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Published: Wednesday, June 13 2012 10:17 a.m. MDT

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Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Magna

"Just remember your Cougars played New Mexico State sagarin 133, Idaho sagarin 141, AND Idaho State sagarin 205!"

Sorry, but there's absolutely ZERO correlation between who BYU played and who BYU could have beaten if they had played.

Nobody said that BYU beating NM St, Idaho, and Idaho St proved that BYU could have won the PAC 12 South, but BYU beating a bowl opponent that was ranked higher than 8 of Utah's 9 PAC 12 opponents, does show that BYU winning the PAC 12 South is not an unreasonable prediction.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Snack: Factor out ineligible USC and recalculate:

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Umm, what???

If you factor out USC then shouldn't you be factoring out the loses in the division?

For example, Utah went 8-5 with USC lose factored in. Now if you factor USC out then Utah goes 8-4. Same for the other teams in the division. Also, Sagarin did NOT factor out the USC loses in its rankings only you did to make a bogus claim.

You welcome!

BYU would have gone 3-6 at best playing Utah's PAC-12 schedule, and here's why:

The current talent at BYU, over the last 2 years, is 4-8 vs. teams with winning records:

Utah State (7-6) 27-24, Tulsa (8-5) 24-21, Washington (7-6) 23-17, San Diego State (9-4) 24-21

Your 5 best wins have an average margin of 4.5 points at HOME.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

"BYU would have gone 3-6 at best playing Utah's PAC-12 schedule, and here's why:

The current talent at BYU, over the last 2 years, is 4-8 vs. teams with winning records:"

Your myopic analysis is hillarious.

Utah didn't beat a single PAC 12 team with a winning record and the Utes LOST to TWO PAC 12 teams with LOSING records.

Simply beating all of the PAC 12 teams with LOSING records that Utah played would have given BYU SIX wins.

Even with LOSSES (not loses) to Utah, California and USC, BYU still would have finished 6-3, easily winning the PAC 12 South, even with that September meltdown against the Utes.

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

"Nothing had changed - the ONLY reason teams like USC and Michigan would even consider coming to RES is because the PAC 12 / Big Ten are arranging it for U. Michigan is simply picking from a list of teams mandated by the Big Ten." Rockwell

hmmmm, the PAC12/Big10 agrement doesn't start until 2017...four years LATER than when this game of the 1for1 begins.

The real question is Y not the Y? As we know holmoe is strrruuugling to capture an elite 1for1. Y do you think Michigan pushed aside the holmoe to get to Dr. Chris Hill?

Utah-Hawaii Alum
Dallas, TX

Booooooom! Great news for Utah's flagship university. The U is the real deal........glad I went to that great school.

Y's little brother
The Hill, UT

Just like USC, Michigan will be another guaranteed loss for the Utes.

Can't wait to see Utah trying to beat USC, Oregon, Stanford, AND Michigan, along with Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and UCLA, all in the same season.

The Utes are biting off far more than they can chew and 4-8 seasons are going to become common-place on the hill.

At least they'll be a well-paid punching bag.

Fortunately, Utah will still have a perennial Top 25 team to represent the state - BYU, THE University of Utah.

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

Anti BCS - you don't see the forest for the trees! Other posters(Ducky included) talk about how little Athlon thinks about the Utes projecting them at 4-5 in conference. The point of my post is that Athlon must think even less about the Utes non conference opponents because they have Utah winning all three games to finish at 7-5. If the prediction shows that Utah is not very good, what does that say about the teams they are projected to beat?

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

@snack PAC - Really? You compare two conference divisions but randomly factor out USC because they were on probation. Sorry but it doesn't work that way. Probation means they can't go to bowl games and aren't ranked in some polls but you don't arbitrarily factor them out to do a comparison unless you are trying to distort the real picture. Add USC into the comparison and the PAC 12 South becomes stronger the the ACC Atlantic but to use your quote "thanks for playing'.

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

"Can't wait to see Utah trying to beat USC, Oregon, Stanford, AND Michigan, along with Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and UCLA, all in the same season." Y's little brother

And you ask Y Dr. Chris Hill wants to kick the cougars to the curb?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@mlh

Good grief. We all watch tv buddy, every week we watch college football. We've all seen plenty of pac10, big 12, acc, and other teams play weak after weak and year after year. Of course we've all seen BYU play these teams pretty much every season for decades as well. Just because utah has played one season in the weakest part of the pac12 you haven't all suddenly gained some super understanding and insight into the quality of players the rest of us don't have.

That might have been the most condesending, while alternately clueless, comment in the history of these boards.

LOL!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@uteology

Ok I will "correct" you because you are "wrong".

BYU previously had a one and done scheduled with Texas. They then later sceduled a 1 for 1 with Texas that is seperated from the 1 and done by 2 years.

So by your logic utah previously had a 1 and done with michigan. Now that they MIGHT have scheduled a 1 for 1 with them after a multi season break we can all consider it a 2 for 1 in michigans favor since they will have played 3 games, 2 in michigan and 1 in utah, over multiple seasons.

See how that sort of tortured "logic" works? Only from a utah "fan" would we get that.

LOL!

Y's little brother
The Hill, UT

CO Ute

"you don't arbitrarily factor them [USC] out to do a comparison unless you are trying to distort the real picture"

Nothing arbitrary about it; you can factor USC out of the picture, because the Trojans were ineligible, and therefore, not a team that Utah had to finish ahead of in order to win the division.

The only teams Utah had to finish ahead to win the PAC 12 South were four LOSING teams

#66 UCLA (5-4, 6-8)
#41 ASU (4-5, 6-7)
#107 Colo (2-7, 3-10)
#64 Ariz (2-7, 4-8)

and U lost to two of them, both AT HOME, including lowly 10-loss Colorado.

As far as the competition that Utah had to beat to win the division goes, the PAC 12 South was by far the weakest division of any major conference.

Y's little brother
The Hill, UT

Sorry hedgehog you can't have it both ways.

Either BYU is a pushover, an easy win, in which case, Utah has absolutely no reason for not continuing to schedule BYU.

Or BYU is just as formidable as all but the top two or three teams in the PAC 12, and therefore, too much for the Utes to handle, despite all of the arrogant chest-beating of the kids on the hill.

Jenny83
OGDEN, UT

Y's little brother..this is silly... The only way to truly compare byu to utah is by head to head match ups In the last decade Utah has beat BYU 7 out of 10 games and humiliated them to no end their last meeting... So you come up with all this other crazy stuff that means nothing to anyone but you... But the stats don't lie 7 out of 10 - last 10 years &
& BYU loss in 2011 54 - 10 Go ahead and twist things however you want.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Sorry Jenny,

The only way to truly compare BYU to Utah is overall accomplishments during each season over the last decade.

NOBODY believes that Colorado was better than Utah last season, simply because Colorado won the head-to-head matchup.

NOBODY believes that UNLV was better than Utah in 2007, simply because UNLV destroyed Utah head-to-head 0-27.

and,

only crimson-colored-glasses-wearing fans and BYU haters belief that 8-5, unranked Utah with losses to TWO teams with losing records and a near loss to 4-8 WSU was better than 10-3, 25th and 26th ranked BYU simply because the Cougars had an early season meltdown against the Utes.

One game does not a season make; seasons are judged on overall performance.

Final Top 25 Rankings this century
BYU 6
Utah 5

Final Top 25 Rankings during the Bronco/Kyle era
Bronco 5
Kyle 3

Final Top 15 Rankings during the Bronco/Kyle era
Bronco 3
Kyle 1

You can twist things however you like, but the final rankings are the final word.

No crazy stuff, just FACTS.

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

"Or BYU is just as formidable as all but the top two or three teams in the PAC 12, and therefore, too much for the Utes to handle, despite all of the arrogant chest-beating of the kids on the hill" little brother

I beleive most Ute fans view the Y games as a no win situation. The polls don't look favorable to losing to a non BCS team....and beating a non BCS is expected.

Another factor is currently the Utes are the biggest game on the Y's schedule....it's you're bowl game.

Why should utah waste emotion on this game? Why risk injury from planned cheap shots? Again, a no win situation.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

CO Ute says "The point of my post is that Athlon must think even less about the Utes non conference opponents ".
That's reflected in Athlon's pre-season rankings where the "terrible" Utes are ranked 33rd and the Cougars are ranked 39th.

Athlon's marketing gimmick is their magazine with a custom cover. Look! There's a cover with Utah Ute John White! Let's see what the Cougar fans can buy. Oh. They can only buy the generic "Oregon/USC/Notre Dame" cover.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Uteanymous

Again, I said Utah had lack of PAC-12 (BCS talent) for the weekly grind of BCS football. I don't expect you to understand this concept but this is the same point ESPN noted for Season I, do some research.

In September not only did BYU get dragged to the woodshed by Utah but you struggled at HOME against:

9/23 vs. Central Florida (5-7) W 24-17
9/30 vs. Utah State (7-6) W 27-24
10/8 vs. San Jose State (5-7) W29-16

That's NOT BCS talent, yet you struggled? FYI Utah had no problem beating mid-major BYU and D2 MS... actually MS put up more of a fight. We struggled in PAC-12 play, you struggled against WAC and CUSA teams... MAJOR difference.

FYI ASU was playing great ball when they beat Utah, even beat #5 USC 43-22, in September so I seriously doubt BYU would have beat ASU since you clearly struggled against mid-major teams. So I would say 3-6 sounds about right 4-5 if you got lucky.

Again, this is all hypothetical. What isn't hypothetical is that fact that BYU went 2-3 vs. BCS quality teams (including TCU).

SportsFan
Orem, UT

hedgy

"The polls don't look favorable to losing to a non BCS team....and beating a non BCS is expected."

Your BCS snobbery is laughable - the polls couldn't care less whether a team is Independent or in a power conference, the ONLY thing that matters is whether they're a good team or not.

Independent BYU - RANKED
Power Conference Utah - UNRANKED

is proof of that.

Of course your justification for dropping BYU from the schedule falls completely apart when you're looking to replace BYU with Northern Colorado - that's certainly going to impress the pollsters.

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SoonerUte

Pre-season polls are a dime a dozen; the only polls that matter are the final polls.

It's hillarious that Utah fans get all pumped up about pre-season polls that rank Utah higher, but totally dismiss final polls that rank BYU higher.

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

"Of course your justification for dropping BYU from the schedule falls completely apart when you're looking to replace BYU with Northern Colorado - that's certainly going to impress the pollsters" Sportsfan

Let me try to explain this another way. the bYu game is exactly NOT the type of game Utah needs on their schedule. There are only 3 positive OC games that make sense

1) A sure win ( hey, I giving the Y some credit here. A rivalry game is never a sure thing.
2) An elite team (i.e Michigan). A win will create national buzz, a close lose would still be viewed as a positive in regards to media and recruiting.
3) A team from TX or CA. Again, all in the name of recruiting.

Currently, bYu holds no value to Utah. Infact, it only holds negatives.

1)A non BCS team with a huge chip on their shoulder. having lost 54-10 and 7 of the last 10
2) A team that will view this game as their national championship game
3) Little to no recognition by the polls/media by beating bYu

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