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Published: Thursday, June 7 2012 5:00 a.m. MDT

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Gramajane
OAKLEY, ID

How ironic it seems to me- that the article indicates lines between those Quoted of what makes LDS beliefs out side of the fold of Christ, when it appears the same limits are not used with others?
For instance-
1. believing other written works as scripture besides what is found in the Bible. Isn't the Apographa (sp?) accepted by some Christians and not by others ? ( LDS don't canonize it)
2. Don't many Christians understand from the Bible that Jesus' mother Mary, went on to be the mother of her husband Josephs
children - so Jesus had step brothers and sisters but the Catholics say she is still a virgin?
3. Look at what the Bible itself says that there were so many more things Jesus did that it is impossible to write them all, so why do many deny that he could have done what he said he was going to do -- in visiting "other sheep, not of this fold"? Is tre resurrected Christ limited to where he can visit on the Earth that he created ?
--- I'm glad I accept only Jesus Christ as the righteous judge of of our hearts, for wether LDS love/obey Him.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

When the election is over, if Romney loses, those on the left will be painted as anti-LDS.

The realities are that some of those on the right are as, or more anti LDS. This was easily seen during the run-up to the GOP nomination (and still continues)

There will be those who cite the poll saying that the Dems are less likely to vote for a Mormon, however, it is mainly because those on the left do not want religion as the main driving force for our president.

And, you gotta hand it to the LDS. They are as religious as it comes.

Bill Buckley
Idaho Falls, Idaho

Great article......it's nice to hear and see the tide move to the right with Mormonism. Perhaps having a Mormon President will calm the national view of our church a little. That would be nice for everybody!

cjb
Bountiful, UT

The Bible is the kind of book where one can stake out many different religious positions, some of them contradictory, yet all from the Bible. Try as I might, I can't find one LDS position that can't be backed up from the Bible.

The mistake mainstream Christianity makes is assuming that the doctrinal positions that they settled on (at the insistence of a Roman king) in the year 400 are necessarily correct. Where the Bible contradicts itself, often main stream Christianity often takes one postion and LDS will take an other. Prior to the year 400, Christians, due to the contradictory nature of so many scriptures were doctrinally very diverse.

I find it ironic, that Jesus himself would not pass the test of Christianity that main stream Christians use to exclude LDS from Christianity. A man came to Jesus and asked how he can enter to the Kingdom. Jesus then proceeded to ask him which of the various commandments he kept, finally Jesus said one thing you lack, sell all you have and give it to the poor. Notice Jesus didn't say, accept me as your Savior and then all is well?

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

""Making Mormons look bad helps others feel good," wrote J. Spencer Fluhman of the BYU History Department..."

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Persecution anyone?

Rikitikitavi
Cardston, Alberta

Certainly there is one stark reality which must be faced by detractors of the LDS faith:that being the knowledge that all beings on the planet from it's very beginning are the same species. This includes God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, angels, as well as humans past , present, and future. Prior to our birth on the earth to mortal parents, we all were and are spirit off-spring of the same heavenly parents: God, the Eternal Father being Father of all spirits which quicken each mortal frame.

coleman51
Orem, UT

The author appears to have impressive academic credentials in his study of Mormonism. However, it is not coupled with the Holy Spirit. His take of the Book of Mormon as "dull" because it speaks too much of Christ entirely misses the point. Rather than talk too much of Christ, we define who He truly is. It would be well if the author reads again the Book of Mormon with a little more humility and faith. I doubt then he would find it "dull".

patjan
Flower Mound, TX

It is so true that the Book of Mormon is all about Jesus Christ. He is the central theme, but it is also a book of faith and hope in the saving grace of His Atonement. How anyone can read this book and not be moved is a mystery to me. The Book of Mormon changed my life. The Spirit of the Lord pours forth out of the pages of this book. It seems that a person would have to be determined to not feel it if he/she didn't. A secular mindset could cause this also. A person needs to read this book with real desire to know if it is true. I know that it is true because I have read it many times, have prayed about it many times and received many confirmations from the Holy Spirit. The Book of Mormon offers hope in God's deliverance from trials and adversity through Jesus Christ. By following its precepts, one feels a closeness with God and His Holy Spirit that strengthens them in their personal life.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

I have always believed and observed that LDS doctrine is an expression of the infinite grace of Christ more than any other Christian faith! Eternal progression is possible only because of the infinite grace of Jesus Christ! Salvation for the dead (temple work) and eternal families is possible only because of the infinite grace of Christ. I have observed that Jesus never restricted His grace, men and religions do that! This Mormon believes the atonement is truly infinite and is only restricted by our choices, not the Lord’s.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"the persecution comes from actually taking Christianity to a higher level. What really gripes our detractors is that we are not Christian, but that we are more Christain than they are!"

Keep up that attitude. That's gonna really help your cause.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

blah blah blah blah. I'm not sure why everyone can't just realize the semantics driving a wedge between the different christian sects are just semantics. Its silly.

tyndale1
Pullman, WA

I do not think it is possible to be "too Christian", whether that be a belief in Jesus Christ as the Promised Messiah, a transformation of character that leads one to always be concerned with blessing lives other than his own, or spending time each day to study the words of prophets of an earlier age. Our problem as a species has always been that we are not Christian enough. We could use more true Christianity in this world.

It is refreshing, in a way, to see an academic external to this faith classify The Book of Mormon as being all about Jesus Christ, especially in light of the books repeated declaration of being "to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations" and that "the fulness of mine intent is that I may persuade men to come unto the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, and be saved."

ClarkKent
Bountiful, Utah

"Making Mormons look bad helps others feel good," wrote J. Spencer Fluhman of the BYU History Department in an article published in the New York Times.

Interesting choice of words from a BYU Professor, considering that the LDS church preaches that it is the ONLY true church on the planet, which, of course, makes all other churches look "bad".

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Those on the right are anti-LDS, those on the left are generally anti-religion. The left doesn't care that Romney is LDS, it's religion in general they don't take literally.

Christians don't see LDS as Christian because the church added to the requirements for heaven: temple marriage and attendance, works, tithes, etc. The New Testament says for salvation one must accept Jesus, it doesn't add other requirements. That is why Christians don't view LDS as being Christian, just accepting Jesus isn't enough.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

Before Mormons feel persecuted by reading the Deseret News about what Christian leaders say about Mormonism; or watching MSNBC or Bill Maher; please remember this...

These are the outsiders. "Mormons are not Christian" is certainly not the normal consensus of most mainstream Christians in America.

snowman
Provo, UT

Well "DUH" The cover of the Book of Mormon says that it is another testament of Jesus.

Ernest T. Bass: The church didn't add anything to the requirements for heaven. Those requirements that you mentioned are all over the scriptures.

Jared
Average, SE

Re: ClarkKent

Mormons don't try to make other religions people look bad. We accept all truth and all good, regardless the source. That The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true church does not diminish the good of other churches and it certainly does not mean they are bad (it is a misunderstand of LDS scripture to believe so). Now I know that some church members at times are less judicious in their choice of words and their actions than they should be towards other religions but thankfully that trend has been squashed by LDS Church leadership.

Further, Mormons do not derive pleasure from making others feel or look bad (I know a few church members do but they do so in opposition to church teachings). We don't even talk about other churches (anymore - there used to be more of it but we'd never have classes on what Catholics believe or what Baptists believe and so forth). There is so much richness to the doctrine of Christ and so much to learn that there is not time to worry about what other people believe (unless they are teaching falsehoods about Mormonism).

sharrona
layton, UT

Re: cjb I can't find one LDS position that can't be backed up from the Bible.

Mormon view: Mormonism declares there are 3 Gods in the godhead. God was once a man like us before he became a God. God the Father has a body of flesh and bones.

Christian view(Catholic,Protestant): God has always been God, There is only one God(Triune). God does not change. God the Father does not have a body of flesh and bones.

Mormon view; Jesus is our elder brother. Lucifer is the brother of Jesus. Jesus is the firstborn spirit child of the Father. Christ gained exaltation (became a God),All men were born sons of God in the spirit. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.

Christian view(Catholic,Protestant): Jesus created angels including Lucifer. Jesus has always been God(Aseity), Jesus was a miraculous conception; a virgin(unique miracle)gave birth by the power of the Holy Spirit. The Jesus of Mormonism was born at Jerusalem. The Jesus of the Bible was born in Bethlehem.

The Holy Spirit/Ghost, same Greek word(Pneuma) .

cval
Hyde Park, UT

Ernest T. Bass wrote:

Christians don't see LDS as Christian because the church added to the requirements for heaven: temple marriage and attendance, works, tithes, etc. The New Testament says for salvation one must accept Jesus, it doesn't add other requirements. That is why Christians don't view LDS as being Christian, just accepting Jesus isn't enough.

ETB: You make an interesting point about adding to the requirements for salvation...

I would suggest that a person who truly believes and accepts Christ will follow him by doing the good works you speak of. The person who claims Faith in Jesus Christ but then does not demonstrate that Faith by the life they live, demonstrates that their belief is in word only, and lacks the power of salvation.

I see no real difference between the traditional Christian, and LDS views that it is Faith and the Grace of Jesus Christ that saves. The difference is that Faith claimed, but not demonstrated by life choices lacks the power to save. Not perfect, but continually trying to show my Faith by how I live.
The two views are just not as far apart as many would have us believe.

Just an Observer
Salt Lake City, UT

One major thing that sticks out to me in the New Testament that doesn't seem to be addressed by those of other faiths calling themselves Christian, is that the Savior commanded those listening to him, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Supposedly it is blasphemous to think that we can become like God. But Christ apparently didn't think so. It makes a lot of sense to me, and goes right along with God creating man in His image. When we have those quiet, introspective moments in life, I think most people recognize that they have potential far greater than what they are achieving. As much effort as there is in living the LDS religion, the belief in ultimately divine potential helps me to never stop trying to become an increasingly better person. On top of that, it is fantastic for raising children. What parent doesn't want their children to be the very best they can be? I'm guessing this is the same feeling our Father in Heaven has toward us.

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