'God heard our prayers,' one sister says
Yay Yay Yay!!! I'm so happy for you Avelar sisters :) God bless you and
your families. Thanks to everyone who helped make phone calls and signed their
Dear Future President,What you fail to understand is economics. Yes,
I would not want to work at Crown Burger or picking strawberries AT THE RATE
THOSE JOBS PAY. But since the illegal immigrants are willing to do that job, the
employers have found someone to do the job at that rate. Because of this surplus
of labor, the wages from burger flipper and strawberry picker are depressed.
Then the wages of other jobs are similarly lowered because there remains more
competition for those spots so employers can pay less. It's simple supply
and demand. Really high school stuff here, Mr. Future President.
Has there ever been a bigger grandstander in Utah political history than Mark
Shurtleff? If there's anything remotely positive that happens in the state,
he will take credit. Just last week, my niece fell out of tree but was unharmed.
Mark Shurtleff showed up and took credit.
Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff needs to be voted out of office!
A letter passed to me for submission-Dear DN writer,I get so tickled
when you refer to illegal immigrants as law abiding citizens. Slipping the word
citizen in there, in print, where everyone can see it, makes it seem so true.
You and I know it is a perversion of the language to use it so incorrectly, but
hey, Kum-Buy-Yah, we know who will print it. Your cunning slipping and twisting
of words in such fashion will rank you right up there with the lawyers they
attempted to chastize back in Book of Mormon times. Keep it up - just like those
who twist and try to change the meaning of marriage, the more fanaticism with
which you repeat, incessantly, ranting and turning up the volume, flooding the
print world with the new definitions, the more it will seem true. It won't
really change truth, but if enough people like you feel it and believe it, we
can make it true.Associates in perversity,Uncle
Maybe God never intervened,and left it in the hands of man.
For all you "believers" who are posting with such vehemence, apparently
this is God's will!
Makes complete sense to me that they should stay. Good luck to them. God bless
Its interesting how people, even when they are law violators, believe that when
they get what they wanted that God answered their prayers!!! How about taking a
moment to consider the possibility that you may be doing exactly what the
adversary has been tempting you to do for years now, instead of believing that
God is behind your illegal behavior!Now watch for the influx of more
illegals to this State. Heck you have a church that will support you, a State
that will claim you are a law-abiding person, even if you are working illegally,
and perhaps you may even have an AG that will buy you some more time before you
are deported! And feel free to believe that God is behind all of it! Amazing
@ClarkKent, news flash: the Utah AG isn't running for reelection.
This is nothing more than the Utah AG trying to collect votes from the minority
groups in this State.
This is a bunch of nonsense. These women are not law-abiding citizens. You
cannot live in this country illegally without breaking laws on a regular basis.
Secondly, how is it they have jobs? Who are their employers? They should be
investigated for hiring illegals. Are they withholding taxes and sending them in
to the government? Are they paying their matching portion of social security?
Does Mark Shurtleff understand it is his job to enforce laws and NOT to make
excuses for criminals? Perhaps he needs to be investigated too.
Gee! A new plan. One to defer accountability. I wonder when the rest of us
get to choose to break the law, and then defer the associated accountability for
our crimes?After all, what's fair for one should be fair for
The correct time for the girls to be law abiders was back when they were between
18 and 18.5 years old. They could have gone back by choice, then returned
legally. I have a friend who did this, and he was back legally in just short of
11 months. These girls blew it.
Alabama's unemployment rate fell from 9.3 percent in June when the
immigration law passed, to 7.2 percent in April. Albertville, Alabama found out
that Americans will take the jobs, as the local poultry industry found out.
Black and white filled the jobs, increasing sales tax revenue increased 9.3
percent from October to April. Money that went over the border stayed home
according the the towns mayor. We have been fed so many lies that we no longer
complain when people tell us that illegal immigrants are not criminals.
They never really gained everything unless Obama tries to pull a fast one
if the Supreme court rules against him.
I've never read so many aloof comments in my life, as those that come from
the supporters of illegal aliens. They care nothing about the victims of stolen
identities, or fathers that have lost their jobs to someone here illegally,
undercutting wages in his industry. The pain and suffering it's caused
Americans is a shame. Are they criminals, yes. If not by entering
illegally, then by committing felonies by working, and felons can't legally
receive citizenship in this country. Laws should apply to everyone, if an
American committed id theft, and lied on Federal forms, they would be in jail.
Just this year the Supreme court ruled that legal immigrants that lie on taxes
could be deported (before they earn citizenship). A person here illegally can
lie about anything, and stay here. Applying laws unequal in
immigration deportment is wrong. Rewarding those who are here longer, or have
children is not a fair application of the law. It does however give work to the
younger people here illegally, as they will be longer producers of cheap labor.
Stealing $200 from a man, and giving it to the poor man down the street,
is not moral.
@Ali999Don't worry. I don't have my head in the sand. I am very
well aware of the statistics and the problems of illegal immigration. But lots
of the problems aren't caused by the immigrants. Many of the problems
attributed to immigrants really stem from our policies and laws (think welfare,
etc.). And they haven't "stolen" a single job. They applied for a
got a job. The only Americans "losing" their jobs to immigrants are
those who don't want to work and would rather live off of welfare. Pull
your own head out (of the sand).@Anti Government"You may
want the laws changed but until they are they should be enforced." Generally
I agree with you, but at times that produces "absurd results," and other
times it just isn't right to wait (think Civil Rights era and American
Revolution).Sorry it was so much trouble for you to become a
citizen-that's not the Mexicans' fault. And it is downright near
impossible for average Mexicans to get here legally. It's cake for
Canadians to come here legally. Not so for the Mexicans.
We need more facts regarding their cases:How old were they when they
came here?What kind of jobs do they have? Do they really work
picking strawberries?Who are their employers?How were they able to
obtain a Social Security Number to work? Or did they use some other
persons SSN?How did they obtain that SSN? If obtained illegally,
did the sisters not know that it was "not right"?If so, what has
been the consequences for that person, since someone else is using their SSN?Has that person found that they now have a credit history that they
didn't make?Are they working in jobs that some unemployed US citizen
might need to support his family?When they filed for taxes, did they claim
Child Tax Credits and for how many children?Are all those children claimed
actually living in their households?Did they not know when their visas
expired?Drug dealers and other criminals also spend their money here, buy
cars and houses here- is that good for our economy?There are many other
questions that need to be answered before the public can rightfully petition in
their behalf. Surely Deseret News will supply answers?
Hooray!Both federal and state govbernments have announced a one year
suspension on enforcing laws on folks who are "law abiding and employed"
even if they are violating federal laws.I guess that means that
every Utah citizen who does not want to pay taxes for 2012 has permission to
ignore the tax laws for a year.If that is not the case, then how is
that "fair" and why are some people getting preferential treatment when
they break the law?Equal justice for all was a noble concept, but it
has just been thrown out the courthouse window! How much longer can real U.S.
citizens who are "law abiding and employed" put up with this sort of
discrimination?AG Shurtleff is a tremendous disappointment, and I
used to be a huge fan of his.
Get real people, criminals? Trust me, I've met some real
criminals in my life. These people are harmless. Don't tell me about how
they are harming our education system and taking away jobs from Americans. Are
you guys telling me that Americans are lining up to pick strawberries in the
fields and work at Crown Burger? I know I'm not. These guys work the jobs
nobody wants with joy and put some effort into it. Simple
economics; they work and live here. Thus they spend their money here, buy cars
and houses here. How can that be bad for the economy?
This is good news. Best wishes to these women and their families.
All illegals are breaking federal law and thus are "bad guys".
Utah's attorney general should be impeached for aiding and abetting those
who openly flaunt our laws. Is he not sworn to enforce the law? Ask
Mexico's President if they allow illegals to stay one day longer in their
country, much less one year longer. No, he would say we put them in jail and
Cosr to deport 94 billion once. Yearly cost to America $113 billion. Cost to
Utah over 400 million a year. The deportation number is from a study in 2007,
(when more were here from the Department of homeland security. Wish I could post
a link to the other two figures, but they don't allow links)The
kids became adults when on the run, and responsible for their own actions. Did they all marry brothers? If married, why do they all have the same
last name? Is information being with held?
re: justcapSure are glad you can operate on what you " feel"
and stick your head in the sand about all the other ugly realities that are
caused by illlegals in our country.You may want the laws changed but
until they are they should be enforced. These ladies seem nice.Personally I happen to be a formerly Canadian citizen and I scratch my head
why I went through years of fees, applicalications, fingerprints, interviews,
and more fees to become a legal citizen when I could have just leeched off the
US forever!!Oh ya, I know why I did it...because I did not feel good
about breaking the law and freeloading!!!All these people need to
follow the same process I did for getting into the country legally. It is not
fair for one person to have to ENDURE the process and then give a pass to
others.It is ridiculous that we have government officials helping
people to continue to break the law. These officials need to be gotten rid of.
@1ConservativeSource please. I can't find anywhere that says illegals
cost 400 million a year.@Ali999Um, so your saying a kids ages 7-15
are old enough to live on their own? Clearly you don't have kids. Also, do
you truly think it is feasible to "round up the Mexicans" because that
is what your proposing and it's not realistic in a cost/benefit sense. I
mean COULD we "round up all the Mexicans" probably, but it would cost
more than it costs us. Just pull the license of any business(including the big
guys that you repubs love) if they don't use e-verify for every employee.
Look at the data, after the job market crashed net immigration is 0. Illegals
are coming here for jobs, not because they love America. Cut them out of the
market and the problem goes away. But neither party will ever do it because they
are both in the pocket of big buisness.
This is a terrible day for those little kids. This is because they were taught
today that lying and cheating pays. They also were taught, falsely,
indirectly, by their LDS parents (purposely situating the press conference in
front of the temple) and LDS Mark Shurtleff, that the LDS Church does not
believe in telling the truth, being honest in your dealings with your fellow
man, nor in honoring, obeying, and sustaining the law. Those who
rationalize endorsing and looking the other way at lawlessness in the name of
compassion are calling evil good and good evil (Isaiah 5:20). Shame on them.
Whoohooo!!!! So happy for these wonderful contributing members of our community.
I hope they find a means of becoming citizens.
Getting cheap illegal labor, 3 people at a time. The children became
felons at 18.5 years of age, as they were under deportation orders and continued
their flight from justice. A felon, according to our law is not eligible for
citizenship. With the Supreme court decision coming up, their year
will be bittersweet, I am afraid. These are the people Obama said he would
Noodlekaboodle,I highly doubt that. They were saying that they
didn't know they were illegal in this country. If they had these numbers,
they would know that's for Non-citizens and would therefore know they were
illegal. Since they didn't have these numbers, they must have had a SSN.
And, not being citizens, it had to be a real citizens's SSN.So, they
are either lying, or they are ID thieves. No matter which way they or you try
to spin it, they are breaking the law and either need to be deported or thrown
ustcap-----------------------They weren't that little, and they
were adults when they violated the deportation order along with their parents.
They also knew they'd been ordered deported at the time they had kids.
Yes, it's sad that people treat others so poorly---that illegal aliens
think they have a right to come to this country, break its laws, take jobs from
Americans, and use benefits and services they don't pay for.The
blessing here is that this reprieve does not get them a route to legal status.
It instead puts them in limbo--and if we get a new President, they may find
themselves out of here in less than year.
This whole scenario is so wrong on so many different levels.Why
didn't ICE deport them back in '10 when they had custody of them?Why does Shurtleff want lawbreakers to stay in the state of Utah?Why does ICE pay any attention to Shurtleff when he wants to KEEP
lawbreakers here, but they DON'T pay any attention to us, (the taxpayers)
when we ask that laws get enforced?Politicizing law enforcement is a
very dangerous road to travel. I wonder if ICE is making these absurd decisions
by themselves or do they have "marching orders" from above?These lawbreakers meet none of the conditions set forth in the article as
being subject to "re-evaluation".Utahs politicians have, yet
again, IGNORED the legal residents of Utah in advocating for law-breakers!Illegal aliens cost Utah taxpayers 400million per year and Shurtleff
knows it. Its NOT a "victimless" crime!
I'm glad they were given the one year reprieve. They aren't criminals
just because their parents brought them here when they were little children.
This is their home and their country. It makes me sad that people would treat
fellow human beings so poorly. I hope they and others in their same situation
are eventually granted citizenship. We need to change our immigration laws to be
more humane and to face the realities of our day. I hope we see more
stories like this one. I applaud all those involved.
This is not Right! When will the American people stand up and demand that the
Illegal problem be fixed?
Noodlekaboodle, it doesn't matter if they have an ITIN or not. It's
still illegal for them to work in this country. And if they got the job and the
employer required them to fill out the proper paperwork, i.e. I-9's, then
they needed to attest that they were legally allowed to work. Having an ITIN
doesn't give you a right to work or anything else. It's simply a
number you use to file for taxes. You might also note that illegal aliens who
use ITINs have been doing so mainly because they're able to money from
additional child tax credit, even for children who are not in this country. The
US Treasury paid out $4.2 billion to illegal aliens who filed under ITINs last
@observationistThey could have an ITIN (immigrant tax identification
number) which is a SSN alternative for foreigners to pay taxes for working in
Silly me. I thought a Utah Attorney General would have more spine and concern
for the rule of law than the Federal Justice Department. Seems like AG
Shurtleff has been drinking the AG Holder punch too long.Please stop
referring to illegal immigrants as 'law abiding citizens'. That
simply promotes the notion that violating US immigration laws is no big deal and
should be tolerated. It is a big deal. This country pays a significant price
in our education system, our health system, and in every other public service
when illegal immigrants consume resources without carrying their fair share.
I'll wonder out loud (since I won't and shouldn't
know their membership standing) if they could sit in an interview with their
ecclesiastical leader and affirm they are 'honest' in their dealings
with their fellow man. Thank goodness I'm not in that leadership position.
I'm still wondering how the could be gainfully employed and
Will the State Attorney General please explain how he was able to state in
writing that these women are "law abiding and employed"? I'm sure
the rest of the people in this State who are working illegally would like to
know how these sisters are managing to do this.I expect we will see
a similar story about these same women in oh about 350 days from now.
Moral of the story: Get yourself on the news and you are no longer subject to
the law. Maybe I'll try this after my next home invasion robbery...