The comment about Mr. Hatch being tired looking is very astute. He is tired, and
to compensate he has built a staff to do most of the work he is too tired to do.
Think about it, we are forced to deal with unelected staff who shield Mr. Hatch
from controversy. I agree that Mr. Crapo from Idaho will do a good job, and if
it is so important to have seniority let's get Mr. Hatch's replacement
started now to build seniority for the future.What do you call a
senator who's been in Washington for 36 years? You call him home.
Re: Vaughn J: For many months, Hatch's NUMBER ONE campaign point was that
he had to be Senate Finance chairman because otherwise it would be liberal
Republican Olympia Snowe. But recently when she announced her retirement, the
Hatch campaign immediately went into spin mode and stated that (presto!) her
retirement made no difference and Hatch still needed to be chair.Well, no, it's NOT important for Hatch to be chair. Idaho's Mike
Crapo will do a better job, and that's who it will be if Hatch isn't
there. Crapo is more conservative than Hatch and - unlike Hatch - Crapo
didn't vote for TARP. Crapo has "endorsed" Hatch, but it's
only a professional courtesy and means nothing. Crapo will work just fine with
Mitt Romney.You're right that Liljenquist didn't debate
Howell. That's because Howell is not part of the current race – the
Republican primary. A big reason I'm voting against Hatch is
his refusal to debate Liljenquist on TV - to stand in front of his constituents
state-wide and expose his record to live, interactive scrutiny. Sadly,
he's no longer civic-minded enough to do that.
@ Vaughan JNews bulletin: Olympia Snowe announced her retirement
from Congress over a month ago! Mike Crapo will work with a President Romney
more efficiently and in a better working relationship than ever could Orrin
Hatch. Hatch's arguments triumphing seniority and chairmanship are bogus
and veiled attempts to conceal the real truth from the Utah electorate.Dan Liljenquist is the voice of change and of a new generations of Americans.
Those of us who have voted for Hatch in the past should be like the parents of
newlyweds. Keep our eyes open and our mouths closed. It's time for a new
face to represent Utah in the US Congress. VOTE DAN on June 26th!
@Vaugn JConcerning what you said to goatsnotes, you might have a
point if it weren't for the fact that Olympia Snow is retiring. Crapo, a
more conservative option than Hatch, IS the next in line. Hatch has and is
spending our children's tax money like a drunken sailor. Exhibit A is
Medicare part D, an unfunded 17 billion dollar liability. So much for Hatch
wanting a balanced budget in Washington. We need to replace the
perpetrators, Liljenquist is a good option.
goatesnotes: Crapo is not a Hatch replacement. Hatch is likely to be the
Finance chair this time around. If he is not there then Olympia Snow will
probably assume it and she has voted against the balanced budget, with Obama
when nearly all other republicans voted for it. In reality we need both of
them, Hatch and Crapo.Utah_1: If your re-pasting of your same
though is any reflection of your candidates BONAFIDES We all must look out;
because after the first time you don't have an original thought.PeanutGallery: Were you really there? I am amazed you got in with only about
200 people being present. I understand that Liljenquist would not debate Scott
Howell. How come, doesn't he want to debate his opponents.Conservative Voice and Swede1952: He talks, but then Liljenquist's
supporters don't want to hear it, unless he has to concede to his opponents
demands. He has had 2 debates and another this next week. In the previous
debates he proved his mettle by being attacked by two opponents on the same
stage.Hatch does not need gimmicks to be heard. Read his statements
on his two websites.
We made our choice and that is for Liljenquist. Mr. Hatch has been in too
long..way too long and it's time for someone fresh, new and experienced.
@mightyhunterhahaI would appreciate some clarification of the
statement that the Tea Partiers "do not represent Utah." Could you
clarify what part of the Tea Party message you are talking about?Last time I checked the Tea Party is for smaller, efficient government and
Utah_1Salt Lake City, UTthe utah legislator is not reflective
of lawmaking on a national level. Pretty much everything passes if you
are republican.It like having a ballot with one name
Time to bring Hatch home. His fiscal policy has only added to the mess that we
are now in.Make no mistake about it: Our debt problems are directly
due to Hatch's voting record.Hatch allowed government to put us
in 16T+ debt. There is no doubt about it. Bring him home.
Johnny TriumphDan Liljenquist would at least try to get the right things
done unlike Hatch who HAS served with Obama.p.s. that was a nice try
at a distorted scenario though. Would the average person consider that
What a joke. This mock debate is a foolish stunt for publicity and it speaks
volumes about the kind of person Liljenquist really is. I'm not a
frightened "older citizen," but an informed younger voter who is fed up
with the vitriol from the far right element of the Utah GOP. After this mockery
I certainly won't vote for Dan. The last thing Utah needs is another rookie
senator pulling silly stunts just to get face time on Fox News. My vote goes to
Hatch – a respected senior senator with real clout on the Hill, where it
Johnny Triumph hit the nail on the head.We need Hatch in there win
Politicians with seniority are the most likely ones to NOT get anything done.
The importance of seniority is a lie perpetuated by those with seniority. It would be interesting for someone to do a study showing the
productivity of a politician relative to their time in office. I suspect it
would be quite revealing.
Can you imagine the work that will get done with President Romney and Chairman
of the Senate Finance Committee Hatch? Holy cow, that'll be great to be a
part of. Now imagine a Liljenquist and Obama run at things...not rosy at all.
The 1976 Orrin Hatch would oppose the 2012 Orrin Hatch.
I feel as though Orrin Hatch has been in Congress, oversaw and participated in
America's considerable worsening; national debt,over-regulation of small
business,under-regulation of banks and the mortgage industry, health care. .
.and the issues continue. If Orrin hasn't been effective in speaking
against this downfall and making a difference, it's time for someone else
to give it a go.
Here's what I think it sad about last night: Here you have a candidate
complaining because the incumbent won't debate him, and to prove his point
(one week before he's scheduled to debate this opponent) he holds a mock
"debate" using clips from the previous two times he debates the man -
both only a few weeks ago!This was the most brainless stunt I'd
ever seen and it was a total flop!
Thanks goatsnotes for commenting! When I watch the TV ad, where Hatch has a
close up and is reading the tele-prompter, I am startled by the tiredness I see
in his eyes and the semi-confusion and halting quality of his voice. Watch and
see if you agree. To me, the man appears to be feeling everyone of his 78+
years. I wish he had decided to "hang it up" last year, instead of
putting himself through such a grueling and emotionally taxing quest for
re-nomination and re-election. I would have so much preferred, if Hatch had
last year thanked the people of Utah for allowing him to be their Senator for
the past 35 years, and made a graceful exit. He would have ended a
distinguished career with congratulations and warm wishes.Instead,
EGO and POWER got in the way! Now, the die has been cast for defeat. I'm
sad that instead of Hatch ending on a "high", it has come to this. Dan
Liljenquist is the right man at this time to do a superb job for Utah in the US
Senate. I feel "blessed" that Dan will be representing Utah. Good
I'm "pretty sure" Pres. Romney will do okay WITHOUT Orrin Hatch
when he takes office.Also, I think it would be nice if the Senator
from Utah actually lived in Utah. Hatch doesn't seem to like living around
@MPeace "you can send an email easily to Hatch" you can--you'll
just get back a canned response, sent by his office staff (read: secretary).
Liljenquist isn't the only candidate who is calling for Hatch to debate
Liljenquist. After last night's "debate," Democrat candidate
Scott Howell was interviewed by the media. Howell stated flatly that Hatch
should have been there last night and that he (Hatch) is arrogant for not
showing up and for not debating Liljenquist. I'm not a Howell supporter,
but I was impressed that he too would call out Hatch for refusing to participate
in Republican primary debates.
Lifelong Republican, I don't even know Dan personally and I'm not
involved in the campaign. I'm just a concerned citizen who cares about our
Thank You Liljenquist for holding the debate despite Hatch's refusal. This
alone should make people want Hatch out. He doesn't own the office. He is
not entitled to it. I agree more of this debate should be published so the state
can see the difference between the two since he won't debate. Hatch
doesn't reply to emails. He spends his time making friends with Palin and
Romney to get them to endorse him but can't email the common folk. Look at his record. We don't need him in office spending our money. He
was conservative but no longer is he. What is wrong with Utah that we are too
lazy to even look at someones record. I think people are so involved in church
callings that they don't have time for politics. I know very few members
that even know what's going on in the country. Most just say well Romney
wants him or he'll be head of the finance committee. He's said that
everytime and has that helped us? Yes,he has experience but it's experience
doing the wrong things for our country.
After doing some research I've found Dan to have a fantastic record on
entitlement reform in Utah. He even eliminated his own pension and now states he
won't take a federal pension. We need more leaders who will put their money
where their mouth is. I urge Utahns to be an educated voters and
look at both candidates and then go listen to them in person and find out who
the real leader is between the two. I've made up my mind, it's Dan!
Looks like Liljenquist got his internet crew together to comment on any article
about him. Too bad the voters are seeing right through his charades. Mostly I am just glad to have him out of the state legislature.
I like Liljenquist and don't think of him as a tea party person, which
I'm not either. Seems like a brilliant, reasonable fellow. Also, this
Deseret News article was superficial. It should have mentioned more the points
of the "debate" so the readers would have something to judge.
I agree with the comment that the seat is not Hatch's. I disagree that
Liljenquist is the person to replace Hatch. Liljenquist is a Mike copy and that
is bad for Utah and it's bad for the nation. Liljenquist is not the race
for the senate for the country, he's in it for himself and the right wing
tea partiers. He and they do not represent Utah. The Governor may have signed
off on Liljenquist's bills but only becuse Utah politics have been high
jacked. Vote hatch this term and lets find someone who is worth of Utah's
support to replace him the next go around. Let's also find a replacement
for Lee while we are at it. We need representatives who will actually work
together and not shut down conversation.
I'm voting for Dan Liljenquist!But, I agree with Hatch 100%.
At least the 1976 Orrin Hatch, who demanded eight (EIGHT!) televised
debates with the incumbent. And, As Hatch said then "What do you call a
Senator who has been in Wahsington for 18 years? You call him home!" Since
18 years is only half as long as Hatch has been living in Washington (not Utah),
he is doubly right on the need to call home career Washingotn politicians.Hatch wants to continue his lifetime career of power and prestige and
oratory.Liljenquist wants to fix our country's problems.I will be proud to vote for Liljenquist in the primary, and the general
Emails replies from Hatch? No. I've tried that and what you get in return
is a pre-recorded, canned message tidbit prepared by one of his many staffers.
Most don't even come close to answering the question or addressing the
issue you've raised.The best replacement for Hatch is not
Liljenquist. It's Scott Howell.
Hatch has been persuasive to the older citizens in Utah. He has convinced them
Mitt Romney needs him, and can't live without him as the presumptive chair
of Senate Finance. The argument is deeply flawed. I sincerely hope
the Senate will return to Republican control but it is by no means a surety. Even if Hatch is not re-elected Mike Crapo (R-ID, also a Mormon) would
be an acceptable replacement for Hatch with whom Romney would a fabulous working
relationship. All of THAT assumes Romney is elected president, also not a lock,
though I hope it becomes reality.Politicians must manufacture a meme
that makes sense. This year, however, Orrin Hatch's reasoning
is deeply flawed because all of it diminishes the fact of his advancing age (78,
84 at the end of this next term if re-elected). Couple that with his arrogance
in assuming Utah, the nation and the world will not survive without his
leadership and you have a deeply flawed argument. The seat is not
Hatch's.I am stridently opposed to the entitlement mentality
wherever I find it. I find it particularly appalling in Hatch.Dan Liljenquist is his worthy successor.
Last Utah General Legislative Session for 2011, I remember seeing bill after
bill sponsored by Sen. Dan Liljenquist pass the house. I was amazed at the
respect he and the bills had. I was amazed at how both republicans and democrats
voted for them.For example, his 2011 SB 180 Medicaid Reform bill
passed both houses with no votes against it from either party and was signed by
the Governor.With at least 7 bills, both the house and senate, both
republicans and democrats all voted for the reforms Senator Dan Liljenquist
proposed. In all, 9 of his bills were signed by the Governor.We need
that in Washington DC. These are the same areas that are bankrupting our nation.
Again, we need Dan Liljenquist in Washington DC. Yes, we have a US Senator with
35 years of seniority, but remember that in 2011, Senator Dan Liljenquist was
still in his first 4 year term. He did it without seniority.
What the article fails to mention is that Scott Howell showed up to offer to
debate Dan if he wanted a real debate. As you can guess, he didn't accept
It's high time for change everywhere in Washington, including Hatch's
seat in the Senate. Dan would help restore some kind of sanity back to this
nation. Hatch's seniority is meaningless doing the wrong thing for
America. Dan has my vote and support.
Liljenquist made a mockery of himself, and showed that he is just one more crass
It would had been nice to have an Honest, Intelligent debate Mr. Hatch! But you
go ahead and hide behind the skirts of your incumbency. Utah deserves Better!!!
By the way what are you so afraid of?
Liljenquist lost all credibility with Utah voters when he attacked our teachers
and wiped out their retirement system. Of all the places he could
have found more money for the state, the backs of the teachers wasn't the
Here's the secret that those who have not yet heard Dan speak do not know:
the man is impressive. We attended his Tuesday Farmington event. Even though it
was cold and rainy the place was full of voters who wanted to meet Dan, hear his
ideas and learn about his accomplishments. We came away more convinced than ever
that we NEED Dan Liljenquist in the Senate! Where else will you find someone who
forged an alliance with all the stakeholders to accomplish both State pension
reform and Medicaid reform, thus rescuing the state budget from a catastrophe.
Utah became the FIRST STATE IN THE NATION to tackle these ticklish issues and
get it done! Senator Liljenquist was then asked to assist 40 other states to do
the same. No one in the country comes close to Dan's level of experience
and street smarts in entitlement reform. Let's put him to work at the
federal level to accomplish what he's done for the states!
Excellent idea, well thought out, and it was very informative and sent a
message. It's time to retire Senator Hatch and let someone who has a
history of cutting entitlements into office.Dan is running on
cutting entitlements, and his first step is removing the most entitled
individual in the Senate.
This was a great "debate." Dan Liljenquist was once again on top of
his game tonight, and his heartfelt passion, his deep understanding of the
problems, and his real-life ability to help straighten out Washington were very
evident at this event.I'm firmly convinced that if Sen.
Hatch's lineup of "endorsers" had been present at this event, the
vast majority (if not all) of them would have said, "Whoa, maybe I was too
hasty. I think THIS guy (Liljenquist) is the right one. And he'll be
able to hit the ground running."
Hatch is easily available if you have a question -through Email.
It is easy to get a message from Hatch. Give him an E-mail and you will get a
response. If Dan is elected, he most likely will raise the Debt ceiling
also, as Obama won't have improved anything except putting the country more
in debt, if re-elected, and a new debt ceiling will be needed or the Federal
Government will stop functioning once more. If anyone has a question
-just Email Hatch. -Don't try Obama though - as you will never get any
response at all. Does Dan have things set up to respond to all of your
questions immediately after he is elected? Mike Lee did not for a long while.
Likely the same for Dan. Hatch does.
This is the mockery: That a US Senator elected BY the people won't answer
TO the people in FRONT of the people. I am appalled by the arrogance.Great Great Job! Dan!This was clever, well-executed, well-attended
and allowed many folks to see the Change that we need in Washington.
I applaud Dan Liljenquist's efforts to get the Utah senior Senator to face
his constituency prior to the Utah primary election in a meaningful debate.
Hatch's refusal to engage in debates with his opponent smacks of arrogance
and entitlement. Why should Utahns give a 7th unprecedented term of office to a
man who is in official seclusion and avoidance???If Hatch denies his
electorate in June 2012 the opportunity of hearing from him, what will his
attitude be in January 2013? In this case, "You can judge a book by its
cover!"I think Hatch's choice to be "conveniently
unavailable" to debates is unfortunate. In a job opening there is usually
an interview. How come in 2012, for the job of Utah Senator, there are two
Republican applicants and ONLY one wants to interview???
I went in undecided and came out a Dan supporter. It's a shame Orrin Hatch
won't even come out of hiding to talk with Utahns about his next 6 years.
Dan will be a great leader for this state!
In January he can set up a mock office in a mock DC as a mock senator. What a
"Mock debate" was right. Liljenquist mocked himself. The idea was
foolish. No way he could win with this one. And... the only people in the
audience would be his supporters. Which was merciful for him.