Idaho Stranger: You bring up some interesting points regarding term limits. Here
are two suggestions that might help in developing your idea. After each election
don't have a lame duck session. We could write an amendment
that ends the current session of Congress on the day of the election. For
example: No Congressional work from Nov 6 to Jan 20 when a President is sworn
in. In conjunction with that no recess appointments protect the people even
more. These two suggestions help return the balance of power to the
people. It forces all Congressional and Presidential action to occur before
elections allowing us to vote on accomplishments. The President's authority
to engage the military if neccessary being the only exception. This would all
help reign in political power and the lobbyists favorite play time.
It is time for Utah to dump hatch. He is totally on the payroll of big tobacco,
and the nation Association of Drug Manufacturewrs. Hia son is the chief lobyists
for the big drug cartels, and he has sponsored more bills than any aother
senator, to ensure that the big drug seller can still empty your pockets with
the sale of me-too drugs, that enlarge the drug cartel. Romney need to dump him
.Utah need to help lower the cost of drugs, by not voting for Hatch.
Not too long ago I too subscribed to "term limits" as a great way to
helpfix some of the things wrong with our government. But no longer do I
agree with term limits. Why?"lame duck" is one reason. We
are all aware that a "lame duck" representative can be dangerous as they
have no reason to not just ignore the Constitution and/or the people and vote
however."Concerning term limits, which were considered by the
Founding Fathers during theConstitutional Convention of 1787, Alexander
Hamilton wrote in The Federalist, No. 72:"Nothing appears more
plausible at first sight, nor more ill-founded upon closeinspection."'There are "term limits" that do work
however, and they create NO lame ducks, but they require an informed electorate
who understand the "limited government" principle and who do not make
their voting decisions based upon 30 second TV ads promoted by the various
candidates. They do their own research and know how the candidates have voted
or will vote. In other words, there is simply "No Substitute for an
Informed Electorate". There are no shortcuts to good government.Google "Term Limits Temptations" to see why I changed my thinking.
I will vote for Romney. Hatch? No. He's had his day in the sun. Thirtysix
years of basking in the limelight. Not only has he repped Utah but please can
anyone ask him how he's had time to serve the people and "write"
songs and poetry and make money, at it? As if he's poor. Hatch has
benefited from insider trading all these years in Congress. He's
today's Frank Moss. Romney doesn't need Hatch. If Hatch's ego is
such that he can brag about being an 'advisor' to Romney, then why
doesn't he abdicate his senatorial throne and support Romney. When Romney
wind, maybe Hatch can be appointed to as a member of his cabinet. Hatch looks
tired and old and frankly rambles. What we need in Congress are younger reps,
term limits and the removal of all those wonderful perks. Anyone ask Hatch if he
still has a bloomberg in his office so he can see when to buy and when to sell?
Yep, it pays to serve the people.
Last Utah General Legislative Session for 2011, I remember seeing bill after
bill sponsored by Sen. Dan Liljenquist pass the house. I was amazed at the
respect he and the bills had. I was amazed at how both republicans and democrats
voted for them.For example, his 2011 SB 180 Medicaid Reform bill
passed both houses with no votes against it from either party and was signed by
the Governor.With at least 7 bills, both the house and senate, both
republicans and democrats all voted for the reforms Senator Dan Liljenquist
proposed. In all, 9 of his bills were signed by the Governor.We need
that in Washington DC. These are the same areas that are bankrupting our nation.
Again, we need Dan Liljenquist in Washington DC. Yes, we have a US Senator with
35 years of seniority, but remember that in 2011, Senator Dan Liljenquist was
still in his first 4 year term. He did it without seniority.
Hatch is no conservative. Don't forget, one of his best buddies for
decades was Ted Kennedy, with whom he co-authored a number of bills, including
No Child Left Behind. It's long past time for him to retire, and to get
some fresh blood in there. I read a comment the other day that Liljenquist
would be another Mike Lee - one can only hope. Romney is way better than Obama,
although not as conservative as I would like. I hope to get as many real
conservatives as possible in Congress, partly in order to keep Romney in line.
I am so proud to live in a country where a man such as our wonderful President
Obama, can overcome the racist element of America and the stonewalling of the
right and set this country on a track that was nearly demolished over the Bush
presidency. These two aren't made of that stuff. This country isn't
ready to stomach a President who doesn't have the strength of his
convictions and can't stand up to a man like Donald Trump. Mitt Romney and
Orin Hatch are decent men, but the Republican party doesn't seem to have
room for decent, or compassionate people anymore.
@ A1994It is certainly not too late. The window of opportunity to
replace Hatch is during the primary election later this month. A lot of time
and money was spent to provide each individual in Utah with that voting window
of opportunity. Please don't give up without making good use of the
historical chance we've all been given to finally rid ourselves of this
corrupt, self-serving senator.
Senator Hatch represents one person in Washington, and that is Senator Hatch.
His voting record proves he is part of the problem and not a solution. His
refusal to publicly debate Dan Liljenquist shows that he doesn't care
enough about the people of Utah to show them why he's still good for the
state (or more likely, knows he can't). He's got time for photo
opportunities with Mitt Romney, but can't be bothered with the people of
Utah. In addition, if he does get in again, he will be a "lame duck"
Senator. That's the last thing our state needs! Senator Hatch has become
a corrupt cog in the Washington machine and needs to be retired. I am dedicated
to doing my part towards that end during the primary election in a few weeks. I
hope others will make an honest effort to study and research Senator Hatch
between now and the primary election later this month, and come to the obvious
conclusion, he needs to go.
Kaparowitz is 100% correct. It's time for new blood in Congress. But it
won't come with either Hatch or Liljenquist.Scott Howell,
though, is another story. An honest, well respected man with good common sense
is what's needed.Scott Howell is that man.
@ MPeace If you had bothered to go to Liljenquist's website, you would have
clearly seen an email address (email@example.com), a mailing address (P.O. Box
829 Bountiful, UT 84011), and a phone number ((801) 923-4326), all of which are
useful for contacting Dan. Does Orrin Hatch accept carrier pigeons too? Is
that the reason for your inaccurate comment?
I disagree that Hatch and Lilenquist would vote the same. Hatch voted for
bailouts, tarp, liberal supreme court justices,medicaid, and on and on. That is
why as a Republican we need someone that is Conservative. Why vote for a
Republican that acts like a Democrat.
I'm not a fan of Hatch, but the window of opportunity to replace him is
gone. He almost didn't need a primary this time and I think people in Utah
are getting a little more content with him, especially since it looks like Obama
is on his way out of office. There isn't the same intensity as when
Bennett got thrown out.Hatch has promised that this is his last term
(although I don't know why this term will be any more important than the
next term.) But if Orrin is leaving after this term, fine. Just don't be
doing anything stupid like trying bipartisan legislation with Barbara Boxer or
John Kerry for the sake of being bi-partisan. @InstereoI
think Scott Howell is a decent man, but I don't want someone who is there
to 'vote differently.' That's why the country elected Obama. So
that we had a 'change' from the norm. And we got it. And it is not
What makes things worse is that Rand Paul turned his back on the constiution by
joining the establishment darkside endorsing Romney. He sold his supporters and
this country out.
Obama is the problem and Mitt will only continue that problem. Obama and Romney
will not be getting one cent from me. A choice between the lesser of two evils
is still choosing evil. I choose to not choose evil at all and choose Good.
It's time to dump Hatch and put some new blood in Congress. We need to
overturn some tables and send a message to Congress that we are tired of the
status quo. We need new faces, fresh ideas and Hatch isn't the answer.
Rise up people and vote this guy out! Hatch's reelection is in no way
inevitable. Look at Indiana where Lugar went from virtual reelection prospects
to being given the boot. Wake up people and send a message that we will hold
politicians responsible for the mess they create. Hatch has become part of the
When I compare Liljenquist and Hatch and think about the hundred of votes that
they would each make in the senate if they were elected. I wonder how
differently they'd actually vote and my conclusion is they'd virtually
vote the same on every issue. So does it really matter who R's vote for in
the primary? I don't think so if they are concerned about the results. All
the arguments they are having about this election are actually kind of comical
to watch. If they really wanted change from Hatch they'd vote for Scott
Howell, at least there would be a difference in how he voted in the Senate and
maybe something would get done in Washington.
Mitt Romney paid a courtesy call to Utah yesterday. Of course, protocol
requires a presumptive national candidate to be received by a current Utah
national representative. Don't imply that Romney came principally because
of Hatch's invitation to help him with his campaign. A President Romney
can/will work equally well with a Senator Liljenquist, as with Orrin Hatch.
Politicians often do "favors" for political acquaintances. It's NO
BIG DEAL!While Orrin's in Utah, why doesn't he serve his
constituents with a debate or debates with his primary opponent? It is an
election year, afterall and I think he's running. Is his schedule so
"pressing", he has to return immediately to Washington, DC.? Yes, I
thought so. "The little dog laughed to see such sport, and . . . the dish
ran away with the spoon."
Hatch has campaign cash from Phillip Morris (you know, the cigarette people) and
Mitt has gambling moguls stumping and providing buckets full of cash. Wow!
What a statement about the "religious right"!
President Obama is hardly the worst president in American history. He has a
long, long, long way to go before he reaches the level of Richard Nixon. I do
agree that it is time for a change, and that Mitt Romney will do a better job
with the economy.
As usual, the Hatch team is quick to jump in with their choreographed adulation
of the career politician.Romney's visit to endorse Hatch makes
me less inclined to vote for Romney than it does to make me want to vote for
Hatch.No amount of endorsements from the political establishment
will convince me that Hatch is the solution to, not the cause of, our problems
Mr. Hatch became a millionaire in office; he loves a government paycheck and
living in Washington D.C.; congress should work part-time and live in a
barracks, start out with same pay as enlisted military. Mr. Liljenquist earned
his money the old fashioned way.
The message from Romney is that he is courting the RINOs and the Tea Party all
in the same week. Wednesday Mitt was promoting himself as a conservative after
the victory in Wisconsin. Today he's kissing up to the old guard Hatch.March on to Tampa Bay.But after the convention watch him REALLY work the
political spectrum.Candidates have no shame.
I think it worth noting that a President Romney could work just as well with a
Senator Liljenquist, as he could with Orrin Hatch. Utahns, don't let
appearances be deceiving. One favor owed by a fellow politician can be re-paid
at any time down the road. And I agree with the comment, "If Hatch is so
busy representing Utah in the Senate, how does he break away for a photo op with
Mitt in Utah???" There something fishy about the whole affair. I think
it's about (to) Hatch!While Hatch's is in Utah, I would
hope he could also find time to debate his opponent, as well as attend $2,500.00
a plate dinners. Inquiring minds want to know, . . . what's up, Orrin???
American presidency: Who gets the most greenbacks becomes one.God
is so proud of all the money spent on campaigns and fliers, while the
'widows and orphans' still suffer and the homeless still crowd our
streets. How about a few televised debates and put your campaign platforms on
the Internet or American Idol or Dancing with the Stars. Or just text your kids
and constituents.And a helpful suggestion for Peace in Provo: Find
the new paragraph key and you might get a response. No one reads run-on
diatribes. Short and pithy.
I am an indepent, I am taken back when I see 2500.00 per plate fundraisers
while there are people literally starving because they cannot find work. Barack Obama has been a disaster and is the worst President in the history of
the United States. This is the most important election in history. We must rid
ourselves of this President and his minions. Having said that, I do find
it disconcerting that Mr Hatch and Mr Romney would attend something like this.
"doingmywaySalem, UT"We are voting for a
President. If you can't decide between Hatch and obama - I guess that is
your problem. Unfortunately, obama is our problem. I hope you have a really
swell job, just like all the people who are not on gov payroll, because I
understand the private sector is doing great.
I had decided to change my party vote this time and vote for Romney, but after I
found out that he is a Hatch supporter I am more undecided than ever. My
problem with Hatch is that he is part of the problem in Washington, and being
one of the good old boys don't cut it with me. His experience and
positioning hasn't helped up to now so why keep voteing him in? It's
time for him to retire and stay home and write his music!!!!
Romney and Liljenquist both have business experience; Hatch and Obama do not.
A vote for Hatch is a vote for deficits (which began in year 2000).
I would hope that Mitt Romney has a communications means to respond to people
that email him questions and suggestions as to how to better help this country,
and a means to get even a reasonable message back to them about the subject, if
he becomes president. Obama has not this communication means. In 2 years I
have received no responsiveness about anything. Before computers messages back
by regular mail were possible from the president's secretary. Now there is
nothing. It is a complete vacuum.
We should start a game; "Where in the world is Orrin Hatch"?We know where he isn't, he isn't in DC as we've been told, busy
fixing everything;He's not in Utah to personally show us he is still
the best qualified.I'll bet he has time to fly to Utah for a
photo op and attend high dollar fund raisers and then will have to rush back to
DC since he's the only one capable of fixing the mess he participated in
Good Communications is the main thing. Orrin Hatch is easy to get
communications with by Email. I just checked the Liljenquist election site. I
see no easy way to communicate with him by Email. What we really need in a
Senator is means to communicate with him when we have a problem. We do not need
to have him use his ideas of what our problems are, like Liljenquist displays.
Our problems may become very different from the problems he perceives very fast.
We need to have communications means. Hatch has these established. -And not
by letter by mail to our Senators. Letters by mail to our Senators and
Congressmen go through a checking for dangerous materials that may be enclosed
in them in Pennsylvania which takes 3 to 4 months before they are received by
our elected officials. If we have a serious problem, we cannot wait that long,
therefore Email contact is very important. Senator Hatch has this means of
communication. Liljenquist does not. I have to vote for the best person and
that is Hatch.
When I was young the question came up of voting for JFK just because he was
Catholic as I was. Voting for religion or even integrity is important, but also
is how one stands concerning the Constitution (original intent small
government). People with integrity can be misled into tyranical paths. I
wouldn't vote for Harry Reid.
I thought Hatch said he was "too busy" to debate??He can get
"unbusy" for photo ops but doesn't have time to talk to the voters?
Great to have the two in Utah to raise money and awareness for both of these
dignified and public service oriented people. Hopefully, it will help Senator
Hatch in his bid for the primary victory in less than 3 weeks. We need both of
these men to help toward help alleviate some of our woes in the State and
Nationally. Men of conviction and integrity is what we need and that isn't
happening in Washington, D.C. There were some changes two years ago but that is
not all we need, we need a Senator from Utah in Washington, D.C. that will move
forward and not just sit on the sideline saying his values are more important
than doing something. Values and high values are worth pursuing and preserving
but don't work if you just sit on the sideline and approach the battle in
the Halls of the Capitol. We have plenty of principled people in Utah that
could be holding their values and doing something but Senator Hatch is the one
for now and has served us well for 36 years. His age is a factor but if he is
willing to fight the battle, Good.