 Georgia Tech(8-5) by a FG in overtime

is "much more impressive" than

beating 25th ranked BYU(10-3) by 40 points in regulation.

It's hillarious how far Utah fans will go to distort reality just to poke weak jabs at BYU.

Elmer Fudd
Sandy, Utah

@ Duckhunter

"But of course oregon was FAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR from "elite" in 2003. They had barely started to put together a respectable program at that point after having long been a complete dog".

Two years before Oregon lost to Utah in 2003. Oregon went 11-1 and were Pac-10 champions in 2001. They went on to beat Colorado in the Fiesta Bowl. Oregon got snubbed for a National Championship berth for Nebraska that year. Two years later, Oregon was ranked #22 when they lost to Utah in Salt Lake City. Oregon has been a solid program for years. Chip Kelly took them over the hump!

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

It's ludicrous to even think of calling any program "elite", unless it has won at least one CONCENSUS National Championship (#1 in both the AP and Coaches Polls) and been a perennial Top 25 team for at least a couple of decades.

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

Elmer

"Oregon was ranked #22 when they lost to Utah in Salt Lake City [in 2003]. Oregon has been a solid program for years. Chip Kelly took them over the hump!

And three years later, the Ducks were DESTROYED by BYU 38-8 in the Las Vegas Bowl!

The Oregon team that Utah beat at home in 2003, finished the season 8-5.

The Oregon team that BYU beat in the 2006 Las Vegas Bowl, finished the season 7-6.

btw, Oregon State was ranked #16 in both polls when BYU beat the Beavers 44-20 in the 2009 Las Vegas Bowl.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Marked it down

I don't understand what I would be jealous of. Utah has clearly taken control of the rivalry and has moved on to greener pastures. I think most would agree that being in the PAC-12 is a better option than independence and the WCC. I think BYU deserves better and it's a shame that the rest of athletics had to take a step down for football to make a mostly lateral move.

As for the top 25 finishes: I, personally, would be dissatisfied if Utah's and BYU's seasons were reversed. If my team finished ranked I would prefer it was due to the fact that they earned the ranking on the field by beating solid teams and not benefiting from a soft schedule. However, if you want to celebrate ten wins and a #25/26 finish with a SOS in the high 90s, so be it. I guess we'll just have to chalk it up to the fact that we have different standards for our respective teams.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@two for flinching

"I, personally, would be dissatisfied if Utah's and BYU's seasons were reversed. If my team finished ranked I would prefer it was due to the fact that they earned the ranking on the field by beating solid teams and not benefiting from a soft schedule."

That is the current utah "fan" mantra. It is how you try to justify a losing conference record. That claim by utah "fans" will not last. Once a few of those losing conference seasons have set in we won't be hearing that dubious claim any longer. The fact is we won't be hearing from any of you any longer.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@elmo fudd

"solid" is not "elite". Were they "elite" a couple of years after that when BYU smoked them by 30 points in a bowl game? Or were they only "elite" when they made that pity trip to res?

LOL!

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter

I'm not trying to justify anything. Utah's first season in the Pac-12 was "okay" but I expect Utah to raise the bar and be a regular contender for the division title. Either way, it's been a joy to watch Utah compete at the highest level CFB has to offer, especially after watching the program grow through the 90's and new millennium.

Further, that claim will last, as it has for the entire time I've been a fan of the Utes. For example, 2009 was an un-fulfilling year in my book, despite the fact that Utah finished ranked. Beating Pitt, ISU and AFA was alright, but Utah missed a couple a huge opportunities that left a mark on the season.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

^ 2010

17-14 Hurts Don't It?
Springville, UT

Look at all these "Ute fans". Oh the pain of 17-14, and losing to Colorado.

You can still hear the moaning and groaning over the loss.

"We lost to Colorado, oh the humiliation."
"That was embarrassing."
"We lost the South Division."
"We lost the conference championship."
"We lost the Rose Bowl."
"We blew it"
"We lost the parade"
"We lost Pasadena"

And my favorite...

"Does this mean we're not going to Disneyland this year, dad?"

LOL

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