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'God heard our prayers,' says Utah woman granted one-year deportation reprieve, along with 2 sisters

'God heard our prayers,' one sister says

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  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 7, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    Moral of the story: Get yourself on the news and you are no longer subject to the law. Maybe I'll try this after my next home invasion robbery...

  • Ms Molli Bountiful, Utah
    June 7, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    Will the State Attorney General please explain how he was able to state in writing that these women are "law abiding and employed"? I'm sure the rest of the people in this State who are working illegally would like to know how these sisters are managing to do this.

    I expect we will see a similar story about these same women in oh about 350 days from now.

  • Observation-ist Ogden, UT
    June 7, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    Silly me. I thought a Utah Attorney General would have more spine and concern for the rule of law than the Federal Justice Department. Seems like AG Shurtleff has been drinking the AG Holder punch too long.

    Please stop referring to illegal immigrants as 'law abiding citizens'. That simply promotes the notion that violating US immigration laws is no big deal and should be tolerated. It is a big deal. This country pays a significant price in our education system, our health system, and in every other public service when illegal immigrants consume resources without carrying their fair share.

    I'll wonder out loud (since I won't and shouldn't know their membership standing) if they could sit in an interview with their ecclesiastical leader and affirm they are 'honest' in their dealings with their fellow man. Thank goodness I'm not in that leadership position.

    I'm still wondering how the could be gainfully employed and pay taxes.

  • Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2012 12:48 p.m.

    @observationist
    They could have an ITIN (immigrant tax identification number) which is a SSN alternative for foreigners to pay taxes for working in the US.

  • Ali999 Lansing, MI
    June 7, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    Noodlekaboodle, it doesn't matter if they have an ITIN or not. It's still illegal for them to work in this country. And if they got the job and the employer required them to fill out the proper paperwork, i.e. I-9's, then they needed to attest that they were legally allowed to work. Having an ITIN doesn't give you a right to work or anything else. It's simply a number you use to file for taxes. You might also note that illegal aliens who use ITINs have been doing so mainly because they're able to money from additional child tax credit, even for children who are not in this country. The US Treasury paid out $4.2 billion to illegal aliens who filed under ITINs last year.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    June 7, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    This is not Right! When will the American people stand up and demand that the Illegal problem be fixed?

  • justcap Provo, UT
    June 7, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    I'm glad they were given the one year reprieve. They aren't criminals just because their parents brought them here when they were little children. This is their home and their country. It makes me sad that people would treat fellow human beings so poorly. I hope they and others in their same situation are eventually granted citizenship. We need to change our immigration laws to be more humane and to face the realities of our day.
    I hope we see more stories like this one. I applaud all those involved.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 7, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    This whole scenario is so wrong on so many different levels.

    Why didn't ICE deport them back in '10 when they had custody of them?

    Why does Shurtleff want lawbreakers to stay in the state of Utah?

    Why does ICE pay any attention to Shurtleff when he wants to KEEP lawbreakers here, but they DON'T pay any attention to us, (the taxpayers) when we ask that laws get enforced?

    Politicizing law enforcement is a very dangerous road to travel. I wonder if ICE is making these absurd decisions by themselves or do they have "marching orders" from above?

    These lawbreakers meet none of the conditions set forth in the article as being subject to "re-evaluation".

    Utahs politicians have, yet again, IGNORED the legal residents of Utah in advocating for law-breakers!

    Illegal aliens cost Utah taxpayers 400million per year and Shurtleff knows it. Its NOT a "victimless" crime!

  • Ali999 Lansing, MI
    June 7, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    ustcap

    -----------------------They weren't that little, and they were adults when they violated the deportation order along with their parents. They also knew they'd been ordered deported at the time they had kids. Yes, it's sad that people treat others so poorly---that illegal aliens think they have a right to come to this country, break its laws, take jobs from Americans, and use benefits and services they don't pay for.
    The blessing here is that this reprieve does not get them a route to legal status. It instead puts them in limbo--and if we get a new President, they may find themselves out of here in less than year.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    June 7, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    Noodlekaboodle,

    I highly doubt that. They were saying that they didn't know they were illegal in this country. If they had these numbers, they would know that's for Non-citizens and would therefore know they were illegal. Since they didn't have these numbers, they must have had a SSN. And, not being citizens, it had to be a real citizens's SSN.
    So, they are either lying, or they are ID thieves. No matter which way they or you try to spin it, they are breaking the law and either need to be deported or thrown in jail.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    June 7, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    Getting cheap illegal labor, 3 people at a time.

    The children became felons at 18.5 years of age, as they were under deportation orders and continued their flight from justice. A felon, according to our law is not eligible for citizenship.

    With the Supreme court decision coming up, their year will be bittersweet, I am afraid. These are the people Obama said he would deport, felons.

  • Ender Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2012 3:12 p.m.

    Whoohooo!!!! So happy for these wonderful contributing members of our community. I hope they find a means of becoming citizens.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2012 3:50 p.m.

    This is a terrible day for those little kids. This is because they were taught today that lying and cheating pays.

    They also were taught, falsely, indirectly, by their LDS parents (purposely situating the press conference in front of the temple) and LDS Mark Shurtleff, that the LDS Church does not believe in telling the truth, being honest in your dealings with your fellow man, nor in honoring, obeying, and sustaining the law.

    Those who rationalize endorsing and looking the other way at lawlessness in the name of compassion are calling evil good and good evil (Isaiah 5:20). Shame on them.

  • Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    @1Conservative
    Source please. I can't find anywhere that says illegals cost 400 million a year.
    @Ali999
    Um, so your saying a kids ages 7-15 are old enough to live on their own? Clearly you don't have kids. Also, do you truly think it is feasible to "round up the Mexicans" because that is what your proposing and it's not realistic in a cost/benefit sense. I mean COULD we "round up all the Mexicans" probably, but it would cost more than it costs us. Just pull the license of any business(including the big guys that you repubs love) if they don't use e-verify for every employee. Look at the data, after the job market crashed net immigration is 0. Illegals are coming here for jobs, not because they love America. Cut them out of the market and the problem goes away. But neither party will ever do it because they are both in the pocket of big buisness.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    June 7, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    re: justcap

    Sure are glad you can operate on what you " feel" and stick your head in the sand about all the other ugly realities that are caused by illlegals in our country.

    You may want the laws changed but until they are they should be enforced. These ladies seem nice.

    Personally I happen to be a formerly Canadian citizen and I scratch my head why I went through years of fees, applicalications, fingerprints, interviews, and more fees to become a legal citizen when I could have just leeched off the US forever!!

    Oh ya, I know why I did it...because I did not feel good about breaking the law and freeloading!!!

    All these people need to follow the same process I did for getting into the country legally. It is not fair for one person to have to ENDURE the process and then give a pass to others.

    It is ridiculous that we have government officials helping people to continue to break the law. These officials need to be gotten rid of.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    June 7, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    Cosr to deport 94 billion once. Yearly cost to America $113 billion. Cost to Utah over 400 million a year. The deportation number is from a study in 2007, (when more were here from the Department of homeland security. Wish I could post a link to the other two figures, but they don't allow links)

    The kids became adults when on the run, and responsible for their own actions.

    Did they all marry brothers? If married, why do they all have the same last name? Is information being with held?

  • hubbardesquire Alabaster, Alabama
    June 7, 2012 4:40 p.m.

    All illegals are breaking federal law and thus are "bad guys". Utah's attorney general should be impeached for aiding and abetting those who openly flaunt our laws. Is he not sworn to enforce the law? Ask Mexico's President if they allow illegals to stay one day longer in their country, much less one year longer. No, he would say we put them in jail and deport them.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    June 7, 2012 5:55 p.m.

    This is good news. Best wishes to these women and their families.

  • future president Logan, Utah
    June 7, 2012 6:21 p.m.

    Get real people, criminals?

    Trust me, I've met some real criminals in my life. These people are harmless. Don't tell me about how they are harming our education system and taking away jobs from Americans. Are you guys telling me that Americans are lining up to pick strawberries in the fields and work at Crown Burger? I know I'm not. These guys work the jobs nobody wants with joy and put some effort into it.

    Simple economics; they work and live here. Thus they spend their money here, buy cars and houses here. How can that be bad for the economy?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 7, 2012 7:21 p.m.

    Hooray!

    Both federal and state govbernments have announced a one year suspension on enforcing laws on folks who are "law abiding and employed" even if they are violating federal laws.

    I guess that means that every Utah citizen who does not want to pay taxes for 2012 has permission to ignore the tax laws for a year.

    If that is not the case, then how is that "fair" and why are some people getting preferential treatment when they break the law?

    Equal justice for all was a noble concept, but it has just been thrown out the courthouse window! How much longer can real U.S. citizens who are "law abiding and employed" put up with this sort of discrimination?

    AG Shurtleff is a tremendous disappointment, and I used to be a huge fan of his.

  • IdahoStranger NEWDALE, ID
    June 7, 2012 7:21 p.m.

    We need more facts regarding their cases:

    How old were they when they came here?
    What kind of jobs do they have?
    Do they really work picking strawberries?
    Who are their employers?
    How were they able to obtain a Social Security Number to work?
    Or did they use some other persons SSN?
    How did they obtain that SSN?
    If obtained illegally, did the sisters not know that it was "not right"?
    If so, what has been the consequences for that person, since someone else is using their SSN?
    Has that person found that they now have a credit history that they didn't make?
    Are they working in jobs that some unemployed US citizen might need to support his family?
    When they filed for taxes, did they claim Child Tax Credits and for how many children?
    Are all those children claimed actually living in their households?
    Did they not know when their visas expired?
    Drug dealers and other criminals also spend their money here, buy cars and houses here- is that good for our economy?
    There are many other questions that need to be answered before the public can rightfully petition in their behalf.
    Surely Deseret News will supply answers?

  • justcap Provo, UT
    June 7, 2012 7:41 p.m.

    @Ali999
    Don't worry. I don't have my head in the sand. I am very well aware of the statistics and the problems of illegal immigration. But lots of the problems aren't caused by the immigrants. Many of the problems attributed to immigrants really stem from our policies and laws (think welfare, etc.). And they haven't "stolen" a single job. They applied for a got a job. The only Americans "losing" their jobs to immigrants are those who don't want to work and would rather live off of welfare. Pull your own head out (of the sand).

    @Anti Government
    "You may want the laws changed but until they are they should be enforced." Generally I agree with you, but at times that produces "absurd results," and other times it just isn't right to wait (think Civil Rights era and American Revolution).
    Sorry it was so much trouble for you to become a citizen-that's not the Mexicans' fault. And it is downright near impossible for average Mexicans to get here legally. It's cake for Canadians to come here legally. Not so for the Mexicans.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    June 7, 2012 8:32 p.m.

    I've never read so many aloof comments in my life, as those that come from the supporters of illegal aliens. They care nothing about the victims of stolen identities, or fathers that have lost their jobs to someone here illegally, undercutting wages in his industry. The pain and suffering it's caused Americans is a shame.

    Are they criminals, yes. If not by entering illegally, then by committing felonies by working, and felons can't legally receive citizenship in this country. Laws should apply to everyone, if an American committed id theft, and lied on Federal forms, they would be in jail. Just this year the Supreme court ruled that legal immigrants that lie on taxes could be deported (before they earn citizenship). A person here illegally can lie about anything, and stay here.

    Applying laws unequal in immigration deportment is wrong. Rewarding those who are here longer, or have children is not a fair application of the law. It does however give work to the younger people here illegally, as they will be longer producers of cheap labor.
    Stealing $200 from a man, and giving it to the poor man down the street, is not moral.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    June 7, 2012 8:33 p.m.

    Alabama's unemployment rate fell from 9.3 percent in June when the immigration law passed, to 7.2 percent in April. Albertville, Alabama found out that Americans will take the jobs, as the local poultry industry found out. Black and white filled the jobs, increasing sales tax revenue increased 9.3 percent from October to April. Money that went over the border stayed home according the the towns mayor. We have been fed so many lies that we no longer complain when people tell us that illegal immigrants are not criminals.

    They never really gained everything unless Obama tries to pull a fast one if the Supreme court rules against him.

  • pharmacist South Jordan, UT
    June 7, 2012 8:36 p.m.

    The correct time for the girls to be law abiders was back when they were between 18 and 18.5 years old. They could have gone back by choice, then returned legally. I have a friend who did this, and he was back legally in just short of 11 months. These girls blew it.

  • Watch Dog Provo, UT
    June 7, 2012 9:35 p.m.

    Gee! A new plan. One to defer accountability. I wonder when the rest of us get to choose to break the law, and then defer the associated accountability for our crimes?

    After all, what's fair for one should be fair for all, right?

  • NotBuyingIt MIDVALE, UT
    June 8, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    This is a bunch of nonsense. These women are not law-abiding citizens. You cannot live in this country illegally without breaking laws on a regular basis. Secondly, how is it they have jobs? Who are their employers? They should be investigated for hiring illegals. Are they withholding taxes and sending them in to the government? Are they paying their matching portion of social security? Does Mark Shurtleff understand it is his job to enforce laws and NOT to make excuses for criminals? Perhaps he needs to be investigated too.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    June 8, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    This is nothing more than the Utah AG trying to collect votes from the minority groups in this State.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    June 8, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    @ClarkKent, news flash: the Utah AG isn't running for reelection.

  • Kami Bountiful, Utah
    June 8, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    Its interesting how people, even when they are law violators, believe that when they get what they wanted that God answered their prayers!!! How about taking a moment to consider the possibility that you may be doing exactly what the adversary has been tempting you to do for years now, instead of believing that God is behind your illegal behavior!

    Now watch for the influx of more illegals to this State. Heck you have a church that will support you, a State that will claim you are a law-abiding person, even if you are working illegally, and perhaps you may even have an AG that will buy you some more time before you are deported! And feel free to believe that God is behind all of it! Amazing ....

  • Hammi Huntington Beach, CA
    June 8, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    Makes complete sense to me that they should stay. Good luck to them. God bless them.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    June 8, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    For all you "believers" who are posting with such vehemence, apparently this is God's will!

  • SLars Provo, UT
    June 8, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    Maybe God never intervened,and left it in the hands of man.

  • 1Infidel APO, AE
    June 9, 2012 12:04 a.m.

    A letter passed to me for submission-
    Dear DN writer,
    I get so tickled when you refer to illegal immigrants as law abiding citizens. Slipping the word citizen in there, in print, where everyone can see it, makes it seem so true. You and I know it is a perversion of the language to use it so incorrectly, but hey, Kum-Buy-Yah, we know who will print it. Your cunning slipping and twisting of words in such fashion will rank you right up there with the lawyers they attempted to chastize back in Book of Mormon times. Keep it up - just like those who twist and try to change the meaning of marriage, the more fanaticism with which you repeat, incessantly, ranting and turning up the volume, flooding the print world with the new definitions, the more it will seem true. It won't really change truth, but if enough people like you feel it and believe it, we can make it true.

    Associates in perversity,

    Uncle Screwtape

  • Carson Provo, UT
    June 9, 2012 4:43 p.m.

    Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff needs to be voted out of office!

  • Zona Zone Mesa, AZ
    June 9, 2012 6:11 p.m.

    Has there ever been a bigger grandstander in Utah political history than Mark Shurtleff? If there's anything remotely positive that happens in the state, he will take credit. Just last week, my niece fell out of tree but was unharmed. Mark Shurtleff showed up and took credit.

  • Zona Zone Mesa, AZ
    June 9, 2012 6:15 p.m.

    Dear Future President,

    What you fail to understand is economics. Yes, I would not want to work at Crown Burger or picking strawberries AT THE RATE THOSE JOBS PAY. But since the illegal immigrants are willing to do that job, the employers have found someone to do the job at that rate. Because of this surplus of labor, the wages from burger flipper and strawberry picker are depressed. Then the wages of other jobs are similarly lowered because there remains more competition for those spots so employers can pay less. It's simple supply and demand. Really high school stuff here, Mr. Future President.

  • TheUndocumentedAmerican salt lake, UT
    June 14, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    Yay Yay Yay!!! I'm so happy for you Avelar sisters :) God bless you and your families. Thanks to everyone who helped make phone calls and signed their petitions.